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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 03:20 PM
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Kucinich does not have what it takes to be president
Dennis Kucinich is too honest, too smart and he understands the issues too well to be president.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 03:23 PM
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1. His single biggest disqualifier
He didn't sign his soul on the dotted line to Exxon.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 03:25 PM
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2. If you changed "be" to "become", it might hold some water
If Dennis Kucinich was president of this land, it would be the best medicine that could possibly be prescribed for this fucked up warmongering world we live in.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 03:30 PM
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3. True, and all the more sad for it.
He refuses to pander to Big Corp. Therefore, he is unelectable.

What a tragic commentary on American politics.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 03:41 PM
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4. And then there's the big lack:
votes.

Unfortunate because I like him best for prez.
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hooraydems06 Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 03:42 PM
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5. Yeah, I agree...
... America will never elect someone like that to be president. I do hope that he runs for the Senate the next feasible opening in his state. The Senate certainly needs him there.
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Rydz777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 03:55 PM
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6. He'll not get the nomination, but he would make a great Speaker
of the House - and that should be within his grasp.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 04:04 PM
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7. So the nomination should be just handed to him?
If he can't get it on his own? How will he compete in the general election if he can't compete in the primaries?
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 04:09 PM
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8. Simple answer: he wouldn't be able to compete in the GE.
And he won't win the primary. The Kucinich "cult" around here is fascinating.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 04:10 PM
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9. Indeed.
If he can win, then he needs to show us. Whining isn't going to make it so.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 04:47 PM
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10. Cult?
Sheesh.

Just because we have a candidate we can support over & above the others, we are labeled a "cult"?

:eyes:


The reaction to those who speak out in support to Kucinich is actually rather fascinating IMO.
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rjones2818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 04:57 PM
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11. Better to support the candidate that has
beliefs closest to my own than to vote for someone who doesn't.

It's something the Edwards cultists, the Obama cultists, the Clinton cultists, the Biden cultists, the Dodd Cultists, the Richardson cultists can't understand apparently. Obviously, Mike Gravel's cultists understand it all to well.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 04:57 PM
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12. Yes. Posts like this make him out to be an infallible saint-like deity
Edited on Wed Dec-26-07 04:59 PM by PeaceNikki
It assumes that Kucinich is supposed to be the nominee, and if he isn't it's because people didn't fulfill their duty in supporting him.* And there is a pious sense of righteousness above anyone who supports anyone but him and laud forbid, have the audacity to ever CRITICIZE him.

It's a fascinating thing to watch, really.

*Quoted the great EP on this sentence.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:22 PM
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35. Oh the Irony
If you poll Democrats he is closest to the Democratic Ideal on most of the issues. If you poll most Americans their priorities line up with progressive issues. I cannot concieve of how some Democrats don't run from their and refuse to govern from there.

But as to the "assuming that Kucinich is supposed to be the nominee..." isn't that the strategy that Hillary has used her entire race so far? Don't bother with the issues, take as much money as you can, promise the Health Insurance lobbey whatever they desire, and act as though you are already the sainted candidate?

If there were even a tenth the posts that criticized Kucinich's policies, record, or politics as their were "You can't win" statements or worse still meaningless meanderings into bad ufo related nonsense, then maybe Kucinich supporters would be more "accepting of criticism."

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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 05:27 PM
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15.  The Kucinich cult is issue oriented.
It takes a personality cult to like Hillary and O'Bama , when her solutions often sound too Republican for progressives.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 05:32 PM
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17. Wow. See... that kind of piety makes me, an undecided decide who I DON'T want to side with.
That's cult-like to think your candidate is that far superior of all others. That supporting any other ANY other is traitorous to the US of A. :patriot:

You'd think he was the second coming of christ, for god's sake.

wow.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 05:57 PM
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24. If they support aspects of Romney health care plan
Edited on Wed Dec-26-07 05:59 PM by cyclezealot
they are traitorous. Same goes with their unconvincing history with unfair trade deals. Rhetoric might pass for lousy voting records for some. Not for others.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:47 AM
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28. It's not piety, it's asking for what you actually want, even if politics--
--which means you compromise on what you want, results in not getting it. Always ask for a pony, even if you'll eventually accept a kitten.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:18 AM
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29. It's piety when it's constantly shoved down our throats with the whole
"Supporting Kucinich is the ONLY noble choice. Anything and anyone else is a spit in the face of the constitution. NOBODY else is as pure as him. If you support ANYONE but DK, you're completely ignorant of politics, don't deserve a vote and a complete stooge to fall for the media's bullshit".

Yeah. That's piety.

Not saying you, necessarily... but the general vibe around here is that DK is the new JC.



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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:30 AM
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31. I don't believe anyone has compared Dennis to Jesus Christ.
But if Jesus were in Congress, His voting record would probably look a lot like Dennis Kucinich's O8)
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:35 AM
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32. Touche. All DK's anti-choice votes and all.
:thumbsup:

Thanks, but I'll look elsewhere.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:29 PM
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36. ISSUES
It is the issues.

