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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 05:54 PM
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When did Clark, Kerry, Lieberman, Edwards, Kucinich, CMB, and Sharpton...
All pledge that every one of their supporters will support Dean if he's the nominee?

I'd like to know, since apparently it's a sin for Dean to admit the truth that some of his supporters won't all fall in lockstep behind the next democratic candidate if it isn't him, I'm sure the other candidates have pledged that all their supporters will get behind Dean if he wins, right?
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 05:56 PM
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1. I must have missed the news that night, too.
Edited on Mon Dec-29-03 05:56 PM by Padraig18
I'm too young for Alzheimer's, and I surely don't remember any of them saying that... :shrug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:02 PM
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:00 PM
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2. When Did The Media Ask Them About It?
This is what happens when media people ask questions of candidates.

Wasn't Dean answering a question by the media?

Let's ask the media why it hasn't asked the other campaigns. Why don't you ask the other campaigns.

Remember when Clark was asked about whether he'd be satisfied with VP -- and all the Dean supporters jumped all over his response?
Clark didn't volunteer the topic - he was answering a question.

But that didn't matter to some people - they wanted to know why Clark said anything. Why wasn't Clark silent on the matter. Why couldn't he have answered it differently....

Now Dean answered a question. Dean is free to answer questions as he sees fit. But he has to live with the answers he gives.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:05 PM
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6. I didn't slam Clark for his statement...
It seemd obvious that he's trying to focus on running for president, and that if he get's pegged as "Dean's VP" it would be hard for him to win.

I just don't see why Dean's getting berated for speaking facts. He can't possibly guarantee that his supporters will fall in line behind someone else, much less a typical washington politician.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:41 PM
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26. was he? what question was he asked?
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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:02 PM
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4. I missed that announcement as well.
I only saw one where Dean declared:

"If I don't win the nomination, where do you think those million and a half people, half a million on the Internet, where do you think they're going to go? I don't know where they're going to go. They're certainly not going to vote for a conventional Washington politician."

http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2003/12/28/dean/index.ht...
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:06 PM
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7. You edited that statement nicely, Myra.
Why don't you include the remainder of the quote where he says he will support the nominee and urge his supporters to do the same?
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:07 PM
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9. That wouldn't make Dean look as bad, though...
And that's just unacceptable.
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StephNW4Clark Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:03 PM
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5. Well my goodness...
...the arrogance knows no bounds.

Clark is the one candidate who specifically stated he wouldn't go negative on any of the Democratic candidates, and has kept his word.

He's asked his supporters to support him in the primary, but do everything they can to get Bush out of office. It's not too much of an intellectual leap to assume that means voting for the Democratic nominee.

But seeing as this is a Dean campaign - I'm guessing you need that written in blood, with a pledge of my first born child.

You wonder why there's so much venom between the campaigns...

And quite frankly, let's see the charity Dean has shown ALL Democrats. Those who may be more centrist have been labeled as belonging to the Republican wing of the Democratic Party, Al Gore tells us to stop supporting anyone else because Dean's polling at a whopping 16% of Democratic voters, and now Dean comes out with this statement.

Fine - assert that he means that his supporters won't just go with the Party. But (and this is giving him the MASSIVE benefit of the doubt) he meant it in the most innocent manner, at least get him to phrase comments better. **IF** he's the nominee, he's going to need to work on delivery of the message as well.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:10 PM
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10. Arrogance?
Stating that he'll fight for the democratic nominee, whoever it is, and urge his supporters to do the same is arrogance?

I don't know, maybe some of you guys don't realize that the Dean campaign is not the Borg and aren't full of mind-controlled zombies who will do Dean's bidding?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:07 PM
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8. How dare you try to turn the tables like that!
shocking and offensive! pshaw! double pshaw!
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:10 PM
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11. Emphasis on the word Try.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:12 PM
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12. none
and none have spoken about their supporters not supporting the nominee either.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:17 PM
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13. Right...
They just all refused to say Dean could beat Bush, and/or was weak on national security who shows "muddled" thinking, and flipflops, and is from the Gingrich wing of the democratic party.

Nothing so bad as to saying you don't know what your supporters will do, doubt they will all fall in line behind the democratic nominee, but will ask them to do so, anyway.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:23 PM
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16. What Does Their Refusal To Say Dean Could Beat Bush Have Any Relevance?
We are talking about the words that came out of Dean's mouth... and the implications of those words.

