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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:21 AM
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Prediction: The media is about done building Obama up
they will soon seek to tear him down.

It's what they do.

Ask Howard Dean.

It's ratings.

Obama's camp is about to know the flipside of the coin.


Just a prediction.
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VarnettaTuckpocket Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:28 AM
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1. Hopefully McClurkin will be singing the blues by Super Tuesday n/t
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:38 AM
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2. I think the media wants the GOP to run against Obama
Cal it a hunch, but they don't want Hillary because she'll win and they don't want Edwards, he'll end media consolidation and, *gasp*, break up the media giants that exist today.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:47 AM
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3. What a disaster that would be.
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 05:26 AM by Skip Intro



He's so vulnerable, on so many fronts.

Whining will not be an effective counter to repukes raising issues. He will have to finally answer, and justify, his past with his current image.

He will have his ass handed to him, and it will be to the detriment of our party.



edited to add the missing "n"


full disclousre, dammit
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 04:58 AM
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4. I agree fully. Obama is a loser in 2008.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:30 AM
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11. zzzzzzz
:boring:
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:01 AM
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21. Another drive by post by Dave Dunham
Where's the substance?
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:15 AM
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23. Hi. I believe Obama would be a sure loser
Just another guy in his mid 40's' opinion if that helps with "substance".
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 05:41 AM
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5. Pretty vague!
I don't see anything in your post that shows why he cannot win.

He can win because he can effectively run against Iraq and Iran. Hillary, not so well because she not only voted for Bush's Cake Walk In IraQ but she voted for kyl-lieberman. So how is she gonna clobber the Rep opponent for his support for the war?

Yesterday's debate showed me he can think on his feet during a debate.

Either Obama, Edwards or Biden could win a landslide in November. Hillary, not so much.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:45 AM
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15. I don't buy that crap at all...
If Hillary loses the nomination to a virtual newcomer on the national scene...what does that say about how "strong" the impenetrable Clinton Machine is? Beating her is proving he's no push over nationally.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 05:48 AM
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8. Edwards would do that?
Funny, he wasn't for it four years ago.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:00 AM
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9. as an Obama (I'm pretty sure) supporter said in another thread, 2004 is so yesterday.
really, I'm not making this up
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:26 AM
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27. Yeah, but Kerry was, and that's why Kerry was getting the lion's share of smears then.
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 10:29 AM by blm
The media pundits said for months that Kerry's campaign was dead in the water and did so constantly after this senate action by Kerry in June 2003:

Kerry Seeks to Reverse FCC's "Wrongheaded Vote"

Commission Decision May Violate Laws Protecting Small Businesses; Kerry to File Resolution of Disapproval

Monday, June 2, 2003

WASHINGTON - Senator John Kerry today announced plans to file a "Resolution of Disapproval" as a means to overturn today's decision by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to raise media ownership caps and loosen various media cross-ownership rules.

Kerry will soon introduce the resolution seeking to reverse this action under the Congressional Review Act and Small Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act on the grounds that the decision may violate the laws intended to protect America's small businesses and allow them an opportunity to compete.

As Ranking Member of the Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship, Kerry expressed concern that the FCC's decision will hurt localism, reduce diversity, and will allow media monopolies to flourish. This raises significant concerns about the potential negative impacts the decision will have on small businesses and their ability to compete in today's media marketplace.

In a statement released earlier today regarding the FCC's decision, Kerry said:

"Nothing is more important in a democracy than public access to debates and information, which lift up our discourse and give Americans an opportunity to make honest informed choices. Today's wrongheaded vote by the Republican members of the FCC to loosen media ownership rules shows a dangerous indifference to the consolidation of power in the hands of a few large entities rather than promoting diversity and independence at the local level. The FCC should do more than rubber stamp the business plans of narrow economic interests.

"Today's vote is a complete dereliction of duty. The Commissioners are well aware that these rules greatly influence the competitive structure of the industry and protect the public's access to multiple sources of information and media. It is the Commission's responsibility to ensure that the rules serve our national goals of diversity, competition, and localism in media. With today's vote, they shirked that responsibility and have dismissed any serious discussion about the impact of media consolidation on our own democracy."


FYI - Obama recently joined Kerry on the media issue and I am sure he is fully expecting the same treatment Kerry got, but we now have a Dem PARTY more willing to defend the nominee in the media - unlike McAuliffe and the Dem spokespeople who only knew how to defend Clintons' problems.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:07 PM
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33. Obama has plenty of cross-over appeal with moderate Repugs and Independents
Look at how Hillary was "inevitable" and how Obama's support (which I've seen in grassroots efforts over the months) has clearly shown he is a strong candidate with as much money as Hillary, only from a much larger base.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 05:42 AM
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6. Your premise is right..
But the timing is wrong.. The media will wait until he's the nominee, almost a year from now.

