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I have finally reached the end of my rope.

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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Dec-12-07 10:59 PM
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I have finally reached the end of my rope.
I`m a crusty old woman, which is one reason I refuse to point to a pile of dog crap and call it a strawberry sundae. Not even for party unity. Not even in honor of comity. Not even because sometimes a few scraps are better than none. I`m going to actually face reality. Forty-five years of Democratic Party activism have helped me understand the difference between bitching and doing. The sickening mess we`re in today didn`t happen by accident. Homeless folks we ignore, public support of torture, jampacked emergency rooms, decaying ghettos, packed prisons, obscene national debt, the destruction of Iraq, boarded-up factories....happened why? Because the majority cared so damned much?

Imagine. Broken soldiers wandering around Walter Reed (hile some of their comrades start their third or fourth deployment) and we show our "support" by demanding tax cuts and displaying yellow ribbon magnets? But Democratic leaders think they need to enter a pissing contest? Are they kidding me? I`m supposed to be glued to my teevee to determine who goes to church most often? Who is the True Christian? Who is willing to kill the most people to keep me free? Who is willing to use a nuke? Great. Let homeless children pace the sidewalks while I listen to a debate on which churchgoer loves his/her family the most and which Jesus Lover is willing to bomb Iran. This is more like a circus than a circus. Is Edwards` house too big? Did Obama inhale? What about Hillary`s cackle? My head hurts. All this and we`re debating torture? Or as Kit Bond calls it....the "backstroke."

Maybe Pelosi could have a friendly meet and greet at the White House so the next war funding request can be a joint effort with Junior Bush. Maybe our Senate leadership can be in the next Barney video. There`s always hope when you work things out with your "friends" across the aisle. In the meantime, I can`t think of one government agency that hasn`t been defiled, one right that hasn`t been trampled. None of this could have happened without the help of a big chunk of Democrats. One day they`re at their microphones promising oversight and the next minute they`re huddled out of sight making a deal with the devils. Compromise is one thing. Sacrificing principles is quite another.

The CIA torture tapes did it for me. Why do you suppose that Democrats....my party....didn`t present themselves en masse with a thunderous, crystal clear statement of revulsion? Is it the same reason they can hear reports of collective financial struggles and still stuff bills with inexcusable pork?
Is it the same reason they can shamelessly sign up for getaway weekends while soldiers from their own districts get sent to Iraq for the third time? Is it the same reason they can hold galas in Georgetown but ignore New Orleans?

We can make excuses `til the cows come home, but if we don`t get some fresh blood and a giant charge of backbone, there isn`t going to be anything left of the Democratic Party. We`ll just meld with the Republicans into a giant corporation-driven inetrest group that concentrates on treasure chests and re-elections. Every single time we look the other way and make excuses for unaccountable, unresponsive leaders, we contribute to our own demise. If they know who we are when they want a contribution, they should know who we are when we want an end to war and torture. We`ve overlooked way too much and required way too little. Time for change.

