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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:48 PM
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Some of today's Chris Matthews journalism on MSNBC:
Hillary's quest for the Presidency is a "dark struggle to hold power".

"The picture is not pretty but it could very well be deadly." Obama's supporters, the "true believers", are "young and
idealistic at heart". Hillary's attempts to "smother the young Senator in his crib" are "dispiriting" to them.

After which, Tweety has the Clintonites as the Nazis trying to stop the Allies from landing on Normandy beach.

From there he went into constant repetition of his Hillary-as-baby-killer metaphor, constantly smothering and knifing helpless infants.


This is a typical night for Chris Matthews.

Fox is starting to look like a reputable journalistic organization in comparison to MSNBC, at least as regards the Clintons. He is absolutely psychotic in his hatred of them.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:50 PM
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1. He surely doesn't seem to care for her, at least tonight. Tomorrow, who knows?
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:52 PM
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33. Not really - it was a typical MSNBC Hardball show
Anyone who has watched the show over the last few months, even occasionally, knows. Today was just a little more banal than usual. Only the rhetoric changes, but the sentiment is always the same.

Matthews is their number one political host, and this is pretty much what he does in that prime-time slot every night of the week in one fashion or another. You won't find MSNBC treating anyone but the Clintons like that.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:44 PM
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36. I've been watching MSNBC and Hardball since before the 2000 election cycle..
well-acquainted with Matthews and his tactics. I've seen him go after plenty of people, and will never forget what he did to Al Gore.
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 12:07 AM
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38. Did Matthews go after Gore nasty?
With all of the dishonesty in the media echo chamber that is euphemistically called the 'conventional wisdom'? Brown suit, not his own man, serial exaggerator and liar, not comfortable in his own skin, etc? The sighs? I don't remember too much of his behavior in the 2000 election. There were so many in the media sneering at Gore back then - almost all of them - that my memory can't distinguish them. That was right before I gave up totally and permanently on the possibility of journalism ever being an honorable profession in any context.

Frankly, I've never been able to stand Matthews for long. From as far back as the 1990's I contributed a few reports on Matthews to the MWO board, and he was disgusting towards Clinton and the Democrats even back then. The few times I watched him in the 2004 election he infuriated me with his jackal-like attacks on Democrats. Tip O'Neill would be so disgusted at the man he's turned out to be. I've only started watching him once or twice a week over the last few months because of Hillary's campaign. I'm just about done with that too.

Was he one of the worst against Gore? I just don't remember. He has certainly been beyond despicable towards Hillary.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:25 PM
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43. Nope. I don't watch that stuff but I read a Media Matters release on it
Matthews slams against her having been going on for years. I don't see it as likely to change. Neither does MM.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:51 PM
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2. Tucker and Tweety were both sick pricks tonight - must be a new GE memo to staff
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:52 PM
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3. He just no said she isn't "man enough," unlike Obama.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:00 PM
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7. I heard that "not man enough" comment by Matthews. What an @#$%^&* !
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:52 PM
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4. But does she have "the one Ring", the ring of power?
It sounds like he's gotten all Lord of the Rings about this...
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:53 PM
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5. Don't forget that it was a slam against both Obama and Clinton
They used "Cocaine use" again and again, all the while decrying the use of the word by Clinton supporters. They painted Obama as a baby and Clinton as all powerful.

This was more propaganda against the democrats.

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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:59 PM
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6. I don't think it was really targeted at anyone but Hillary
To make someone as bad as they were trying to make her, into some kind of horrific infant murderer, somebody has to be a victim. Any deprecation of Obama was simply an incidental effect to his main goal of a murderous character assault on Hillary Clinton.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:07 PM
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8. you are correct. It was the worst I have ever seen.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 12:58 AM
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39. I was out tonight and didn't see him...THANK GOODNESS!
My husband used to love him and now he hates him as he has nothing
positive to say about Hillary. Everything out of his mouth is anti-Hillary. Some journalist he is! He sucks! And to think I used to like him!
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:11 PM
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9. Once, many years ago during Bill's presidency, he compared her to the Viet Cong.
I forget the exact reference or whatever stupid point he was trying to make, but the outrageous comparison always stuck with me.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:15 PM
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10. I don't know what's wrong with him,
it's a sickness of some kind. I wrote to KO though, dissing O'Rielly is fine with me, but MSNBC's got a few nutcases of their own.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:16 PM
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11. I'll believe it when I see the transcript... Matthews was reporting on Clintonian dirty tricks
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 08:16 PM by ClarkUSA
I watched most of it and everything he and his guests said was valid.

