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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:00 PM
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"If Barack Obama were white, he'd already be the nominee."
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 11:01 PM by BeyondGeography
The Beginning of the Underground Campaign
By Richard Reeves

WASHINGTON -- A well-connected friend in the Hillary Clinton campaign let this slip after a tour of early primary states: "If Barack Obama were white, he'd already be the nominee."

Whoa! So it begins.

...Then comes the long, dirty season, which will peak in the last weeks of October 2008. There will be some overlap between serious and dirty because they are both for the highest of stakes. Whispers about candidates are directly proportional to their chances for nomination or election. Obama's race, for instance, or Romney's religion only come into heavy play -- word of mouth, anonymous phone calls, unsigned leaflets -- when it looks as if they may win. When the going gets tough, the tough get dirty.

...As the race gets tougher, and closer, the questions, spoken and rarely spoken, become as fundamental as black and white. Nobody is asking anymore whether Barack is black enough. The reaction to the more than 20,000 South Carolina blacks who came out to see and hear Obama and Oprah Winfrey will sooner or later trigger nasty questions about whether he is too black -- and can we accept a black president? Do we want a woman president, particularly that Hillary woman? Is Rudy Giuliani too New York, too Italian, too married or just too sleazy? Is Romney too Mormon -- and what exactly is a Mormon? Is there room enough for both Mike Huckabee and Jesus in the White House?

...In more recent times than the Adams-Jefferson contest of 1800, polls have also played a role in the underside of American diversity. Without exception in my memory, polls have tended to show black candidates doing better than they eventually do on election days. The latest example was Harold Ford's race for the Senate in Tennessee last year. After both commercials and whispers about him, a black man, and white women, he lost a race that polls indicated he would probably win.

Have we moved past all that? Not completely, I'm sure...==

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucrr/20071214/cm_ucrr/thebeginningoftheundergroundcampaign

Comment: Richard Reeves is a mediocre columnist (and the proof here is he gets the Ford race wrong; polls taken right before the election showed him doing worse than the final result, not better) and he never explains exactly what this Clintonista is trying to say here. But the fact that the rest of his column veers into smearing as political sport tells me it wasn't positive.

As a stand-alone pronouncement, it suggests two things: The Clinton campaign knows at a very deep level it is selling the wrong product at the wrong time, and they are actively using Obama's race in discussions with the press to help them create doubt about their main challenger. Not surprising; just more sleaze from the factory.


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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:01 PM
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1. What "well-connected friend" is this?
No names? Seems like David Axelrod (Obama's Rove) is playing the race card.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:08 PM
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6. Precisely...
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:02 PM
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2. If Barack was white he wouldn't even be in the running.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:03 PM
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3. CHA-CHING!
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:36 PM
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31. Is that the sound of more lobbyist money going down Hillaryworld's gullet?
Or is that another racist sniggering attack on Obama?

Hard to tell...
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:41 PM
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34. The poster is right on the money
Not racist, only the truth.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:14 AM
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53. Fuckin' A.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:05 AM
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48. You know what they say about people in glass houses.
Obama's got almost as much money as Hillary. And just how do you figure that suggesting Obama's race helps him is a racist attack? There was a thread awhile back in which the op was advocating the idea that we give preference to minority and women candidates. Was that being racist? Couldn't you say it's being racist if I said his race hurts him? Should I pretend he's not a minority? He doesn't. I suggest being more careful about jabbing your race dagger into the words of anyone who mentions race in a way you don't agree with. It will dull your blade.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:03 PM
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4. Seconded.....
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:38 PM
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32. Seconding racist mutterings?
The Cackler's Corner is out in force.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:46 PM
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39. Give me a freakin' break....
You tell me what first time candidate for senate would have been able to speak in front of the convetion in Prime time if he wasn't something special...

Granted, he is a rising star but you tell me what other first candidate for senate address te convention in prime time...

This has been my position all along...

