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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:24 PM
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If Clinton has proof that Obama sold drugs, she needs to
disclose it. If she has nothing other than Obama's admissions about youthful drug use, Penn has to be fired. It is crystal clear that this hit was orchestrated at the top of the campaign. It is inconceivable that the following events are random occurrences:
- The Novak column saying that Clinton has something devastating on Obama but won't use it
- Then Shaheen raises the possibility that Obama sold drugs without one shred of public information to support the contention
- Then Penn drops cocaine into the dialogue on Hardball
- And today Hillary cites as her main electability asset that she unlike other candidates has been fully vetted.
So I come to the conclusion that if she has proof that Barak sold drugs, she owes it to the Democratic Party and the country to tell what she knows. The nation cannot tolerate another Republican president.
But if as I suspect this is a sleazy trick to make sure that people are aware that Obama's drug use was not limited to pot but included cocaine, then this is sinking to the level of Rove/Nixon and Penn should be sent packing.
The media need to not only ask Obama point blank if he sold drugs,but they also need to ask Clinton whether she has any information to that effect. We deserve straight answers, now.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:26 PM
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1. Forget that!
I wanna know what YOU'RE snorting!
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:34 PM
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6. Ad hominem attack. Brilliant repartee on your part.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:37 PM
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9. Considering your OP
--is just a bunch of collected insinuations with no factual basis being used to slime a Democratic candidate, you got a much lighter spanking than you deserved.
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:38 PM
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10. So now you are threatening violence. How droll
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:40 PM
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13. You have nothing to stand on.
Your OP is nothing but lying slander and muck raking.

as such I've alerted it.
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:45 PM
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18. Well that's a more positive step than personal attacks on other
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 06:47 PM by chieftain
DUers.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:48 PM
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19. Meh
Your piece of flamebait in the OP was a personal attack on the entire DU board as far as I'm concerned.
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:50 PM
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20. I doubt that you speak for the entire DU board but you have
made your personal opinion known.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:53 PM
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22. People like you who start rotten rumors should not have any say in this board. nt
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:53 PM
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Don't recall saying I spoke for the entire board
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 06:54 PM by maddiejoan
I recall saying your post is an attack on the entire board though (and I even stated it as my opinion)

see --opinion "as far as I'm concerned"

see how that works?
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:05 PM
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26. Given your grasp of opinion as distinguished from fact,
you will note that I labeled as my own personal "suspicion" what the Clinton campaign was doing after stating 4 facts. I have yet to hear anyone disprove any of the 4 bullet points. I also allowed for the possibility that Clinton may have something to back up the speculation that her co-chairman planted in the public discourse. If so she needs to tell the rest of us what it is so we can evaluate whether it does significantly reduce Obama's chance of being elected. I don't want another RWer to consolidate the move to an imperial America which W and his henchmen have begun.
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IADEMO2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:27 PM
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2. are you John Edwards
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:31 PM
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4. Leave Edwards out of this please. It ain't nothin' to do with him.
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:36 PM
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8. Nope just a life long Democrat
.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:30 PM
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3. See, I have no idea what you're talking about.
And, I'm betting, neither do most of the rest of us Americans.

But I truly love the way you take Novak as a speaker of the gospel. Yes, indeedy, if he says it, you can take it to the bank.

You do get that this is some fantasy you are weaving? Or do you have actual solid quotes as opposed to wild, joyous leaps of abandon?
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:34 PM
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5. I'm not sure where the rumor comes from, but I agree if your premise is correct.
;)
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:34 PM
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7. Is selling drugs worse than taking drugs?
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:45 PM
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17. Of course selling drugs is worse than taking drugs.
Are you kidding?
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:38 PM
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11. Chieftan how about supplying a friggin link with your post that shows she ever said that.Show quotes
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 06:39 PM by mtnsnake
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:42 PM
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14. The story is on TPM Election Central among other sites.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:44 PM
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15. If you can't show a link that has her quoting anything that implies that, then your post is bullshit
Give us a link instead of spewing rotten rumors.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:39 PM
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12. Bob Novak was a douchebag for liberty but apparently has reformed to a fountain of truth.
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:44 PM
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16. Oops!
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 06:45 PM by The Night Owl
Wrong thread.... disregard.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:52 PM
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21. Posts like yours are of the sleaziest kind because they're only meant to start rumors about Hillary
Some people will read this garbage and automatically think that Hillary said that Obama sold drugs. Then the rumor mill will get to work and spread like the fucking plague.
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:55 PM
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24. I give DUers more credit than that. As is obvious from the
responses the Hillary supporters are more than capable of expressing their poin of view.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:57 PM
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25. So you feel that it's perfectly OK for you to start vicious rumors, then?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:53 PM
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23. StrawLady much?
:strawman:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:07 PM
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27. Oh the irony. This thread is freaking filled with it.
Many of Hillary's most full-throated lock-step apologists whining about how the OP is unfair. It's so amazing, I must ...

:kick:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:08 PM
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28. and off you go to the GP
i love the sweet sound of backfiring
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:09 PM
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29. It is kind of amusing, isn't it?
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:15 PM
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30. in what reality are all you keyboarders living?
what are you trying to accomplish by pumping this story up ?

Well, I know the answer to that , but seriously, just because yoour candidate isn't on a win track doesn't mean this sort of shit resonates anywhere.

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desi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:22 PM
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31. "If Clinton has proof that Obama sold drugs, she needs to
disclose it."

Well I think that if YOU have proof that Hillary made such a claim then it's up to YOU to disclose it. Have at it...
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:23 PM
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32. Locking
Flame-Bait.
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