I don't recall him saying any of the things you're mentioning. Why is that?

Hmmm....
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:35 PM
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13. ...
"I watched most of it and everything he and his guests said was valid.

I don't recall him saying any of the things you're mentioning. Why is that?

Hmmm...."

Oh he certainly said it. It was right at the beginning of the show. I tivo'd it. Actually he said "strangle" instead of "smotehr" but other than that he said every word that the OP posted.

I'm a huge Chris Matthews fan, watch him everyday, I'm getting his new book "Life's A Campaign" for Christmas... but I was SHOCKED, and have been shocked all week at how evil and partisan he has been to Clinton. My mother who watched an episode several weeks back (before all this scandle started) says "wow he really hates Clinton doesn't he." She thought he was being unfair, and she hates Clinton and voted for Bush (ugh). I forget what he said on that episode that upset my mother... Still, it's odd, because a few episodes back Chris claimed that "in real life" Hillary was such a nice person behind closed doors, and then went on to continue to bash her. As if saying that he liked her "in real life" would make it okay to call her a baby killer during later episodes???
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:05 PM
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20. First post, backing me up. Thanks, and welcome.
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 09:06 PM by Tactical Progressive
He said "smother" too. He used the metaphor in a number of different ways, many times.

When I think of strangling, smothering and knifing babies, I don't think of Hillary.

I do now, however, think of Chris Matthews and MSNBC political punditry.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:57 PM
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27. I'll wait for the transcript and the context, which was his disapproval of Clinton's dirty tricks
Taken out of context, it seems like partisan whining wins the day at DU again.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:39 AM
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41. I posted a link to the damn video
All but one of the comments happened in less than 5 minutes of viewing. You owe the man an apology. The words are there and in the exact, precise, context he said they were.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:23 PM
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42. Transcript out yet?
nt
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:29 PM
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45. bwahahaha. When it comes to Edwards and Clinton there's only one word
for you: Vile. Make that two words: Unspeakably vile. Taken out of context?! :rofl:
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 11:27 AM
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50. Transcript out yet?
nt
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:41 PM
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15. Here is a link to the video
It took me all of 30 seconds to find it. I haven't listened to the whole thing but save for the Allies quote every single solitary word mentioned in the OP appears. Every single solitary word. Every single solitary word. You owe the OP a big fat apology.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22348253#22348253
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:57 PM
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17. Good question. Why don't you recall him saying what he clearly said?
nt
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:10 PM
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47. You must have the "selective hearing"
disease. The only cure is to wean yourself from the Chris Matthews habit by going cold turkey.

By doing this you'll find a new awareness in the world of addiction and spin. The fact that is does exist in the black hearts of a large number of Clinton detractors who call themselves journalists will come as an epiphany to voters mesmerized by their tactics.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:22 PM
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12. The first line is spot-on
Yay Tweety.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:31 PM
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23. really: your response offends me
His vitriolic hatred of a fellow Democrat is the most outrageous and egregious thing I have ever seen. And you applaud him. I never thought I would see the day that "progressives" allow the propaganda machine to attack US.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:06 PM
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29. The Clinton propaganda machine now attacks fellow Democrats
and what makes it really dark is that these people have already lived eight years in the White House. The sight of them taking time off from running up the score financially to scratch and claw their way back to power is the heart of darkness, not to say more than a little pathetic for the rulers and the ruled. Like watching Hillary all by her lonesome on the Xmas commercial, wrapping up little presents for us, the minions. These people have gone over the edge; they've entered the cloistered American bizarro wealth and powersphere and too many Democrats still buy into them.

