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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:10 AM
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Hillary's supporters are growing more and more shrill as desperation grows...
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 11:14 AM by Wolsh
Hilliary's supporters are getting desperate and frustrated. Look at the amount of unsubstatiated charges that are going around concerning other cadidates. More importantly look at all the EXCUSES starting to creep in to explain away the falling star that is Hillary Clinton.

So far today, we've heard Clinton is going to lose Iowa because:

* The MSM hates her!! (never mind that the MSM loved her before it became clear she just wans't running a good campaign)
* Iowa doesn't matter, MI will be her firewall! (never mind that she's the only person on the ballot in MI)
* Iowa doesn't matter because Obama is bringing in students from out of state (never mind these students live in Iowa and legally have the right to vote)

Hillary's fans are also resorting to the GWB fear factor tactic with gems like these:

* Obama is BLACK!!!!! and can't win in November.
* The media is about to take down Obama (never mind he's running a smart campaign)


The deseperation is just reeking on this board today. If the above is the best excuses Hillary and her team can come up with, its going to be a long, long, New Year.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:12 AM
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1. So... by your logic... Clinton is going to lose Iowa because...
"* Obama is BLACK!!!!! and can't win in November.
* The media is about to take down Obama (never mind he's running a smart campaign)"

:wtf:
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:12 AM
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2. Touche, thats poorly worded.
I'll edit it, thanks for the heads up friend.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:13 AM
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3. No problem...
I was a bit confused there. Hehehe.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:14 AM
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4. Welcome to politics. It's certainly not just Hillary's supporters.
This place is swimming in hyperbole, and Hillary supporters are certainly not the only source.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:16 AM
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5. The last few days they have been...
Just look at the front page.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:27 AM
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The front page of what? DU?
Perhaps you should take a look yourself. I don't see a single story on the front page of DU that is representative of what you claim.

http://www.democraticunderground.com /

In fact, the only items currently on that page with "Hillary" in the title are anti-Hillary posts.

If you're going to make a claim, at least base it in some form of reality.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 03:44 PM
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27. When was that claim made?
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:18 AM
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7. It could be worse:
We could be swimming in Guacamole. ;-)
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:19 AM
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9. True.
There are definitely worse things to be swimming in!
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:17 AM
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6. laughs once, like Hillary on her Sunday of "laugh at every question"
:eyes:
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:21 AM
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10. Don't forget the classic lines...
"Obama started the mud-slinging" and,

"Obama is the one who brought it out in the first place." (Nevermind this was done in 1995 and he's been talking about it openly ever since to stop other kids from engaging in drug use.)
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:18 AM
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8. Desperation? Oprah bounce?
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 11:50 AM by suston96
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics...

Nationally: (Please ignore. Nationals don't count).

12/14/07

Clinton 38

Obama 27

Edwards 14

Iowa:

Survey of 1,106 Likely Dem Caucus Participants
December 10, 2007

Iowa Caucus

Hillary Clinton 29% Barack Obama 26% John Edwards 22%

Edit: I forgot this: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/14/sc-poll... /

The poll of Democratic primary voters (South Carolina) showed Clinton leading with 42 percent, Obama second at 34 percent and former Sen. John Edwards third with 16 percent.

The remaining Democrats were at 3 percent or less.

The poll's sampling error is plus or minus 4.5 for Democratic primary voters.

Obama, who moved up 7 points since the July poll, was helped by increased support among black voters.

While in July, 33 percent of African-American Democrats said they would vote for Obama, he now has 45 percent of their support compared to Clinton's 46 percent.


Yeah, desperation.....


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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:23 AM
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11. Shrill, I think, is you and your Vince Foster Murder posting
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 11:25 AM by lamprey
Any news you don't like is evidence of a fix;
Any news you do like becomes Hillary is (almost) done.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:27 AM
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12. Not on this place it is the Obama supporter who have bashed
and posting sometimes horrible suff, like her killing cats. They are the ones who are messing their pants. Since Obama's support is mostly from the black population, seems he is sunk. There are enough black people in this country to elect him...CNN posted a nationwide poll, especially from South Carolina and noted that the black population is where Obama's support comes from....
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:35 AM
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13. I don't know who is shrill and/or desperate but
Hillary annoys the living shit out of me. She doesn't seem to react well to Obama's little digs, which is a concern because the crap she's getting now is tame compared to what the repukes will throw at her in the general election campaign. If she gets knocked off her game this easily, is she as "tough" as she'd like us to believe?

