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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:34 PM
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Did Hillary lie this morning?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/17/clinton-contra...

Today
On Monday, Hillary Clinton contradicted her top strategist by stating that her campaign had asked Bill Shaheen, the New Hampshire co-chair, to resign after his controversial remarks Barack Obama's past drug use.

"We asked him to step down," Clinton said during a media blitz that saw her go on six morning news shows. "Every time somebody in my campaign says something that we don't believe is right, appropriate, we take care of it... We move quickly. And we will keep doing it."

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Last week
MATTHEWS: Did you tell him to step down?

PENN: The senator made that clear. No, he stepped down. And he made clear...

MATTHEWS: Do you tell him to step down? It took 24 hours for him to do it. Do you think he did it in time...

PENN: No. No.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:35 PM
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1. Oopsie! nt
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:35 PM
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2. Depends, did she speak?
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:36 PM
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3. Were her lips moving?
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:36 PM
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4. I saw all of the headlines about more spying etc
this am and came to DU to find like-minded people.

PLEASE stop nit-picking our Dem candidates. Any ONE of them is better than the Repubs.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:39 PM
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7. So, we should just let lies go if they're said by Dems.?
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:40 PM
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9. You're in the wrong forum.
This is what GD: Politics is for, to discuss the Democratic candidates.

If you want info on spying, go to General Discussion.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:38 PM
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5. YES! I heard that comment this morning and thought I heard something different last week.
I hope this gets some attention. Just more lies.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:38 PM
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6. I'd believe Hillary before I'd believe Mark Penn... nt
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:39 PM
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8. Is the Pope Catholic?
She, like Bill, lies as easily and as much as they breathe.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:42 PM
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11. Rush? nt.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:47 PM
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17. Truth.
It hurts, doesn't it?
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:51 PM
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24. Rush? nt.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:28 PM
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46. Polly wanna cracker?
:rofl:
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:35 PM
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47. Wes? nt.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:49 PM
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21. Hillary? nt.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:54 PM
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28. close...Joe Momma. nt.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:42 PM
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10. Slick Hilly
Edited on Mon Dec-17-07 01:45 PM by Armstead
You never know what the truth is or isn't.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:43 PM
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12. Penn says HE didn't do it. That has nothing to do with Hillary's comment as far as I can see...
Edited on Mon Dec-17-07 01:44 PM by wlucinda
How does that make her a liar?
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:46 PM
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15. No Penn's the liar. Hillary is the enabler
something she's truly good at.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:47 PM
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18. Are you serious?
Hillary: "We asked him to step down,"

PENN: "No, he stepped down."
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:52 PM
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26. Your OP asks if Hillary lied. I see no evidence that she did.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:55 PM
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30. How bout, does this make Hillary's campaign look stupid?
:shrug:
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:57 PM
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31. How so? It makes it look like the candidate was the one who pulled the plug.
Which is how it should look anyway.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:12 PM
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42. No. It makes it look like she and her campaign manager aren't on the same page.
Remember, this wasn't some minor issue.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:37 PM
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48. How so? Coming on the heels of Obama's "my campaign manager did it" response, I think it works.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 03:57 PM
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54. I know you are smart enough to see the difference here.
There is an objective truth.
Either Shaheen was told to resign or he decided this himself.

Hillary says he was told to do so.
Penn says he did it on his own.

This is a blatant contradiction.

So who was lying, Penn or Hillary?

I believe Hillary fudged the facts to make her appear more in control of her outfit,
but maybe Penn was lying.

Either way, someone was definitely being dishonest.
And you don't like dishonesty, do ya rinsd?


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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:59 PM
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56. "And you don't like dishonesty, do ya rinsd?"
Nope, especially from you which includes the characterization here of what was said and what was done.



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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:48 PM
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19. .
:rofl:

I would expect nothing less. I honestly believe that we all are much more similar to our chosen candidate than we would care to admit.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:11 PM
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41. Good point.
Shw was probably using the royal 'We'.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 03:52 PM
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53. no, he implied 'the campaign' didn't ask Shaheen to resign
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:45 PM
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13. I would imagine the candidate would ask someone to step down so maybe I am missing something.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:46 PM
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14. Deleted - wrong place
Edited on Mon Dec-17-07 01:48 PM by Dawgs
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:47 PM
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16. No, but lets say she did
so what?

