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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:31 PM
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Des Moines Register makes its endorsement Sunday.. speculation is that Edwards gets it..
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 08:32 PM by larissa
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According to New Republic article just out --- called of all things --- "What if the Des Moines Register Endorses Biden?"

As he's ending the article, the author, Noam Scheiber, updates it with the following news:

"Update: Just got word from a reasonably informed source--someone not in a position to know with certainty, but in a position to know what various Democratic campaign insiders expect--that it's going to be Edwards again. We'll find out Sunday...



http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2007/1...

Kudos to Senator Edwards if that happens! ~~

And hmmmm.. wonder if the New Republic is planning to endorse Biden?

Ya never know..
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:38 PM
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1. Chris Matthews was talking about it to David Yepsen, who said he was out
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 08:39 PM by gateley
of that loop, so he had no inside info. But Matthews was saying they usually print the Sunday newspaper on Thursday or Friday (is that right, anybody know?). If that's accurate, SOMEBODY knows -- and I wonder if it'll leak before it hits the streets.

EDIT: The article answered my question.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:41 PM
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2. Biden already picked up a newspaper endorsement in Iowa.
Just don't ask me the name of it. :P
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Grandrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:45 PM
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3. Edwards absolutely deserves it!
That family put their hearts, souls and energy into Iowa and that should count as just plain the right thing to receive the endorsement!
I am GoBama all the way, but I just like the Edwards! :)
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:52 PM
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4. tease!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:55 PM
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5. The REGISTER endorsed Edwards in 04.
If they chose to endorse him again, no one at my place would fly into a rage.

Much to our Democrats' credit, the decision isn't an easy one, and there are many "right" answers.

I biased in favor of the Carolinian and feel he's run a ship-shape campaign in the Hawkeye State.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:00 PM
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6. They won't be choosing Obama
if Yepsen's partisan attitude on Hardball tonight and recent columns trashing the student vote effort are any indication. It was funny the way he fairly sneered about the race for the President not being as easy "as a Senate race in Illinois." Biden might be a good dark horse pick.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:05 PM
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7. Well BeyondGeography, just be glad that Yepsen out of the loop...
but I agree that it'll likely be Edwards. The Des Moines Register also gave Edwards STRONG kudos following the debate.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:06 PM
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8. I'll be watching their polls closer than their endorsement
They like to surprise...something tells me it won't be Edwards again.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 05:41 PM
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51. Better read this then
"But speculation tilts heavily toward Mr. Obama, who opposed the Iraq war from the beginning. Some think the Register prefers to back candidates who aren't establishment favorites, a description that may apply more to Mr. Obama. After all, everyone likes to play kingmaker."

(Wall Street Journal, Dec 15)

Article.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:23 PM
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9. I don't think it will be Edwards.
I hope they prove me wrong.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:51 PM
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11. Why dont you think so?
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:13 PM
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12. Oh, he deserves to be...don't get me wrong.
I just don't think they will endorse someone they endorsed 4 years ago. I think it would be too precictable and they like to shake things up for the heck of it.
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 05:36 PM
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49. I have the same feelings!
I know the endorsed him in 2004 ... but again? Not so sure.

Hi Inspired! :hi:
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:32 PM
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10. If Edwards gets the endorsement, it could mean 3rd place for Hillary in caucuses
Obama looks like the winner at this point. Hillary and Edwards are battling for 2nd. This endorsement could easily give Edwards the edge over Hillary.

If Hillary continues her negative tactics, Richardson and Biden might beat her.

Fresh off her 5th place finish, Hillary Gaggle unanimously proclaims Iowa a state full of Hillary Haters and mysogynistic followers of Republican Talking Points. Hillary will say Iowa is not her neighboring state, so she always knew it would be hard, yada. Then off to her neighboring state of new hampshire for her to get thumped again.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:29 PM
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14. If Edwards get the endorsement by the Des Moines Register...
Iowa is likely between Obama and Edwards for 1st.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 03:28 PM
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45. Biden will come in 4th or better. You watch.
Surprises to come!
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 05:39 PM
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50. I think so, too, definitely nt
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:25 PM
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13. 6 out of the 7 Register editors are women
Will they follow the herd instinct, or will they be rational about this?
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 01:34 AM
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18. Very sexist coment!!!! n/t
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 12:27 PM
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36. It was Hillarycamp that played the gender card, and they still are
saying that women should vote for Hillary solely on the basis of her gender. It was Hillarycamp that treats women as objects to be exploited.