Simple as that. What puzzles supporters of Kucinich is why, when most Americans and Democrats want universal single payer healthcare, that you guys would support candidates that want to add to the Insurance bureaucracy nightmare we already live with.

Or why when most Americans and Democrats want out of Iraq yesterday, we have front runners talking about a continued presence there, despite the fact that rationally we know it only enflames anger in the region agaisnt American and makes us considerably less safe.

Or perhaps why, when most Americans and Democrats are questioning free trade and the real world costs of these kinds of dealings, most of the front running Democrats give half answers or vauge platitudes about the immense benefits fo trade as though they were sock puppets of either Milton or Thomas Friedman.

I could go on for awhile.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:47 AM
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38. Except that nobody says that--anything I see on DU is about voting for what you really want
--at least in the primary. It is necessary to keep hammering away on the Kucinich issues or nothing will ever be done about them. That strategy worked great for Repubs--in 1956 Eisenhower said that any Republican who wanted to get rid of Social Security and other New Deal programs like it was stupid. But the conservatives kept yammering about it until 50 years later, even some Democrats favor privatization. Why is it that Dems are too gutless to do the same thing with issues that are actually popular?
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 05:05 PM
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13. It sounds like you dont really know how politics work in America?
If you are basing your vote on who the media promotes and advertises, you are a part of the group destroying our country. If polls and media coverage are the issues we are all voting on, we are in for a rough ride. There isn't anything more important than Americans organizing and getting a voice for the people in office or our country will continue its fast pace to destruction. There are too many important issues like the constitution that should out way the word electable.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 05:11 PM
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14. This is exactly what I pointed out upthread. Are you implying that if one doesn't support DK that
They are some how dumb or ignorant of politics?

And further, that Dk is the only candidate capable of handling "important issues like the constitution"?

Cuz it kinda sounds like that's what you're saying.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 03:49 PM
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33. Not at all!
Obviously our perceptions of reality are completely different and I doubt that will change. I would however, suggest to search out a little more than what the television has to offer, there are many books, documentaries and such that have some valuable information that everyone should look into if they care about their country and the future of our children.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 05:52 PM
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23. So the primary system should be thrown out and we should just give Dennis the nomination?
If he can't get through the primary process, how will he get through the general?
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 03:53 PM
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34. I would suggest something a little more mature, your response...
sounds like we are back in school and talking about school politics? I think the obvious choice would be to stop allowing money to be the number one issue in selecting our presidents. I know that some of the candidates have been pushing for legislation to get the elections back into the peoples hands instead of the current money system that is in place and I guess welcome by some.

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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:30 PM
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37. Did you argue as vehemently...
Against the "Hillary is inevitable" campaign?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 05:29 PM
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16. I agree with your subject line...
But that is all...

He is singularly unqualified to be President...
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 05:35 PM
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18. But somehow a first-term Senator is
:shrug:
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 05:45 PM
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19. I'm no Obama fan...but
Obama has had more solid accomplishments in his two years as a U.S. Senator than Kucinich has the entire time he has been in Congress...
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 05:47 PM
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20. I wasn't talking about Obama
check your avatar
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 05:49 PM
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21. You said "first term Senator"
Hillary is not a first term Senator
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 05:51 PM
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22. Considering how much time she spends campaigning and not in the Senate
I'd say she is
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 06:13 PM
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25. you could say so, but it would'nt make it accurate
but then again, maybe accuracy isn't your thing.

Do your thing..
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 06:16 PM
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26. She's been after the job since November 3, 2004
Like most of them. You can't campaign full-time and do the job you're elected to do.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 11:35 PM
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27. You really aren't interested in factual accuracy, are you.
But I am, so here goes:

In the 110th Congress, Clinton has missed 23.3% of the votes,which is the best record of the four Democratic senators in the race: Obama and Dodd have missed 37.6 of the votes and Biden has missed 39.1 percent.

In the 109th Congress, Clinton missed only 2.5 percent of the votes (worse than Obama, better than Dodd and Biden).

In the 108th Congress, Clinton missed only 2.8 percent of the votes (worse than Dodd, better than Biden).

Maybe you should direct your criticism against Biden.

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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:27 AM
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30. Longer than that.
Her carpet-bagging move to NY had nothing to do with actually wanting to be a Senator from a state she had never lived in, and every thing to do with setting herself up to buy a presidential nomination.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 07:53 AM
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39. He's too naive, and, bluntly, too stupid to be president, IMO.
Read his Dept of Peace proposal on his site. He's the only Democrat I would not vote for if he was the Democratic nominee for president
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 11:11 AM
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40. Peace is stupid
http://supportcom.com/PEP/www.pepeace.org/tmpl/gandhi.h...

Look at the company Dennis keeps in receiving the Ghandi Peace award.
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