Why does Obama get a clear passage?

[question everything]

It was raised on Olbermann earlier this evening. It is not just his drug use that, no doubt, will be milked with relish by Rove if he is the nominee; it is, yes, his experience, his Muslim childhood, even his middle name. His priorities, or not, to African-Americans issues. Is he different from Sharpton and Jackson? How?

We need to air such concerns to, if nothing else, prepare him - or any other candidate - for whatever version of the swifters Rove will cook.

It appears, though, that while Clinton is attacked by Democrats, Obama is a sacred cow and if anyone is questioning him, that person has to pound one's chest and ask for forgiveness.

Why? Is it because he is black?

Flame away.

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[AX10]

4. The sad truth is that these issues matter.

You just posted pure ignorance.


The left wing in this country has a severe problem. Like Michael Moore, they believe that bigotry only exists against people with dark skin.


So why does Obama get a pass while the others get clobbered. It's not just Hillary, it's also Edwards. Remember, he got attacked for his house and his haircuts in the spring.
Isn't it strange that Rush and Hannity are so sympathetic with Obama, while vilifying Hillary?
The right wing is trying to sack us with a losing candidate and the left is falling for it. No suprise there.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

37. Save it. nt

[1corona4u]

6. Obama said the following in the B&B debate...

"".....tone of bringing all people together as opposed to excluding people, and being willing to talk about racial issues when they arise....."

I think Obama wants people to talk about racial issues.

Personally, I don't think it's because he's black.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

39. Genuine discussions are fine, this is push-polling, swiftboating bullshit. nt

[ginchinchili]

82. Obama is the first black candidate to be a serious contender for the presidency.

To pretend his race is not an issue or to insist that it shouldn't be discussed is not conducive to his candidacy or our election process. I do think the right candidate can get elected president in this country, no matter what their race or gender is, but it will be an issue for a lot of Americans. Personally, I think Obama's race helps him more than hurts him, at least in the primary. It's his lack of experience that concerns me. I think Rove would be quite comfortable with Hillary or Obama as the Democratic nominee. Once again Democrats appear to be falling into their same old routine of picking weak general election candidates. They often lose because they are only focused on candidates that please the card carrying Party members. The only chance Clinton or Obama have to win this election is because the Republican field is so weak. If the Republicans were to wise up and nominate John McCain we'd have another Republican president. Romney could possibly beat them as well. And if Bloomberg enters the race, all bets are off.

[1corona4u]

1. ...

[K Gardner]

32. It's really not fair when you show up first and eat all the popcorn

[1corona4u]

50. LOL...

just happened to get here before the crowd.

[Adelante]

2. Don't be frightened

Of those bad Repukes

[Politicub]

3. The republicans are staying away from Obama

for the same reason the dems are refraining from attaching Huckabee. It's because they know he can be more easily defeated during the general election.

Hillary would be unstoppable against any republican opponent. She has a very clean record compared to Obama.

[AX10]

5. 100% Correct!

[Bullet1987]

7. Obama didn't have a Muslim childhood...

[Politicub]

11. Who in this thread said he did? n/t

On edit: except for the original poster

[AX10]

12. I never said that.

[THUNDER HANDS]

13. ookay

that's one view

I doubt Hillary would be unstoppable. In fact, I seriously fail to see one state she could win that Kerry didn't in 2004.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

40. Then they're both wrong. Huckabee scares the shit out of me.

He's just affable and aw shucks goofy enough to be the next President You Want To Have A Beer With. Or Pray With.

[beaconess]

8. Is John Edwards different from Jerry Brown and Tom Harkin? How?

And what are his priorities to white issues.

Oh, that's right - white guys who ran for president in completely different years who have nothing in common other than the color of their skin aren't lumped together and expected to differentiate themselves from one another. And we don't expect them to explain to explain their views about "white issues," since, of course, "white issues" are just "issues."

That crap is reserved for black people.

Free ride my eye. With the likes of you offering your advice and counsel to him, God bless us all.

[jefferson_dem]

9. Because he's black?! What the fuck is wrong with you?

Flame away, damn right. This OP deserves it.

[snowbear]

29. Crazy that these threads are allowed to remain on here.

Question Everything has never lost it quite like this that I've seen before.

