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ariesgem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:11 AM
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More Blacks Lean Toward Obama
Shift in Allegiance From Clinton
Could Tighten Primaries in South
By JONATHAN KAUFMAN and VALERIE BAUERLEIN
December 14, 2007; Page A5

Barack Obama's rising poll numbers among white voters in Iowa and New Hampshire are having an unexpected ripple effect: Some black voters are switching their allegiance from Hillary Clinton and lining up behind him too. That could mean a further tightening of the Democratic presidential race, especially in southern states where blacks make up as many as half of Democratic primary voters.

The evidence of movement is most clear in South Carolina, site of the first primary where black votes figure to make a significant impact. There, four polls now show Illinois Sen. Obama with a lead among African-American voters for the Jan. 26 vote. As a result, the race in South Carolina has tightened, with some polls calling it a dead heat. A Rasmussen poll completed last week among South Carolina voters shows Mr. Obama now attracting 51% of the African-American vote, compared with 27% for Mrs. Clinton. A month ago, the candidates were tied among South Carolina black voters. Along with other polls, Rasmussen shows the two candidates essentially tied among all South Carolina voters.

Readings of the national black vote are less clear, but there are suggestions of movement there also. A Pew Research poll completed late last month shows New York Sen. Clinton and Mr. Obama virtually tied among black voters nationwide; two months ago Mrs. Clinton held a 12-point advantage. But an ABC News/Washington Post poll this week shows Mrs. Clinton still with a commanding lead among African-Americans nationwide.

"We're in a better position today than ever before, and a significant amount is due to the movement of African-American voters," says Steve Hildebrand, Mr. Obama's deputy campaign chairman.

snip.............

The black vote is likely to be crucial in the cascade of primaries that follow Iowa and New Hampshire next year. Blacks make up almost half of Democratic primary voters in South Carolina and Georgia, one third in Virginia and a quarter in Tennessee. They also make up a fifth of primary voters in New York and 15% in Delaware and Ohio.

A big factor behind the rise in black support for Mr. Obama in South Carolina appears to be his popularity among white voters, though he is also expanding his outreach to black voters, and many of his views, especially his opposition to the Iraq war and support of social programs, resonate strongly with them.

"I see how charisma is among other races," says Ed Robinson, owner of Posh soul-food restaurant in downtown Florence, S.C. "He has been able to attract people from all races." Mr. Robinson said he strongly considered backing Mrs. Clinton but has now decided to back Mr. Obama.

"A lot of African-Americans in the South have questions about whether a black candidate can be elected president," says David Bositis of the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, which studies black issues. "Picking someone who is going to have a good chance to win is very much on their minds. If Obama shows he can win and that white voters can vote for him, there will be a lot of African-Americans who will be lining up to support him."

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB1197598765069286...
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:30 AM
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1. Never doubted it would happen for a minute.
What Chris Rock said at the Apollo. ;)
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:37 AM
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2. Chris the racist Rock!
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:39 AM
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3. Get help
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:44 AM
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4. Rock says that the "white lady" can't help the black community.
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 12:50 AM by AX10
even though the "white lady" has stood for the rights of the minority community time and time over!

I cannot support Obama in the GE. I am tired of his supporters bashing anyone who critizises him!

There is a severe problem on the left.
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proudmoddemo Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:51 AM
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5. Chris was right
The "white lady" has run a racially based smear/racist campaign, the most racist campaign in the Democratic Party since the Civil Right's movement. (I am not calling Clinton racist, I am just noting the truth, which is that her campaign is pathetically racist. It's a shame, it's could undo all that Bill did on the issue).
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:54 AM
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7. She has run a racist campaign now?
LIES! All LIES!

Oh, and Chris Rock can go fuck off too! I don't want to hear from him either! :thumbsdown:
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proudmoddemo Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:38 AM
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10. Gee...how
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 01:40 AM by proudmoddemo
Creating the image of the black candidate as a drug dealer. Spreading e-mails full of lies about Obama's religion. The use of the word "presumptuous." And having a top supporter and say/laugh at "Bill Clinton dated more black women than Obama." And then denying. Please. It's a spade, and I am calling it such. The Clinton campaign run by Mark Penn will go down as one of the most vile and racist in history.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 05:37 AM
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17. gee, Obama sent out an email calling Clinton
(D)Punjab. Indian Americans thought THAT was racist. And she's hardly responsible for Andy Young- who IS black, making an idiot remark. The volunteers who forwarded that disgusting email were kicked out pronto. And Shaheen left her campaign as well- though I don't think his comments were racist.