The fact that Hillary's support among women has dropped 10 points tells me that Hillarycamp's calculation that Hillary was entitled to the women's voted was wrong.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 03:11 AM
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30. LOL!
yes, we all know women are just sheep and can't think for themselves. Thanks for that brilliant comment.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 03:22 AM
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32. That's a very brave man.
Me? I, I, I would never. Just never.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:29 PM
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15. Here's an excerpt from The Des Moines Register's 2004 endorsement:
John Edwards -- his time is now By Register Editorial Board

The more we watched him, the more we read his speeches and studied his positions, the more we saw him comport himself in debate, the more we learned about his life story, the more our editorial board came to conclude he's a cut above the others.... Edwards grew up around the textile mills in the Southeast. He describes his family as close-knit and hard-working - the kind of family that had to sit around the kitchen table to figure out what to sacrifice to send their son to college. Edwards played high school football, worked some summers in the mills and studied textiles at North Carolina State University, figuring on returning to the mills as his family's first college graduate.

Instead, he went on to law school at the University of North Carolina, where he met his future bride. Both became lawyers. John specialized in trial law, winning some of the most spectacular verdicts in North Carolina history and earning a small fortune by the time he was in his 40s. The couple endured the loss of a 16-year-old son in a highway accident in 1996. They have three surviving children.

In his first try for public office, Edwards defeated an incumbent Republican in 1998 to win a seat in the U.S. Senate from North Carolina. He financed his own campaign, avoiding contributions from lobbyists. ... Roll back some or all of the Bush tax cuts and redirect the money into health care and education. Conduct a foreign policy that is more collaborative and less bellicose.... it is Edwards who most eloquently and believably expresses this point of view, with his trial-lawyer skill for distilling arguments into compelling language that moves a jury of ordinary people. He speaks of there being two Americas:

"One America does the work, while another America reaps the reward. One America pays the taxes, while another America gets the tax breaks. If we want America to be a growing, thriving democracy with the strongest middle class on Earth, we must choose a different path."

If Edwards wins the Democratic nomination, voters this fall would have a choice between two men who almost perfectly embody the rival political philosophies in America today. George W. Bush and John Edwards are attractive, likable, energetic. They have about the same level of prior experience in government - and they are polar opposites.

Bush is from a prominent family, attended Ivy League universities, made his fortune in business and fervently believes the philosophy of "a rising tide lifts all boats." His policies flow from the conviction that all Americans will gain if business is largely unfettered and if investors are better rewarded.

Edwards is from a working-class family, attended public universities, made his fortune representing ordinary people in the courtroom and fervently believes that America does best when doors of opportunity are open to anyone willing to work and get ahead. He says those opportunities are being choked off in an America today that rewards wealth, not work. Emblematic of his approach is his proposal to pay the first year's tuition to a state university or community college for any student willing to work.... What a clear and attractive choice an Edwards vs. Bush fall campaign would offer. Beginning in the Iowa caucuses next Monday, Democrats would do well to give that choice to Americans.

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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 12:20 AM
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16. Biden will get it.
Joe Biden is the one candidate they can endorse with the most well-rounded credentials to support their choice and do what they always love doing, stirring the pot. I'd be surprised if Clinton or Obama got the endorsement.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 01:22 AM
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17. Edwards and Hillary share support
This could cause her big problems.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:26 PM
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43. how do you know they share supporters?
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:37 AM
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19. The New Republic endorsing Biden
might provide a decent path for them to wiggle out of that Lieberman endorsement four years ago. I would imagine their subscriptions have tanked since then...
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:39 AM
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20. Tha's makes sense in light of The New Republic's prior Lieberman endorsement.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:31 AM
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33. Yes, in the sense that now they feel an imperative to exhibit better judgment.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:10 PM
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40. zing!
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:39 AM
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21. I remember how shocked everyone here was when they did that...

I mean SHOCKED.

I can't remember where he was in the polls at that time.. but there wasn't one single DU'er that I can recall that thought it was a good endorsement.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:42 AM
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22. why would anyone be shocked about that
of course the new republic is going to endorse Lieberman. do they even know what TNR is ?

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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:44 AM
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23. I suspect The New Republic had a tough decision between Biden and Hillary.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:50 AM
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26. Maybe, but I think TNR senses Hillary's
inauthenticity as much as anyone else.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:48 AM
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24. TNR was part of the "liberal hawk" crowd, fully supporting the war
so I doubt the endorsement was shocking to those reading the magazine around the time.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:52 AM
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28. It was a big topic of discussion at the time of the LIEberman endorsement here..

Peter Beinart was running the show there and you're right, he supported going into Iraq.

There must've been DU'ers who subscribed to the magazine though because after Low-Blow-Joe was endorsed, there was quite a bit of talk of cancelling subscriptions.




I can see why their magazine is going down the tubes!
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:52 AM
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27. Not really shocked, TNR was for the Iraq War and defended their decision for the next 3 years.
Before realizing that they were totally, absolutely completely wrong.