You can look it up...
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:52 PM
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42. Why is he a rising star?
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:14 AM
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52. Because he has huge talent...
The reason why he was chosen to keynote the 2004 Democratic National Convention as a sitting State legislator seeking a Senate seat for the first time was because he was a hugely talented rising star who is African American, and that conveyed a very powerful positive message about both the Democratic Party and America's future.

I'm trying to be honest and frank with my opinion here. Had Obama not been hugely talented he would not have been regarded as such a rising star. But had he been a white rising star with the same resume he may well have gotten a prime time speaking spot at that Democratic National Convention, but not the Keynote Addresse. And that has nothing to do with my feeling Obama was not fully capable of giving a rousing and moving speech, which obviously he gave. Not everyone with ability gets the same opportunity. Racism created the need for affirmative action, and affirmative action is designed to give opportunities to people who might otherwise not get them. The Democratic Party welcomed the opportunity to showcase a talented African American rising Star in Boston 2004. Obama did not let them down.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:28 AM
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55. Thanks...his racial background only becomes an advantage as a result of his talent
The "if he was white" thing, I'm sorry that even got started. He's not white, so what's the point? The point of the OP was to show that some on the Clinton side are apparently using his race to create doubts about electability. As I said in my comment, this is neither surprising nor admirable.

Your analysis is level-headed and free of bitterness and envy. Can't say the same for some of the other remarks here.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:48 AM
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66. And that wasn't my point either...
He was given a huge break beacuse he was going to win the Illinois Senate seat...

He was running against Alan Keyes...

And since he was African American, they put him out front as an example of diviersity...

That is why...
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:09 PM
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8. Wow... I can't believe it.
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 11:10 PM by Katzenkavalier
That's kinda racist right there.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:14 PM
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10. So pointing out that Obama is using the race card is...
racist? :eyes:

The Obama mob is desperate.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:14 PM
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11. How is he using the race card?
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:21 PM
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15. Using the race card? Just like Hillary is using the gender card?
Why the attack, AX? Your girl slipping on the polls or what?
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:24 PM
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17. Stating a fact.
The Starbucks mafia will cost us this election just as they did in 1972, 1984, and 1988.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:28 PM
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21. Starbucks mafia? What are you talking about?
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:32 PM
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26. The infamous "coastal elitists" in the left of the party
that think they know everything. The one's who give a bad rap to people such as myself.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:36 PM
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30. Those are the people supporting Clinton right now
Or are we ahead in NY and California, too?

Someone is confused.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:40 PM
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33. We are talking about a distinct group of people...
who are economically affluent and out of touch with the working class. That's why I said that those elitists coastalites who are supporting Obama are giving a bad name to people such as I who don't get too hung up on the fads of the moment.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:46 PM
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38. So all of those working class blacks in SC who are starting to turn to Obama
they're just being played by the latte drinkers, right?

If they're just going for Obama because he is black (as you surely believe), why did Clinton start out with such a big lead with them? Could it be they think Obama might actually help the working class?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:43 PM
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35. Interesting that those "coastal elites" ran a guy from South Dakota and one from Minnesota
Maybe the problem was that they were having trouble finding a Starbucks in 1972. :shrug:

Y'know, you might want to consider mixing in a latte or two. Whatever you're drinking is not helping your thought processes. :beer:
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:45 PM
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37. Because those two guys were very liberal.
Even though they were from the middle, they were too far to the left, and they lost, BADLY!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:53 PM
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43. They sucked as candidates. Period.
It had nothing to do with their political beliefs. They just sucked at running for president. If we had nominates a true rock-ribbed, unapologetic progressive, we'd have walked away with all three elections.

Belief in this whole "too far left" bullshit is why the Democrats fell out of power. There is nothing more un-American than not standing up for what you believe in. Voters would rather elect a sincere fascist than a pandering centrist.

The real problem is that the Democrats are not left enough. As long as they continue to kiss corporate ass, they're never going to have a message that resonates with the majority of voters. The day we nominate a real, passionate progressive populist with actual balls is the day the Rethugs say goodbye to the White House forever.