Sad state of affairs.

-

[AX10]

35. He has lost nothing.

He is pointing out the facts.
So, why has Obama been given a free pass? Let's here it!

[snowbear]

45. Did you even read their thread AX10?

I am so ashamed that YOU are a fellow Clarkie at this point.

So you're telling us that what question everything said in that thread was FACTS???????

READ IT AGAIN.

[AX10]

47. And I am ashamed that you are so foolish.

I am not intimidated by the GODDAMN left wing!
Like it or not, Hillary has dealt with this shit for 15 years and she cannot be attacked in the way others candidates can be. Also, you are foolish to believe that race is no longer an issue in America.
I don't like it, but that's a fact.

Also, Wes Clark has PROUDLY endorsed Hillary!

[snowbear]

52. Whoa.

"I am not intimidated by the GODDAMN left wing!"

OMG. I've just been attacked by a DLC'er who doesn't like the left wing of the party!

- - - - -

[AX10]

54. I'm a moderate Democrat.

I don't like the DLC either.

[snowbear]

58. You've already told us what you like AX10.

Wow.

Dissing the left wing ---- "a DLC tradition since 1985".

[AX10]

59. The Left Wing:

Losing elections since 1968!

[loveangelc]

53. not just the left wing...the GODDAMN left wing?

wow. why are you even on DU?

[AX10]

55. Because this place is supposed to be for all Democrats.

I guess you just want it be a place where only the far left wing can meet.

[loveangelc]

65. well it pretty much already is a place where "people on the far left meet"

soooooo...whats the point of being amongst a bunch of "left wingers"?

[Joe the Revelator]

66. I see your truuuuuuue colors, shining through...

Holy shit.

[loveangelc]

10. why are people on DU of all places

always so quick to say that he's black therefore he's getting an easy ride or whatever Thats something someone who goes to a white supremacy or kkk message board would suggest; now I see DU is definitely not as progressive as it would like to believe it is. Too many people imo really seem to dislike obama and race always seems to be a main issue though they don't want to admit it. So am i to believe everyone who believes he would have a hard time winning the general election because he's black will never vote for a black candidate to be the Dem nominee? Sad.

[beaconess]

17. DU is full of bigots

The sad thing is that they actually think they're progressive.

The latest permutation is the "I didn't say Obama - I'm only pointing out that THE REPUBLICANS will say these things about him so I'm doing him a favor by saying it first so that he will be prepared to deal with it when THEY say it."

Thank God for these people on DU who are so willing and eager to help poor, ignorant, naive, clueless Barack Obama prepare himself for battle. If it weren't for them, he wouldn't know WHAT to do. It's a wonder he got through Harvard and elected to the Senate without their assistance, as helpless as he is.

[Joe the Revelator]

24. And they all seem to be supporting a certain candidate.

I'm just saying.

[maddiejoan]

25. That's rather presumptious

I don't support Obama.

It's not about the color of his skin either.

Though I suppose you'll just write it off that I'm just not admitting my racism.

Obviously not supporting Obama = racism/

[loveangelc]

34. obviously not everyone who doesn't like obama is a racist but...

It does seem to be a big issue with some people on here, and yes, many seem to support your candidate. There have been post after post about "Obama cannot win, he's black" and "OMG Obama gets off SO EASY BECAUSE HE'S BLACK!!!1" or better yet "he wouldn't be where he is today if he weren't black!!" Sorry, just stating what I see.

[maddiejoan]

41. I can assure you

My reasonings have absolutely zero to do with his skin color.
I find racism and sexism to be equally disgusting.

[Joe the Revelator]

62. Just because you can be a decent person...

doesn't mean all of DU is behind that sentiment.

[mbali]

14. Why does Obama get stupid, racist questions such as this thrown at him?

You're damned tootin' it's cause he's black.

Good Lord - it's hard to believe someone who would so shamelessly spout such crap would call yourself a Democrat.

[AX10]

15. As another OP said,

the GOP knows that Obama is very beatable, so they want to build him up for the GE, before tearing him down. The Dems are doing the same thing with "Deliverance" Huckabee.

