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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:30 PM
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Letter from Wes Clark.
Dear Marilynn,

General Clark is looking for people who want to help him campaign for Hillary Clinton -- click here to join Wes Clark's efforts for Hillary today!

Wes Clark is doing his part to elect our next President. He has been traveling across Iowa. He appeared in a TV ad for Hillary Clinton that was broadcast across Iowa during the past week. He's making calls, rallying Hillary's supporters, and now, it's time to get the Clark community's grassroots involved.

With 20 days left, we have a lot to do and Wes Clark will be doing his part to elect Hillary -- and you can do your part and campaign with him for Hillary Clinton.

General Clark is looking for those of you who have decided Hillary Clinton is your candidate. If this is you -- we'd really like to get you involved with all that's coming up, whether that means traveling to early primary states, writing letters, phone banking, and all points in between.

Sign up today to join Wes Clark's efforts for Hillary Clinton.
in case someone is still interested in this Obama DU site.

Want to be on the ground campaigning with General Clark in Iowa? Mark your calendars for December 27 and 28. Prefer campaigning in New Hampshire, Nevada, or South Carolina? No problem. Phone banking or writing letters from the comfort of your home? That's easy too.

Just click here and we'll get in touch with you about the many ways you can join Wes Clark's efforts for Hillary.

Thanks so much for everything you are doing to help General Clark and to get us back on the right track in 2008!

Sincerely,

Catherine Grunden
WesPAC

P.S. If you haven't already seen General Clark's new TV ad in support of Hillary Clinton, click here to watch it now!

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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:32 PM
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1. Sorry, Wes.
I supported Clark with great enthusiasm last time, and I still think highly of him, but even he can't sell me on Hillary.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:34 PM
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2. I'm a Clarkie to the bitter end... but NO --- NO --- NO on HRC in the primary
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 08:33 PM by larissa




~ ~ Sorry, but
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venable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:30 PM
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12. proud of you... choose your man, but keep your own counsel. nt
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:37 PM
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5. I have no problem with that
I would have supported Gore in an instant over Hillary had he decided to run, even though Clark endorsed her. But the fact that there are folks like Clark, RFK JR., George McGovern, and Ambassador Joe Wilson now supporting Clinton helps dispell the distortion vision of Hillary as the second coming of Satan that some seem to want to peddle.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:41 PM
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6. Hillary isn't the second coming of Satan.
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 07:42 PM by ocelot
She's a smart, competent Senator (who should stay in her Senate seat), and other smart people certainly have their own reasons for supporting her.

I, however, don't care for her *as the Democratic nominee*, notwithstanding the opinions of Clark or Joe Wilson or anybody else. That doesn't mean I hate her or that I think she's evil. I just don't want her to be the nominee.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 06:50 AM
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31. Ditto, as much as I have tried to
WANT to support her, I just find her grating, and too cocky. She is not evil incarnate, she's 100X better than ANY of the RepukliCONs, but I want another person as the nominee. I will vote for her if she IS the nominee, she's just not my first choice.
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CarolNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 08:21 AM
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35. Oh, but Tom, you've got it backwards....
Don't you know that it doesn't mean that Hillary isn't really the second coming of Satan but that Clark, RFK Jr, George McGovern and Joe Wilson, in spite of what we've thought of them over the years, are in fact also the second coming of Satan....as well as that editor from the DMR. :eyes:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 09:50 AM
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38. I supported Clark through thick or thin. His endorsement of Hillary is either terribly
misguided, naive or self-serving.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:38 PM
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44. Clark knows Hillary Clinton well
I really don't understand how people who once thought Clark had the judgment and integrity to be president would change what they think about him solely because they have a different opinion of the Clintons. An opinion based on what? Certainly not from knowing them personally.

Whatever rationale Clark has for supporting Hillary's candidacy, I will continue to trust it's a good one.

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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:34 PM
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3. Sorry, old friend.
Not this time. I remember 04' quite fondly. If it was you, but not her.

<sigh>

"Clarkie1"
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:36 PM
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4. Later, General...you ran a fine race in 2004
:hi:
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:18 PM
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7. That was a nice letter--Clinton should be proud of his support
And, it is well deserved.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:28 PM
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8. Will he be her VP if she is nominated????
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 08:29 PM by Bobbieo
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:29 PM
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9. Probably. nt
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:33 PM
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16. It is a shame that everyone associated with Clinton has to have a sinister motive
Perhaps he is telling the truth and thinks she will be the best choice for President.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 06:52 AM
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32. The minute he endorsed her and did not enter the race
in my mind, the fix was in. Not that I would mind Clark as her Veep, it would make the team more palatable. :patriot:
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 08:46 AM
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36. Will. Not. Happen.
How many people from Arkansas would Team Clinton put on the ticket?

And speaking of Arkansas connections, it should be noted that the politicians of that state are all signed on for Clinton, just as, the politicians from Illinois have either not declared, or they are for Obama. Of course I would guess that General Clark actually likes Senator Clinton since their friendship goes way back.

What I don't understand is why he has not tried to influence the make-up of her foreign policy team. It's shitfull. Lee Feinstein, her go-to guy, is awful and supports bush's preemptive policy with the qualifier that it doesn't go far enough. Huh? Never mind that Clinton enjoys the advice of Michael PNAC O'Hanlon and Gen. Jack-the-surge Keane.