Nevertheless, I fully intend to support her in the event she becomes the party's candidate.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:43 AM
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14. Study of positive & negative coverage of candidates
THE INVISIBLE PRIMARYINVISIBLE NO LONGER
A First Look at Coverage of the 2008 Presidential Campaign
October 29, 2007

A study by the Project for Excellence in Journalism and the Joan Shorenstein Center on the Press, Politics and Public Policy

In the early months of the 2008 presidential campaign, the media had already winnowed the race to mostly five candidates and offered Americans relatively little information about their records or what they would do if elected, according to a comprehensive new study of the election coverage across the media.
The press also gave some candidates measurably more favorable coverage than others. Democrat Barack Obama, the junior Senator from Illinois, enjoyed by far the most positive treatment of the major candidates during the first five months of the yearfollowed closely by Fred Thompson, the actor who at the time was only considering running. Arizona Senator John McCain received the most negative coveragemuch worse than his main GOP rivals.

There's alot more at the link - http://journalism.org/node/8187

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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 03:43 PM
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26. Thanks rinsd
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:33 PM
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30. Link doesn't work
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 04:35 PM by Prophet 451
EDIT: Now it works. *grumble, grumble*. Don't mind me, having a senior moment.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:47 AM
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15. they don't come more shrill than you.
and no one tosses more dogshit around here than you do.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:07 PM
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16. Me? Cali, you must be jesting.
I'm sure you replyed to the wrong post.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:20 PM
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17. You have to remember when you are accused, usually the accuser has
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 12:22 PM by EV_Ares
an awful lot of insight,knowledge and guilt of the accusation they are making themselves. You could be innocent in this case.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 02:29 PM
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20. "no one tosses more dogshit around here than you do."
You gotta be kidding. I can think of about ten right of the top of my head without even trying who are way worse here. Jesus, if only we could name names on this board. x(
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:24 PM
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18. The desperation has been going on for some time now. However, within
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 12:30 PM by EV_Ares
the last day or two, they have a good reason to get desperate. It is like dominoes falling, first IA, then NH and it appears SC could be going as well.

You are correct in all aspects.

Fun to watch isn't it.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:27 PM
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19. You are right all points! nm
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 03:37 PM
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21. Actually, Hillary is not the only Dem on the Michigan ballot...
Dennis was preparing his paperwork but did not get it completed in time to be pulled off the ballot.

If ya want to be president, then you have to be on the ballot. The boycott was a serious mistake on the part of the DNC.

Hillary wants to be president, so she stayed on the ballot.

Dennis is on the ballot because he doesn't know what he is doing.
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Franc_Lee Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 03:39 PM
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22. Reality can be a 'bitch' sometimes...
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 03:40 PM
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24. Why Don't You Just Say You Think Hillary Is A Bitch
Get it off your chest....
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 03:47 PM
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28. oh that's clever.
:eyes:
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 03:39 PM
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23. "shrill"
:eyes:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 03:41 PM
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25. The Guy In Twenty Two Called Her A Bitch
DSB
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:32 PM
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29. Let's not lie, Obama's colour is going to matter
Like it or not, Obama's ethnicity is going to make a difference to some people. I guess the question is whether America has moved on enough that the people it will matter to are a small enough number not to matter. I'm a Brit so I couldn't say.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:45 PM
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31. I seem to remember
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 04:45 PM by PATRICK
a lot of similar things when Dean and Kerry campaigns had severe setbacks. A little compassion is in order and a little help looking into the group mirror. What does it say about the real strengths and values of the supporters, even more than the candidates? Who really is pulling the negative strings? The Bush tools, the strings, the mouthpieces. Just calm it down.
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