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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:16 PM
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12. What's amazing is how little it took
for them to let their inner racist out.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:20 PM
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:49 PM
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40. That's not a fair presumption to make
I'm white and the fact that Barack is Black is a real reason why I considered supporting him even though I felt his resume was otherwise too thin for a serious Presidential candidate (though I clearly see his natural ability). The fact that Barack is Black gives me added reason to believe that he will emphathize with the needs of the less priviledged in our nation, since racism so often plays out through economics. The fact that Barack is Black is a good part of what helps him represent such a major positive break from politics as usual for many people. It underscores that he represents the future of America more than the past. The fact that Barack is Black could very well work in Americas favor in our relations with the rest of the world if in fact he becomes our President, and that is pretty very relevent right about now and a selling point in his favor. The fact that Barack is Black IS different in a major Presidential candidate, and that difference is a natural new story line that the media found compelling, which helped feed the explosion of media interest in Obama last Fall. The fact that Barack is Black I strongly suspect is one of the reasons why Oprah announced last Fall that she wanted him to run for President - and her so saying greatly fueled the media frenzy for Obama that then erupted and helped give him such powerful buzz.

The fact that Obama is Black is relevent and to my mind positive. It is long overdue that America shatter the final all white bastions of power. It is a disgrace that Obama is the only African American in the U.S. Senate. It is a disgrace that America has only one Black governor, which is one more than usual. All of this builds interest in Obama's candidacy and the historic implications of it, and the opportunity he now gives America to overcome a huge aspect of our racist legacy. If Obama were white none of that would be true. I too believe that if Obama were white he would not have gotten this opening to run for President this early in his political career.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 02:18 AM
Response to Reply #40
63. I doubt the OP had your perspective in mind.
I've never seen him/her string more than two sentences together without slamming Obama.
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:30 PM
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25. That's not fair.
The OP has nothing to back up their claim, but neither do you.

He would be receiving a different kind of media attention, certainly. But to say that he wouldn't be in the running? That's just baseless.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:52 PM
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41. Absolutely right.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #2
44. Ouch
I want to say that isn't true, but I think it might be.
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galledgoblin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:29 AM
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60. way to parrot the anti-affirmative action line
n/t
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Raejeanowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:53 AM
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62. Exacto-Mundo n/t
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 02:27 AM
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65. Waaahhhhh, now it's my turn to "cackle"!!!
I had never thought that, but you're right!!! A former state senator with less than 3 years in the US senate wouldn't have even been considered fit to run for president if he had been just another white guy. He certainly wouldn't have been anointed by the mighty TV Queen.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:54 AM
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67. Bullshit. Just like another candidate from Illinois- Adlai Stevenson
Obama is a very talented and bright individual. And Adlai didn't have much time in elective office either. If Obama is elected president, he'll have been in the Senate for 4 years and in elected office for a total of 10 years.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:55 AM
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68. Nice racist comment.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:07 PM
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5. Not to float tinfoil hat stuff here
But this seems so...Rovian

And no one has heard anything from him lately...
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:08 PM
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7. I completely disagree! What in the world would distinguish him
from a couple of hundred other fairly talented white politicians?
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:26 PM
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18. List them
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:04 AM
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47. I can list a few, but I certainly don't know of them all!
I never heard of Bill Clinton until he ran for Prez! I had never heard of Jimmy Carter either!

I think Sherrod Brown, Jim Webb & Sheldon Whitehouse would be on the list.

As you can see, I know the Senators much better than house members or politicians from individual states because I watch a lot of cspan and cable news shows. There are hundreds of other politicians at the State level that none of us know unless we live in that
State, and even then, many people don't know about them. Just ask the people you work with "Who is your State Senator?" "Who is your State Representative?" Very few will be able to tell you, and if they know their name, fewer yet would be able to recognize a picture of them.

