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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:40 AM
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Amazing... CNN Promotes All of Their Polling and Tracking of Iowa Voters Then...
They shove it all under the table as quick as they can so as few people as possible see it. Why? Because the wrong result occurred! John Edwards blew away all the competition by double figure margins.

Post debate, 10 minutes of Gloria Borger et al telling US... what WE saw. Then, Donna Brazille, now a corporate media flunky using her political celebrity as a persuasive rather than an analytical tool tells voters that "the two top tier candidates, Hillary and Obama did well and then goes on to name the so called second tier candidates one by one as performing effectively and then concludes, saying Oh and John Edwards did "OK" too. :wtf:

Does Ms Brazille think that we are all morons? :bounce:This is a purposeful attempt by Ms Brazille, employed by the corporate media and UNDER CORPORATE MEDIA CONTROL says what she is instructed to say. Check the CNN website RIGHT NOW and take note that there is nary a note about the debate, NO mention of what the public thought about the debate despite their well publicized effort appearing thusly below.

All I can say is that the Public thankfully... IS GETTING IT and particularly in Iowa, they will not be fooled by this corporate propaganda machine that is the MSM in particular the Clinton Nominating Network :wtf:

Precisely what John Edwards is citing as the Corporate locus of control over what remains of our "democracy" is what IS destroying the middle class and the aspirations of our children.

Go John Edwards :applause: The people are working hard on your behalf and will vote and caucus in the majority for your candidacy.

:bounce: Iowans, The future of the planet rests on your shoulders.:think

Great Job John Edwards! Steady and Presidential, remaining above the fray.



From Shirley Zilberstein
CNN
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JOHNSTON, Iowa (CNN) -- Politics meets technology Thursday as a group of undecided Iowa Democrats has allowed themselves to be wired for the debate of Democratic presidential hopefuls.
art.debate.dial.pbs.jpg

A dial-test graph is displayed over candidate Rudy Giuliani during a recent GOP debate.

By the end of the debate, CNN hopes to be able to gauge which debater was the group's favorite and whose popularity fell -- and perhaps -- who may win the first-in-the-nation presidential caucuses on January 3.

Across town, six Democratic candidates will be facing off for their final scheduled debate in the Hawkeye State before caucus night. The debate is hosted by the Des Moines Register and Iowa Public Television.

Each member of the randomly selected group will watch the debate on a large-screen TV while operating special hand-held dial-testing devices which are approximately the size of typical remote-control devices.

Viewers will react to the debate as it happens -- second-by-second -- as they move their dials to the right or the left. Dialing right indicates a positive response and dialing left represents a negative response.

Southern Methodist University professors Rita Kirk and Dan Schill will track the average response of the group corresponding with each moment of the debate. Responses will be represented by a moving line on a video monitor.
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* Clinton enters debate with race wide open

The group of Iowans, randomly selected by phone from a list of registered voters, will be recording their impressions of every moment of the debate.

The Democratic participants will answer a series of questions both before and after the debate, to determine how the event may change their minds about the candidates.

Among the questions to be posed before the face-off: Who do the group members think will perform best in the debate?

Afterwards, they'll be asked who they think did the best. They also will be asked who they would vote for if the election were held today and who they think will win the nomination.

All participants are planning to attend caucuses, but have yet to pick a candidate. Some are wavering between two candidates while some are considering several. They're hoping to get a better sense of the race from watching this debate, and CNN is hoping to get a better sense of their impressions of the debate by watching them. E-mail to a friend E-mail to a friend

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:46 AM
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1. Do you have a link on this?
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:50 AM
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2. Will put the link up.
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:52 AM
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3. Link to Prince and Trippi Interview.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/12/at...


Excellent interview, both loose and feeeeel'n goooood 'bout Edwards chances.
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:54 AM
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4. Here is the CNN link You Requested.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:58 AM
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5. A focus group is not the same as "polling and tracking of Iowa voters"
It tells you something, but it is not a scientific poll, and I believe CNN made that clear yesterday.
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:59 AM
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6. Thanks, Kitty
I've been noticing this weirdness too. Edwards is the elephant donkey in the room no one in the MSM seems to want to acknowledge.

:kick: and Recommended
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:05 AM
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8. Thank you and I understand about polling, there was however three separate...
well publicized efforts undertaken by the media, two by CNN and one I believe by FOXwhich at least two out of three gave Edwards a double digit decisive nod among likely Iowa caucus participants.


Here's a link to some good Edwards video from the debate/forum.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/14/john-edwards-o...


Goooo John Edwards! :woohoo: To Restore America for Today... and For Our Children Who Will Inherit Her From Us Tomorrow! :think:
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:29 AM
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12. You are mistaking focus groups for polling.
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 11:29 AM by rinsd
Here are all the latest polls in Iowa

Poll	          Date      Sample  Obama   Clinton    Edwards   Richardson Biden	Spread
RCP Average 12/03 - 12/10 - 29.8 27.5 21.3 7.3 4.5 Obama +2.3
Rasmussen 12/10 - 12/10 1106 LV 26 29 22 7 5 Clinton +3.0
Strategic Vision (R) 12/08 - 12/10 600 LV 33 25 24 4 4 Obama +8.0
Newsweek 12/05 - 12/06 395 LV 35 29 18 9 4 Obama +6.0
Mason-Dixon 12/03 - 12/06 400 LV 25 27 21 9 5 Clinton +2.0

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/...
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The River Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:04 AM
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7. Excellent Point
"Precisely what John Edwards is citing as the Corporate locus of control over what remains of our "democracy" .."

In individuals, their locus (center, source) of control is either internal or external.
Individuals exercise control over their own lives and actions (internal locus) or they let some one else
control what they do (external).

It seems to me that Republicans are the ones who can't think or act on their own and need to be told what to do
and that Democrats are just the opposite. We will follow good leaders but we still maintain control over our
thoughts and actions (ie we will follow a leader, but not blindly)

I think the media in general is trying to become the "locus of control" for the entire country
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:06 AM
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9. Right On Targeeeto My Friend!
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The River Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:19 AM
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10. Thanks
and Welcome to DU
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:25 AM
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11. House of Saud controls CNN now - they protect House of Bush - who , in turn, has
been protected by House of Clinton. Not to mention all that Dubai money and power.

If you were House of Saud - House of Bush and Dubai royalty, what Democrat would YOU want in office in 2009?
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:41 AM
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13. Not even KO
mentions Edwards much. Given how well he did in the debate and his high standing on the graph showing how the Dem candidates fared against the repubs (Edwards was tops, for those who didn't see the graph), I was expecting Keith to say something about Edwards on last night's Countdown, but he didn't. Craig Crawford managed to squeeze in a tiny mention of him, but one had to be really listening to catch it.
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