Is there a candidate running that is pure as snow and hasn't lied about something? Come on, lets be serious.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:53 PM
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27. Maybe we Dems. better point out her lie(s) so the Repubs. won't be able to use it like it's new
Edited on Mon Dec-17-07 01:54 PM by jenmito
info. Don't you agree?
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:58 PM
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32. not on this issue
I dont think this is a big deal even if she did lie about it. But most likely they (Penn and Hillary) just had bad communication and they both thought they were telling the truth.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:16 PM
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44. I disagree...
It speaks to her/their tactics of running a campaign. If they'll lie about this, they'll lie about other things. It speaks to a larger issue of dirty campaigning. I doubt they had "bad communication." They run a tight ship.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:07 PM
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40. within reason
posts about a candidates name and relatives and kindergarten records are beneath low. It is sad to see what Dems did to Gray Davis and Phil Angelides. We are not bette off with Groper. Dems put him there, Fifth column Dems
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:57 PM
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55. Yes! We are just "vetting" Hillary...
..just like Hillary is helping Obama by "vetting" him.

:rofl:

I'm glad I don't live in HillaryWorld.
I get dizzy too easily.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 05:28 PM
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58. Exactly!
Hey-what's good for the goose is good for the goose's opponent!
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:48 PM
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20. It's not a lie, though someone like Drudge might think that.
Penn said that he, Penn, did not tell him to step down.

Hillary said that "we" told him to step down.

I guess you need to figure out who actually told him to step down.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:51 PM
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25. No, Penn said that "he stepped down".
And, if you don't accept that, why are Hillary and Penn not communicating on something as important as this disaster?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:50 PM
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22. Sending this to the greatest page
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:50 PM
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23. I'm certain Clinton advised him to step down,
Edited on Mon Dec-17-07 01:51 PM by seasonedblue
when a co-chair makes a statement that causes such a media event, of course the candidate will help him 'decide' whether or not to leave.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:54 PM
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29. Wake up everyone!!
THEY ALL LIE!!!!! All politicians lie. Dems and Repukes all lie. They tell us what we want to hear. Why does everyone think their favorite candidate is incapable of lying? We just have to pick the one that lies the least.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:59 PM
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36. You said it!
This really cant be argued, IMHO.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:58 PM
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33. how can one tell? she answered no question directly.
and that laugh! what is going on inside her campaign?
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:58 PM
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34. What a depressing bore this board has become!!!!
Edited on Mon Dec-17-07 02:05 PM by Beacool
Why bother coming here, when some of you are as bad as the Freepers? Don't like Hillary? Fine, don't vote for her but stop bashing her in almost every single post. It's getting sickening!
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:00 PM
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38. I feel the same way,
there are so many nonsense threads, sometimes it's not worth logging in. This is NOT political debate.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:58 PM
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35. "Every time somebody in my campaign says something that we don't believe is right, appropriate, we
"We asked him to step down," Clinton said during a media blitz that saw her go on six morning news shows. "Every time somebody in my campaign says something that we don't believe is right, appropriate, we take care of it... We move quickly. And we will keep doing it."


Hillary is showing a lot more respect to Obama than Obama is paying to GLBT voters.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:00 PM
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37. She should ask Mark Penn to step down.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:15 PM
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43. McClurkin is in Obama's campaign?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:22 PM
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45. She asked her SC co-chairs to step down?
When is their bigotry every going to matter to GLBT voters?
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:02 PM
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39. I don't know. Were her lips moving?
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:38 PM
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49. These Repugnant talking points are exceedingly pointless...
Anything to slam one of the candidates. Huffington Post is written by a woman who married a wealthy guy and did very well by him, until it became known that he was gay. She and he also hired illegal aliens to work on their house and grounds. Does she have credibility? Bartcop says no more credibility than Dowd...another loser.

Some of these phonies and trolls amongst us are revealing themselves time and time again.

And Matthews? You accept Matthews show as gospel?

Did you folks get your full dose of the Oxycontin Queen this morning? The world wants to know.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 03:46 PM
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50. You CANNOT be serious, discrediting the sources when video is available for all to see!
So people who point out inconsistencies in Hillary's campaign are phonies and trolls? :wtf:
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 03:47 PM
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51. Hillary lie? Oh, pshaw. Never!
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 03:51 PM
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52. Im Sure She Didn't Know About The Planted Questions in The Campaign Portfolio
Just like Bush was unaware of the outing of Valerie Plame.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:59 PM
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57. It depends on the meaning of what "step down" means
:boring:

Of course, she lied. Gee whiz...

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