I'm not putting Obama down. All I'm saying is that being black makes him different than many other qualified politicians. It's no different than saying I don't think Hillary would ever be a Senator let alone a Presidential candidate if her name wasn't Clinton.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:35 AM
Response to Reply #47
56. Just kidding, but it should be clear by now to even those who don't support him
that Obama is more than "fairly talented."
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:13 PM
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9. Wow, just wow.
He could not be the nominee
already because the primaries
are not over.

His race has nothing to do with his
ability to do the job if elected.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:18 PM
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13. just curious....
....hmmmmm

"..As the race gets tougher, and closer, the questions, spoken and rarely spoken, become as fundamental as black and white."

....to Obama supporters: At what point did you conclude, America was no longer racist?....just curious....
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:22 PM
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16. I dunno...at what point did you conclude it's OK for supporters of a candidate
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 11:24 PM by BeyondGeography
whose husband is routinely celebrated as being America's first black President to try to use her challenger's race to prevent him from denying her the nomination?
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:27 PM
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19. I don't even know where to begin.
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 11:27 PM by huskerlaw
There is NOTHING...absolutely NOTHING...to support a statement like that. If, in fact, a Hillary staffer said that, then that staffer is sadly mistaken.

And anyone who believes it isn't paying attention to reality.

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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:27 PM
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20. But the fact that Obama is a fairly inexperienced Afro-American hurts him in the general
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:28 PM
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22. The fact that Obama is fairly inexperienced hurts him
it has nothing to do with his skin color.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:28 PM
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23. Your going to get flamed.
But I agree that Obama is inexperienced and wants to play nice with the GOP, who wants all of us dead (that's not a metaphor).
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:39 AM
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58. He may want to "play nice with the GOP"
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 12:41 AM by Laurab
but he doesn't want to BE the GOP like another leading candidate, the one i presume you support. I have been amazed lately at the blindness of some of the Hillary supporters on here. Follow her money trail, follow her friends, follow her votes, for that matter. It's unbelieveable to me that Hillary supporters would try to bash Obama for "wanting to play nice with the GOP", while Hillary is, in many ways, in bed (of course, not literally) with them.

Obama wants to repair the country, and as is often mentioned - Cheney and most of the present administration is extremely experienced. Obama is scary smart, and will surround himself with the best people he can find to advise him - I have no doubt of that. His lack of experience doesn't trouble me - Hillary's "experience" does trouble me. I don't trust her judgement, and for good reason.

I've read about her WH years, she's also my senator, I've watched her votes, and I've watched her campaign. This supposedly "experienced" politician is making one mistake after another, and thankfully, it should lead to her losing a lead that she never should have been given to start with. It was bestowed upon her by the media because of her name, and nothing more, yet she appears to expect to be annointed.

She's keeping you guys busy, defending her, and attacking Obama, and you'll probably be doing more of it as the days go by, so be prepared - in the meantime, you might want to study up on the other candidates, in a POSITIVE way - there are quite a few good ones, and you may need a backup.

edit for typo.
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:29 PM
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24. And if Edwards weren't Southern and if Richardson weren't from New Mexico and . . .
If Obama were white, he'd be an entirely different person, with different experiences that probably led to different perspectives.

In other words, being black is part of who Obama is, just as being Southern is part of who Edwards is, etc. Whether we admit it or not, race is one of the most critical defining factors for life in America.

Obama's race has shaped him just as much as - and, in many respects, more than than - any other aspect of his being and has helped make him who he is. So it's a false paradigm to argue about how things would be for Obama if he were white - he'd be an entirely different person.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:33 PM
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28. This is a quote, reportedly from a Clinton insider
No one from the Obama side endorses it. The question is, what's the motivation behind the quote?

Obama is not white, nor does he have any plans to be white in the future.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:34 PM
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29. Whose name isn't given.
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 12:00 AM by lizzy
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:32 PM
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27. Wow. What an amazing accomplishment that would be,
considering there haven't been any primaries yet.
:eyes:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:44 PM
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36. "Is there room enough for both Mike Huckabee and Jesus in the White House? "
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 11:45 PM by Bleachers7
There's plenty of room for Jesus. There's just not enough room for Jesus on a trailer hitch.