[loveangelc]

30. Are you serious?

All of the Republicans have been bringing up Hillary, Hillary, Hillary. Why? It rallies the base. When half the country is sure to NEVER vote for a person (hillary), leaving the other half of who MAY or MAY NOT, and raises such hatred from people who dislike her, the idea of her being the most electable is just so weird to me. No matter who the nominee is, they are going to be attacked. And where is this idea coming from that Hillary doesn't have as many bones in her closet when she has many many more? I may be young and not know as much, but I just don't get it.

[AX10]

33. The GOP is smart. They found a better candidate to..

trash them Hillary. It gives them something new to attack.

[loveangelc]

36. ok, so by potentially giving them a new person to criticize than Hillary,

this means that Hillary should be the nominee....? ok.

[AlCzervik]

16. Hugging it out seems impossible. You lost me at "Because he is black?"

[THUNDER HANDS]

18. ever think it's because he's more likeable than Clinton or Edwards?

[readmoreoften]

43. No, he's incredibly unlikeable. /nt

[loveangelc]

71. He is extremely likeable to most people.

I didnt even know people would actually debate the fact that he's likeable.

[emilyg]

67. No.

[Zueda]

19. It's because Obama has demonstrated...

superb political jujitsu by using the weight of Hillary's 'politics of personal destruction' against her while at the same time merely defending himself. I've found this quite enjoyable to watch over the last few weeks.

In my neck of the woods we call this playin' em like a fiddle.

[BeyondGeography]

20. Get help

[K Gardner]

21. So, you're saying we need to lie about him - like you're doing -

to prepare him? Interesting concept. Should we don white sheets and burn a cross on his lawn to help him along? I'd be all over it, but I consider myself a good Democrat and moreover, a rational human being. On the other hand, what you're doing here is just despicable. I hope the mods will lock this, yet one more nasty lying thread about Obama, soon.

[BenDavid]

22. It's the same bunch of silly democrat sombitches that over

the years stuck the dagger in the back of Bill and now sticking the daggers in HRC. Folks, what is going to happen is we are going to have a nominee that knows jack shit about anything. Talk about bush being a dumb ass, obama will be the same way. I hate to be critical of anyone but this man does nothing for me. We will lose in 08 if Obama is the candidate and HRC is telling the dems right, if you think the republicans are going to play nice then you must be kin to Bob Strum. I still am of the opinion HRC will be our nominee and when she wins you will be happy she was the one that took it direct and straight to the republicans.....

Unlike Oprah who wants people to support obama becasue he is black now that is wrong and racist. Michelle obama said black folks will finally get it, meaning they should vote for her husband for the simple reason he is black. That is just stupid......

Ben David

[AX10]

28. Right on! I believe that you would agree that...

supporting someone based upon their race/gender/ethnicity is plain wrong.
As a non-black, I found Michelle Obama to be highly offensive. I would be highly offended if someone of my background told me that I must support them or else.

[Joe the Revelator]

31. What does your last paragraph have to do with anything?

nt

[emilyg]

68. Thank you.

[snowbear]

23. I have no clue who you support, but you certainly have one NASTY thread here QE.

You managed to drag race, drugs, Karl Rove, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, swiftboaters, Barack's middle name, and a big fat lie that the Rethugs keep echoing about a Muslim childhood into three pathetic lines.

Senator Obama is not being given "clear passage", he's being respected by a majority of Americans for something more candidates need.

Candid, open, HONESTY.

New Republic: Drugs, truth, and comparison of Obama to Clinton - http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_spine/archive/2007/1...

[Joe the Revelator]

26. The question is really, why is Hillary doing such a bad job of calculating public response...

to everything she does?

[tammywammy]

27. You lost me at "Muslim childhood"

[snowbear]

38. I think they lost the respect of almost every DU'er who had the misfortune of reading that thread.

Un-f'n believable that this is coming from THEM of all people.

What the hell has happened to some people here!?!?

[Windy]

42. You are sick.... get help

bush league...

[Colobo]

44. The racism here in DU is incredible.

[snowbear]

46. And it just blows me away that HRC supporters condone it !!

I'm reading where AX10, Hillary supporter, is indicating that everything QE said was fact.

They spewed out three lines of racial slurs and hatred, and people like AX10 come running to their defense.

Incredible.

[Colobo]

51. If he agrees with the post...

then we know what his beliefs are...