Anyway, no, General Clark will not be on the ticket. If Clinton is nominated and elected, I can only hope that he stays out of her rat's nest. Bayh, a name at the top of the vp list, will be on teevee this morning and has been Senator Clinton's #1 surrogate this past week. Makes sense to me. Bayh voted for all the horrible bills and resolutions that thrilled Clinton, plus, he is proud member of the DLC. Curiously Bayh is also part of the Intell. Committee currently pushing for telecom immunity. So while certain people on the net post long condemnations of the looming FISA bill, in our upside-down world, they also extol the virtues of the very Dems. who sell us out.

Sorry General...I will continue to put the country first.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 09:38 AM
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37. All we can hope
is that Hillary is not the nominee. I want someone else for the next 4-8 years. Please.

Thanks DZ for your interesting assessment.

:hi:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #8
39. Not in a million years will Clark be Clinton's VP. She'll go for a more politically connected
politician.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 10:24 AM
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41. Long ago in 2004
I was told by a party source that it would be Clinton/Richardson in 2008. While the possibility still exists, watching Richardson on the trail, I wonder if that is still on. And yet, the choice of Bayh would result in the loss of the a senate seat. Both of these men are very entrenched in the DLC group think, supported NAFTA and China Free Trade, and the war. Bayh recently voted against the energy bill too. Richardson even supported Bolton. Fancy that?

Anyone who tells us that they will base their choice on who is best for the country is counting on our collective stupidity.

At this point, since I am determined to stay out of the presidential primary debate, I am focused in working to build an opposition party which means ending the diabolical reign of the DLC. Let them form their own damn party.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 11:22 AM
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42. One more note:
Edited on Sun Dec-16-07 11:25 AM by Donna Zen
I just watched Bayh on CNN talking about the NIE. His bellicosity was absolutely frightening. Kinda a message of startiranwar. Anyone, including General Clark, who thinks that Senator Clinton is listening to the General, is smoking something.

Bayh loves him some more war, and Hillary Clinton loves her some Bayh.

edit: Pat Buchanan is now on and making far more sense than Bayh or Clinton's recent statements in NH.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:30 PM
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11. He tried really hard to find a way to run against her.
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 08:33 PM by calteacherguy
He wanted to. He talked about it when I heard him speak at Stanford over the summer and you could really see the fire in his eyes. He walked the aisles like someone who really wanted the support to run, and I thanked him for all he's done for the country when I shook his hand.

It was a disappointing endorsement.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:31 PM
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14. Didn't you leave DU? Or is this just another broken pledge?
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:32 PM
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15. Huh?
I said I was going to be gone for awhile is all.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:33 PM
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17. hmmmmm.....
time flies.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:34 PM
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19. Sure does. nt
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:30 PM
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10. I tried, General, I tried.
I still believe Clark is the best person to lead this nation, but I know that is not to be. I have such respect for him that when he endorsed Hillary, I decided to consider her. But indeed I had to pass on her for numerous reasons. Ironically, I've been leaning toward Joe Biden for many of the same reasons that I became interested in Clark in 2004: a straight talker, sincere, knows his stuff.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:33 PM
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18. Me too. In fact, as a Clarkie, Biden was the only one I worried about.
I know, most people aren't worried about Biden, but we shall see... :toast:
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 06:53 AM
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33. I am proud to support Joe Biden in the Primaries.
I think Biden will surprise in Iowa. Let's watch kiddies!
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:36 PM
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20. Me too!
Biden is great! Would love to have him as president. I can't understand why he hasn't done better in the polls. Maybe Iowa will fix that! Go Joe!
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:39 PM
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21. Biden's great.
I hope he does do better in Iowa, I really do.

I do think Obama brings more of the inspiration America needs right now, and I worry about Biden's penchant for those darn verbal "gaffes."

I certainly could enthusiastically support Biden if he were the nominee.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:16 PM
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23. I think most of those gaffes (?) would go unnoticed if it were for the damn
corporate owned MSM.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:31 PM
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13. Love ya General, but no sir-ee.
:)
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:41 PM
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22. Puke
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:18 PM
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25. Nice informative polite comment!
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:17 PM
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24. I'm so sad to see Wes turn into a shill for Clinton
Oh well.
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:23 PM
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26. Wow! This totally changes my mind....
About Clark. Screw him too.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 06:18 PM
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28. Wow, hostile!
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 06:42 AM
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29. Yes I am
I'm tired of my vote being taken for granted by people who end up hurting me. The dems have had my vote every single election straight across the ticket since I started to vote in 1984.(I'm 42)

I've just had enough. The dems never miss a chance to miss a chance and if they do it again with Hillary I'm done. If I seem mad its because I love my country and I hate what it has become: one corporate party with 2 wings. Screw Hillary and screw whoever from the military industrial complex decides to kiss her ass from day to day during the campaign.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 06:58 AM
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34. Well, I've been screwed twice
I was a Republican until 1992, and since a Democrat. My earlier years I attribute to not being very well educated about politics and the world. I went to college late, in my 30s, and got liberalized there.

Yeah, the two party system totally sucks. We need something like what Germany has with coalitions (everyone receiving 5%) of the vote has a seat and a say. Just my two euro cents.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:07 PM
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43. Ah true, i hear ya.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:00 PM
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27. Clark has always had my vote
He's honorable, no question in my mind whatsoever and a true patriot, the Hillary thing I can't understand, and I've thought seriously to stop posting here to not undermine his strategy in any way, but I don't know any better than what I know.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 06:47 AM
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30. Count me out Wes, sorry too...
But I want an adult in this race. My money and effort are with Joe Biden.

:patriot:
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 09:56 AM
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40. Thank you for posting.......(see my sig.)


I'm very proud to have Wes Clark & Hillary as my signature.
A great man.......a great woman.
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