Peter Bienart was the chief of TNR at the time I think.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:48 AM
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25. no surprise. Biden should be embarassed.
Used to be a liberal masthead. No more. the place is full of neoliberals. To think I once subscribed. Been a Nation subscriber ever since. A Biden endorsement. Only enhances my suspicion, Biden is a hawk.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:46 AM
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34. Right, and Kucinich is an alien from the planet Zootabis.
Please, Biden is the one candidate who has a viable plan that contrasts sharply with Bush's. An effective plan to get us out of Iraq is not the work of a hawk. All the other candidates are offering "plans" that are pretty much the same as Bush's except to yank out our troops, which shows a lack of maturity on military matters and will continue to dog the Democratic Party as the anti-military Party. And if taking care of our soldiers in the military makes Biden a hawk, then it's a charge he should wear proudly. It should also be mentioned that Sen. Biden has a son who will be headed to Iraq next year, so for him this goes beyond politics. It's personal and you can be sure he will use all his knowledge and experience to handle this difficult matter correctly, rather than make rash decisions for the greatest political advantage.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:29 AM
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35. You can judge someone by their friends.
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 10:31 AM by cyclezealot
New Republic's Andrew Sullivan is a pain in the arse.Why does he not keep his nose involved in GOP matters , where it belongs. / So Biden assisted the Bush doctrine by supporting 'regime change.' I expect more from a Senate chair. Bob Graham at Senate Intelligence knew better so should have Biden.
Want a workable plan to get us out of Iraq this is the best one I have read.
$
I am offering such a plan today. This plan responds to the concerns of a majority of Americans. On Tuesday, when Congress resumes its work, I will present this plan to leadership and members as the only viable alternative to the Bush Administration's policy of continued occupation and escalation.
These are the elements of the Kucinich Plan
1. The US announces it will end the occupation, close military bases and withdraw. The insurgency has been fueled by the occupation and the prospect of a long-term presence as indicated by the building of permanent bases
2. US announces that it will use existing funds to bring the troops and necessary equipment home
. 3. Order a simultaneous return of all US contractors to the United States and turn over all contracting work to the Iraqi government.
4. Convene a regional conference for the purpose of developing a security and stabilization force for Iraq
5. Prepare an international security and peacekeeping force to move in, replacing US troops who then return home
6. Develop and fund a process of national reconciliation.

$
For more details see:

http://www.dennis4president.com/go/resources/kucinich-u...
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proudmoddemo Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 03:33 PM
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46. Sullivan Works for The Atlantic Now:
And he just wrote a piece highly favorable towards Obama. From his blog, it's apparent that he probably supports Obama and Ron Paul.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 05:32 PM
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48. guess all the gay baiting in the GOP
got to him. Think the New Republic has changed stripes. In fact did I not read it was bought out by CanWest Publications. Those same owners of the Jerusalem Post and other right wing rags.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 05:47 PM
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52. You can better judge a candidate by who they consider for VP
And it doesn't get any worse than Ron Paul.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:15 PM
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53. nah.
where they get their campaign cash is the best guide.
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:53 AM
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29. I read an article a few months ago
(think it was by Eric Alterman) talking about how after the rightward drift of TNR for several years starting in the late '90's that they had some new higher-ups that were working on moving the magazine back closer to its roots. Here it is:

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=my_marty_pe...

Yeah, and I agree. An endorsement of any of the Democrats running this time around would be an improvement over that '04 Joementum endorsement!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 03:21 AM
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31. Surprise, surprise, surprise........
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 03:21 AM by FrenchieCat



Didn't expect anything else out of Iowa. :boring:
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Tashca Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 01:25 PM
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37. Thank you
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 01:28 PM by Bellator
As an Iowan I would personally like to thank you for your depiction of an average Iowan. We prefer this imagine because it allows us to keep out the elitists and such that are a threat to democracy.
I would ask you kindly what state you are from and who you support in this election? Armed with this knowledge we can have discussions about your state and candidate in this election. I assume you represent everyone from your area?? I will be happy to discuss this with my family, friends, and of course my neighbors at the caucus. I look forward to your gracious reply.

I am now off to meet Senator Biden and as I typed this I got a personal invite to meet former Senator Edwards on Monday.

Good luck to whoever gets this endorsement....it is huge!!!!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:26 PM
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42. What? They're endorsing Huckabee, too?
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:03 PM
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38. Do newspaper endorsements make a big impact
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 02:03 PM by loveangelc
on who voters choose??
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:07 PM
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39. I think this one does
Edwards' credits part of the reason he jumped into second last time around, the Register's endorsement.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:23 PM
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41. If it's NOT Edwards I'd be VERY surprised. He's been practically LIVING in Iowa for YEARS now.
Iowa is the only place he's really competitive.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 03:27 PM
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44. I'd rather vote for Edwards than
Hillary or Obama.

Never thought I'd say that...but I did. I guess he is my second choice at this point.

Biden is first.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 03:39 PM
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47. It's Mike Gravel
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