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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 11:54 PM
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45. That is a racist statement cause the assumption is since he is
white, then white folks would vote for him regardless even if he were a moron. (the right already had their moron moment with bush) That is what Oprah is telling the black folk. Obama is "the one" meaning he it is okay for black folks to vote for him. The only reason, because he is black. That too is racist and damn stupid.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:04 AM
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46. Is Obama gonna blame this one on Hillary as well?
Because if he goes that far --I doubt I can even vote for him in the general.

Enough already.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:08 AM
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49. Nah, it's just a little story by an even littler columnist
some more American political weirdness to thrash around on a snowy night.

Are we having fun yet?
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:14 AM
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51. I like Obama
I really do.

But I am getting damned tired of this new tactic by newspaper columnists to write up articles about every little thing one of her supporters does.

Is this level of attention being paid to any other candidate?

I'm quite positive there are nimrods in every one of our wonderful Democratic candidates' campaigns who are saying and doing all sorts of horrid little things. Obama's included.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:14 AM
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50. The same group that defended the scurrilous drug attack which Clinton apologized for ...
are now staying right in the gutter with the claim that Obama would not be in the race if he were white.

I wonder if you fucking idiots know how stupid and rotten you look.
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proudmoddemo Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:18 AM
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54. LAME
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 12:18 AM by proudmoddemo
There was no Bradley/Wilder effect at all last year. Ford lost for other reasons--he had problems on the left because he was so conservative. In Maryland, Michael Steele outperformed Bob Ehrlich (both Republicans running for Senate and Governor respectively; Steele is black, Ehrlich is white) in some of the states most conservative counties. I wrote about it on my blog today, did research, and I don't buy it at all.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:36 AM
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57. What is being confused in this discussion is ability and opportunity
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 12:42 AM by Tom Rinaldo
Barack had the ability to be a strong Presidential candidate and that had nothing to do with race. But not everyone who has the ability gets the right opening to run. Sadly for me that was true of Wes Clark this year. Some others might feel the same about someone else, maybe Russ Feingold or Marc Warner. The fact that Obama is Black was, in my opinion, a factor that worked in his favor to receive the early attention and support that he did. That helped him become a serious candidate, but without his own true ability it would not have carried him to the point he now has reached, where he is one of two or three favorites to win the Democratic nomination.

I will also say this. Were Obama White rather than Black, and had he still managed to harness the level of excitement that he did this early in his career, which gave him so much early buzz and grassroots funding making him a real player for the nomination, maybe it would be easier now for him to win the nomination. We can call it a race card that can flip either way, but that really is too emotionally charged a term and ultimaately simplistic. It is simply a race reality, one that can be a political advantage in some instances and a disadvantage in others. It is entirely plausible to me that Obama's race may have worked to his benefit to help create conditions that enabled him to become a serious candidate, while also making it more difficult for Obama to overcome resistance to him becoming the Democrats 2008 candidate for President. Or the opposite. Maybe it will help Obama bring new African American voters onto the voting registry in key elections.

All of this can be argued either way at great length, but the only things I am fairly certain of is that Obama is at least as naturally talented as any Democratic candidate running for President, and that it is extremely unlikely that his race is completely irrelevent to his political fortunes, for better or for worse.
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:52 AM
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59. He may be the eventually nominee, but NO ONE is the nominee before Iowa caucuses.
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fightindonkey Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:51 AM
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61. LMAO. If Barak Had Any Experience He'd Be The Nominee
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 02:19 AM
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64. Um, you do know that no votes have been cast yet, right?
:eyes:
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:09 AM
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69. So, it's just racism holding Barack back? Pure and simple?
Yeah, I don't think so.
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:20 AM
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70. I'm not even going to add my opinion on the OP
because even here on DU where we should be able to talk about these things, we can't without racial problems. How sad..
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