Your bullshit is vile. Not to mention stupendously ignorant. Educate yourself on the southern strategy and real racist campaigns before you demonstrate that you know so little.
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proudmoddemo Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:24 AM
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19. Has Clinton Said This Yet?
"Although I was not aware of the contents of the memo prior to its distribution, I consider the entire campaign -- and in particular myself -- responsible for the mistake," Barack Obama June 19, 2007.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_2007061...

Obama, unlike Clinton, takes responsibility for what happens on his watch.

Gee, a politician not taking responsibility for the actions of their henchmen is such a "change."
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:57 PM
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27. Her supporters are pushing the "he can't win because he's black" meme
And she's still subtly pushing the "Obama has secrets but I don't" meme.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 05:33 AM
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16. bullshit. You clearly have never heard of the "Southern Strategy"
Lee Atwater or the bush 2000 campaign smears against McCain. It's a shame people blabber on with such igorance here. Clinton has not run a racist campaign.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:52 AM
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6. Yeah, and now one of the white lady's top officials has floated the idea of Obama as a drug dealer
so we're even.

Actually, we're more than even. Chris Rock, comedian, humor, joke. You're going to equate whatever he might say as a comedian at the level of a state campaign chair talking to the media?

Plus, he didn't say she can't help the black community. The joke was how silly black leaders would feel if they backed her and Barack won. It was funny, and everyone with a sense of humor laughed.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:31 AM
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9. Why are you so bitter?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:44 AM
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12. Why can't you support Obama in the GE?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 05:06 AM
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15. That is not what he said at all
He said black folks were going to be embarrassed if Obama wins and they have to say they went with the white lady. It's funny. Laugh.
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ariesgem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:00 AM
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18. So you wouldn't vote for Obama in the GE....
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 06:00 AM by ariesgem
It's obvious where you're coming from. You seem to be more than happy to agree with this statement-

"He has no experience, no record, is totally naive, he's black, would need the South to win. Conservatives can throw anything onto a person who the public doesn't know about and have it stick. They have people believing that he was schooled in a Madrassa, and has Muslim ties. His middle name is Hussein. People are not going to elect a guy with no experience to handle a world at war."

from this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Obama will win without your vote. You certainly do not represent the majority.



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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:56 PM
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26. BS... he never said that.
Prove it.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:42 AM
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11. AX10.... you have issues...


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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:25 PM
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25. The Obama groupies have the issues.
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ariesgem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:27 AM
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8. After Camp Hillary's "Obama MAY HAVE SOLD drugs" bit
all the more proves that Chris Rock spoke the truth.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 05:04 AM
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13. I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt the whole "drug dealer" crap
was racist.

It hit me in my gut when I heard that. I was really offended...and I'm not black. I can't imagine how upset I would be if I were.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 06:40 AM
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20. Yeah, you're not the only one.
Bringing up the fact that he used drugs as a teenager didn't bother me so much sense he wrote about that. But the whole implying that Obama might have been a drug dealer pissed me off. I don't remember Bush and Bill Clinton being asked if they sold drugs to anyone. Only the black man gets that question.

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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 05:06 AM
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14. Is he the frontrunner yet?
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 07:01 AM
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21. "An ABC News/Washington Post poll...shows Clinton still with a commanding lead..."
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:17 AM
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22. Would that be a
'gangsta lean'?

:evilgrin: :evilgrin:
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:25 AM
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23. huh???????? n/t
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:17 AM
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24. I'm a white male living in the South...
And I would vote for Obama in the GE. (I should add that I was born and raised in Yankee states, but I have lived in Florida for 38 years.)

I remember watching Obama on the Monday night football pregame show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Iy2O1j6KQ

I rewound the TIVO, called my daughter and son in law into the room and said "This man will be our next President."

The biggest positive Obama has is his personality. Hillary biggest drawback is her lack of personality. If she had the disposition and character of John Edwards wife, Elizabeth, she would win a hell of a lot more votes.

As it is, Hillary reminds me of my ex wife.



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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:58 PM
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28. "As it is, Hillary reminds me of my ex wife."
:rofl:
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