[AX10]

56. Go to HELL!

QE is asking a question, that is all!

[loveangelc]

60. a question that you know damn well is race-baiting and ignorant

You and some of your Hillary supporters need to stop, it makes you all look bad and makes the people who support Hillary bad/ignorant/desperate/etc

[Joe the Revelator]

64. Why don't you calm down a bit here, High Speed? nt

[babylonsister]

77. No shit. It's becoming way obvious. Very sad. nt

[Fire Walk With Me]

48. That's easy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasal_spray

[AlCzervik]

49. it's official, this thread sucks.

[ariesgem]

57. Why are these racist flamebait threads allowed to continue on DU?

Alerted.

[AlCzervik]

63. i hit alert because this thread went where i thought it would go only faster.

this whole forum needs a giant time out.

[ariesgem]

69. You got that right..

Hello? HELLO? Is there a mod in the house?

[snowbear]

72. Yet here is what's happening. Certain threads are being deleted, yet the main thread....

.... which anyone can tell is incredibly racist and hateful remains intact.

WHY?

The OP did yet another "post and flee" after spewing 3 lines of filth, and it does nothing but make the moderators sit here and selectively delete one thread at a time.

Why bother doing it that way when the thread is 100% FLAME BAIT and the OP took a hike right after they posted it?

[Pirate Smile]

61. He didn't have a Muslim childhood. I do have an answer for your question though.

He is rubber and she is glue.

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_counter...

I love when I am able to answer people's questions. You're welcome.

[Jersey Devil]

70. I find myself rallying to Obama though he is not my favorite

What kind of crap is this post?

[quinnox]

73. I mostly agree but Obama didn't have a muslim childhood

That is a smear put out by Fox news.

But overall yes, Obama should be scrutinized and any skeletons in his closet should be known about before Democrats nominate a potential candidate that could lose because of some unknown dirt that we didn't know about ahead of time.

No, Obama shouldn't get a free ride and we need to know if he has the goods to win against the republicans. So far I worry Obama will lose to the republicans because he hasn't given me confidence based on his campaign.

[babylonsister]

74. You are nasty and your bent is noted. Are you a Dem? nt

[TwilightGardener]

75. Really bothers you that the few minor flaws he has as a candidate aren't

doing him any damage, doesn't it? I guess the solution is to make a HUUUUGE deal out of them, to the point of some campaigns making up shit (like Obama dealing drugs), under the guise of "toughening him up" for the GOPers--NOT to help another candidate, right? Just the purest of motives in this mudslinging...they're only trying to help!

[journalist3072]

76. I agree totally with the OP. Obama defintely gets a free ride

A good example would be his non-answer to the immigrant drivers license in the Nevada debate.

I think it might have been Chris Matthews or one of the other hores in the MSM who had a rare moment of clarity, and admitted Obama was given a pass for his non-answer., whereas Hillart Clinton got raked over the coals for her answer just weeks before.

[loveangelc]

78. so you actually believe he gets it because he's black...?

[Renew Deal]

79. Are those questions asked because he's black?

It is not just his drug use that, no doubt, will be milked with relish by Rove if he is the nominee; it is, yes, his experience, his Muslim childhood, even his middle name. His priorities, or not, to African-Americans issues. Is he different from Sharpton and Jackson? How?

[Bitwit1234]

80. Yes they are afraid they will be called racist.

I heard one radio commentator talk about this. He was not for or against Obama. He said that Hillary was attacked because she went after the women's vote, but that nothing was being said about Obama and his going after the black vote. And that because of the real racist remarks that Imus and some of the other commentators had made, people are afraid to say anything they think the MSM will use that as an excuse to come down on them. And they had another commentator on, who said that Hillary's camp could go after Obama like he is going after her with a lot of things, but they are only using the soft stuff, because, like with the commentators they are afraid they will be called racist.

So you see in this country, women are still discriminated against more so than by race.

[loveangelc]

81. are you a black woman?

[ProSense]

83. Didn't Imus just ask a similar question:

here?

Except, you are serious and more offensive!

I still can't believe Media Matters dedicated a entire piece to that silly question to try to stir up outrage.

[proud patriot]

84. Locking this thread

flamebait

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