Obama's only function is to knock Hillary out of contention.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 05:45 AM
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7. Wow. I'm still trusting them to do the right thing in the end.
fool me once, duh.


I'm embarrassed.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:06 AM
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17. When the msnbc is making your decisions for you..
ding...ding...ding! :nuke:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:16 AM
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10. Obama Oprahed prematurely.
Now that she's gone, people who were drawn in by her celebrity are left looking at Barack alone on the stage.
And he just ain't all that.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:35 AM
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12. Well they only have about a week.
Christmas weekend starts next Saturday.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:47 AM
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13. Probably so
It's what they do. It's time for an Edwards love fest such as he received in 2004 right about now. Biden will get a good bit of lovin' finally. Hillary will get some back. I disagree on your low opinion of Obama and I think we will see him handle what comes. But as for the media and its ways, you are certainly correct. Time for the flip side.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:17 AM
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25. I tend to agree that Edwards and Biden will get boosted.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:03 AM
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14. Don't you mean, 'I HOPE they will soon seek to tear him down'?
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:55 AM
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16. Then again the msm have done what they intended to do and
that is for the past 36 days only 5 of these days was reporting about the HRC campaign positive. This was following the Nevada debate.Sure, some of this can be blamed on HRC for her Pa. debate non performance and answers about licenses. The msm did something oprah could not do and that is report postive about obama and negative against HRC and of course this moved the obama numbers. Not that obama did anything spectacular, he has not. I doubt serious the msm will try and find anything negative about obama and that's the shame.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:09 AM
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18. And the unrelenting attacks against Hillary by Edwards..
a non-issue?
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gorekerrydreamticket Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:30 AM
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19. I don't think so... I think that Obama vs. the Clintons is a story they want to keep going as long
as they can...And yes, I do believe that the MSM types make those sorts of calculations.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:58 AM
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20. I've been thinking it will start a week before the Iowa caucus - or it
could start after Iowa and just before the NH vote. Unless one of the candidates does something they can't afford to spin in the meantime.

I'm really curious to see what happens with Edwards and Biden in all this.

This is the first time I have stepped back and watched it all unfold. I have to admit, I was naive enough to think this wasn't really true (media manipulation to the extent it happens) but you really can't miss it, if you're paying attention.

I've been focusing on CNN's game, but I should look at MSNBC more clearly.

I'd like to think that we can find a way to stop all the manipulation...but I'm not sure how. And i'm not sure it's just about ratings anymore either.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:14 AM
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22. Sadly, I agree.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:15 AM
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24. Obama would have to screw up first, and so far...
He's running too smart of a campaign to drop the ball this close to the goal.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:22 AM
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26. Thats the whole point Wolsh. He doesn't have to screw up.
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 10:24 AM by wlucinda
They just twist and turn things to get the results they want. The MSM takes missteps that both Obama and Hillary have made, and make it into BIG NEWS when it shouldn't have been, ignore real content from any of the candidates, and give us sound bites to focus the attention where they want it. Other then a MAJOR screw up...which isn't likely to happen, the MSM just push and pull to "make" news.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:08 AM
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28. What SMALL slip up did the MSM blow up on Hillary?
Her demise is of her own making.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:23 AM
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29. The driver's license for undocumented workers ring any bells?
Apparently your memory is quite selective.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:27 AM
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30. That was a while ago...
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 11:28 AM by Bullet1987
and the fact that Obama sort of agreed with her leveled that out. More recently, Hillary going negative with the Madrassa emails and now the "Obama is a drug dealer" meme is going to hurt her MUCH more in the coming weeks than the undocumented free workers gaffe. That has nothing to do with the MSM...that's CLINTON'S own fault.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:44 AM
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32. She got way more shit for that than Obama & it was the start of the negative media cycle for her.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:28 AM
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31. The kindergarten thing. The real news was that Obama called her out on something
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 11:29 AM by wlucinda
(her desire to be Pres) and claimed he hadn't planned to do it, when he actually had. There are interviews, in major papers, with people who know him, who are saying he has always wanted to run for Pres. Rather than calling him on his mis-statement, they attacked her about her her joke that even his kindergarten teacher knew he wanted to be Pres. The truth is, there are lots of documented articles about Obamas desire to run (including a statement from said teacher - that wasnt made up.)

They chose to slap her with the joke coverage and ignore the reality.

Which they will do with every single candidate. And that's the part that sucks. They can be correct in what they are saying, and it still gets spun by the media.
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