So, yeah, it's dark. Yay Tweety.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:35 PM
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14. Give him some credit
He took himself away from his obsession with Hillary to spend almost 10 min. on the Republican primary race.

I wonder if she rebuffed his advances sometime in the past, and he is now acting out his frustration.



Or, maybe he is just a Reich media whore getting a head start on knocking down the most likely Dem candidate.
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:57 PM
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16. I use to defend the guy, but not anymore.
It was pure over-the-top irrational hatred. Way beyond the pale.

I wish Keith would do a "Worst person in the world" on him. If Tweety were on Fox, I bet Keith would do just that.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:04 PM
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19. That's exactly what I said in my email to KO.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:03 PM
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18. I want to do something about this outrage.
We should all be disgusted with the attack. It was so ugly.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:08 PM
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21. Matthews never disappoints on his hatred for the Clintons.
But I'm sure the O supporters were loving it.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:26 PM
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22. Sometimes he seems pretty normal - and other times just flat out NUTZ! nt
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:37 PM
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24. He's the only bi-polar journalist at MSNBC
One day, he will say something very logical and the next day he totally contradicts himself.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:51 PM
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25. Perfect explanation for The Tweetster
:thumbsup:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:53 PM
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26. He acts like a Hillary spurned his advances at some point
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Rincewind Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:05 PM
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28. Not Hillary, Bill nt
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:06 PM
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30. Exactly. He doesn't even try to hide his hatred. nt.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:10 PM
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31. HRC is getting the same grilling on CNN: Anderson Cooper, but without
the nastiness of Matthews. That makes 3 prime time news shows tonight, just that I've seen, that have focused a lot of air time on Hillary's negative campaigning and how it is negatively affecting her campaign.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:56 PM
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34. I watched CNN, and I don't think she fared too badly.
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 10:59 PM by seasonedblue
They all agreed that Obama started the attacks, and a few were surprised that she went negative again so soon. Jennifer Connelly was the only one trying to pull the race card, and Gergen batted that crap down.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:41 PM
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35. Yeah, she was pretty off the wall with that line of thought !
Sometimes an attack is just ..well.. an attack :-)
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:15 PM
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32. Tweety's eyes get black when he discusses Senator Clinton. He was rejected as a speech writer by
them YEARS ago and he can't get over the rejection.

He should stick to sniffing Fred Thompson's boxers.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 12:03 AM
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37. While others at DU are quick to label MSNBC's Olbermann as an unabashed "Hillbot"
and claim he's constantly sucking up to her!
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 01:51 AM
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40. What a surprise! The Obama supporters defending the misogynist asshole!!!
Well, things never change. Negative campaign? Negative campaign is what the media is doing to Hillary and has been doing for years. The little boys like Tweety can't stand the thought that they may have to call this woman president. They'll do whatever it takes to discredit her. Why do you think that they were urging Obama to go negative back in October? And how did they react when he did start attacking her? They complained that it wasn't enough, but since she fought back, now she's being accused of every vile thing under the sun.

I just got one thing to say to some of you men, keep trashing Hillary for everything from her looks to every word that she utters and you'll see how women react at the polls. I've heard from some women who weren't even that supportive of her initially and are now saying that they will vote for her because they had enough of the Hillary bashing.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:28 PM
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44. "Smothering and knifing infants?"
:wtf:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:32 PM
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46. I Have More Respect For Limbaugh, Savage, And Hannity
At least they don't hide their biases...Tweety is a disingenuous, dishonest, and deceptive dick...
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:30 PM
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48. That's so untrue. He tries to be hard on all sides.
To say you could like a Michael Savage better than Chris Matthews is bizarre.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 08:32 PM
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49. That's an oxymoron: Chris Matthews and journalism.
Edited on Fri Dec-21-07 08:33 PM by notmyprez
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