Why change the subject?
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:29 PM
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18. I was asking a question.
If you don't want to answer it, that's fine. But I thought it was relevent seeing as the board is being flooded by righteous indignation against Dean for answering a question honestly.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 07:00 PM
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31. That should be the conversation-stopper right there...
but, of course, it won't be.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:20 PM
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14. When Did They Make A Point Of Saying Their Supporters Would Or Would NOT
be transferrable?

Why in earth would Dean feel compelled to say such a thing except to use it as a veiled threat?
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:21 PM
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15. Because he was asked about it...
And has a grassroots organization the other campaigns can only dream about.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:24 PM
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17. Dean Was Asked If His Supporters Were Transferrable?
Link?
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:31 PM
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19. I assume he made these comments in a press conference of some kind
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/29/politics/campaigns/29...

Usually they ask the candidate questions and he responds.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:31 PM
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20. its more that they didn't threaten lack of support
not so easy to shake that gaffe or rather those gaffes off.

There is no place for threats in this.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:33 PM
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21. Can they guarantee all their supporters will go to someone else?
Why is this a controversy. Supporters of democratic candidates are mind-controlled robots, and I'm sure have different reasons for supporting who they support.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:45 PM
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28. no but they wont threaten non-support off the cuff
and they would say something more like I would encourage my supporters to join me in working hard for X.

As opposed to Dr Dean's phrasing.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:33 PM
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22. Find me a quote by any candidate saying THEIR votes were NOT
transferrable to a "Washington Insider" which BTW was the exact same rhetoric George Bush used to distinguish himself.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:37 PM
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23. I can't really... but...
Why would any of their supporters back Dean if he's "weak on national security", "displays muddled thinking", "wants to raise your taxes", is a "rookie" who is out of the "mainstream", etc... ?

Is that encouraging support for Dean if he's the eventual nominee?

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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:38 PM
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24. Distinguishing bonafide differences isn't the same as sending code talk
to your supporter not to vote for those that beat you.


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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:40 PM
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25. It wasn't code talk... it was straight talk...
Dean can't guarantee that his supporters will flock to another candidate. That's just the simple truth.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:43 PM
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27. They know that, killbotfactory.
They're just grasping at straws...
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:58 PM
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30. With all due respect, I am not grasping
I really think the ugliness and divisiveness coming from ALL the frontrunners is to OUR (that equal YOURS AND MY) detriment.

I have some criticisms of Dean as I do other candidates..I am NOT committed to a candidate as of yet and will gladly vote for Dean if he gets the nod.

So please don't group me in with anyone other than myself.

I stand by my sentiment that he IS attempting to threaten with this statement that he has now made on more than one occasion.

If he is SO FUCKING INSPIRING, then I suspect he can inspire to vote for the eventual candidate should it NOT be him, as can ALL of the candidates.
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clarknyc Donating Member (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:46 PM
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29. No candidate can
Dean can't guarantee that his supporters will flock to another candidate.

Or can they? Talk about marching in lockstep!
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 07:18 PM
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34. Union International's
Tell the troops who to vote for, but knows some won't. Dean has brought lots of new voters in because he is different. Who kmows what they will do if it is not Dean. If you want to return the party to the days when big money did not control both partys, you might want to listen to Dean. These new voters are for him because they can see a real difference worth voting for. I am an old voter who always votes and I see the difference also. I have been waiting since they killed Bobby Kennedy for this kind of difference. He is here! It is Dr. Dean!
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 07:02 PM
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32. i dont know why dean supporters wouldnt vote dem if he doesnt
get the ticket becausehe is allready shown himself to be a business as usual dem if people are willin to compromise for him why wouldnt they compromise for another business as usual dem(not saying its bad or good)
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 07:10 PM
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33. thats not really the point
this is nothing more than a threat that his 1.5 million supporters will be unavailable if he doesn't get his way.

Now that I see that, who cares. The swing voters will flock to Edwards is far greater numbers anyway.

And you are right to assume that Dr Dean's supporters will pull the "D" lever despite his threats.
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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:53 AM
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35. They don't need to make threats?
eom

TWL
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