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   i agree i am done with the dem party and its cheesey brain dead supporters  natrat   Dec-13-07 11:24 AM   #1 
   Another crusty says Thank You, Democrank. Well done. n/t  anitar1   Dec-13-07 04:37 PM   #35 
   ttt  Blue_Tires   Dec-13-07 11:29 AM   #2 
   They are goddamn cowards, aren't they?  speedoo   Dec-13-07 11:35 AM   #3 
   Oh My Gosh!  dan_dy   Dec-13-07 11:43 AM   #4 
   Hey, let's just vote for the corporate-loving candidates! Yeah, that'll work. n/t  antigop   Dec-13-07 11:49 AM   #5 
   Seriously, thanks for that. You have expressed what many of us feel. n/t  antigop   Dec-13-07 11:49 AM   #6 
   spot on  AlecBGreen   Dec-13-07 12:01 PM   #7 
   Amen, We have do NOTHING DEMOCRATS in office to vote out.  notanotherday   Dec-13-07 12:05 PM   #8 
   Until we can admit that we're part of the problem,  crawfish   Dec-13-07 12:10 PM   #9 
   I'm 82. I've resigned from the Democratic Party and joined the  bushisdirt   Dec-13-07 12:49 PM   #10 
   Part of the problem is that the Democratic Party is the Party of the Feeling Nice crowd  truedelphi   Dec-13-07 01:00 PM   #11 
   SEND THIS TO YOUR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS  shireen   Dec-13-07 01:07 PM   #12 
   Good Cop. Bad Cop  OxQQme   Dec-13-07 01:08 PM   #13 
   Sounds like that comes right from the heart. I can hardly wait until  applegrove   Dec-13-07 01:16 PM   #14 
   They don't care who we are. I got a call recently  closeupready   Dec-13-07 01:44 PM   #15 
   "We`ll just meld with the Republicans into a giant corporation-driven inetrest group"  redqueen   Dec-13-07 01:48 PM   #16 
   That's Hitting The Nail On The Head  Dinger   Dec-13-07 01:54 PM   #19 
   None Could Have Expressed This Better  CherokeeDem   Dec-13-07 01:50 PM   #17 
   Magnificently expressed  The Traveler   Dec-13-07 01:54 PM   #18 
   k & r. Wonderful rant.  Arkansas Granny   Dec-13-07 01:54 PM   #20 
   Well said democrank..  kentuck   Dec-13-07 01:56 PM   #21 
   Kick  The M Double   Dec-13-07 01:57 PM   #22 
   Recommendation #181  Generator   Dec-13-07 02:07 PM   #23 
   Excellent!!  bushwentawol   Dec-13-07 02:09 PM   #24 
   K & R, spot on. Amen. n/t  Truth2Tell   Dec-13-07 02:15 PM   #25 
   it's kind of sobering  mpendragon   Dec-13-07 02:21 PM   #26 
   "Time for change."  mzmolly   Dec-13-07 02:26 PM   #27 
   What If  debunkthelies   Dec-13-07 02:49 PM   #28 
   STOP Giving Them OUR MONEY!  Gonnuts   Dec-13-07 02:52 PM   #29 
   Democrank, I'm with you there at the end of your rope,  Enthusiast   Dec-13-07 02:57 PM   #30 
   It all comes down to the MONEY, folks. We've got to get the Dems  mistertrickster   Dec-13-07 03:12 PM   #31 
   From one crusty old woman to another: Thank you very much  seriouslyfrivolous   Dec-13-07 03:25 PM   #32 
   Completely Agree  parkerll   Dec-13-07 03:40 PM   #33 
   Excellent!  xxqqqzme   Dec-13-07 03:41 PM   #34 
   What a truly great post. Thank you. nt  Vinca   Dec-13-07 05:04 PM   #36 
   Let me say WAY TO GO DEMOCRANK! Good for you.  acmavm   Dec-13-07 05:44 PM   #37 
   they aren't listening, but kand r anyway! n/t  bonzotex   Dec-13-07 05:50 PM   #38 
   Boycott "red" corporations and the shows they sponsor and vice  MasonJar   Dec-13-07 05:57 PM   #39 
   As a sister crank  DeanDem10   Dec-13-07 06:08 PM   #40 
   Excellent rant. "Pelosi knew" was supposed to make torture a "bipartisan issue"  McCamy Taylor   Dec-13-07 06:18 PM   #41 
   Kick  redqueen   Dec-13-07 06:32 PM   #42 
   K&R to the Infinite Power! Perfect! True! Long overdue...  puebloknot   Dec-13-07 06:33 PM   #43 
   word.  app_farmer_rb   Dec-13-07 06:36 PM   #44 
   I would love to know who everyone is voting for that responded.  superkia   Dec-13-07 06:42 PM   #45 
   Excellent post. My question: Who among the candidates is working for change NOW?  Peake   Dec-13-07 07:03 PM   #46 
   I suspect you already know the answer.  redqueen   Dec-13-07 07:19 PM   #47 
      Because the Republican Senators would block such a bill, Blaming Dems is so passe.  Major Hogwash   Dec-13-07 10:12 PM   #59 
      Sorry... you go ahead and excuse them for inaction if you want.  redqueen   Dec-14-07 09:58 AM   #64 
      Good point, very telling  OzarkDem   Dec-14-07 08:42 AM   #63 
   Kicking  bonito   Dec-13-07 07:43 PM   #48 
   K & R. Belongs on the FRONT page of every newspaper in the country. nt.  Mr_Jefferson_24   Dec-13-07 08:14 PM   #49 
   Damned magnificent post.  Kurovski   Dec-13-07 08:16 PM   #50 
   Well said!  blossomstar   Dec-13-07 08:18 PM   #51 
   Thank you, democrank!  Mike Nelson   Dec-13-07 08:35 PM   #52 
   Proud to add the 255th Recommend on this  Yael   Dec-13-07 09:14 PM   #53 
   I think the end of your rope is getting pretty crowded...  varelse   Dec-13-07 09:24 PM   #54 
   "Homeless folks we ignore".... thanks for not only mentioning me, but putting me first for a change!  bobbolink   Dec-13-07 09:43 PM   #55 
   color me agreeable! just so much truth there in a few paragraphs n/t  themartyred   Dec-13-07 09:58 PM   #56 
   Best rant ever!!! n/t  whereismyparty   Dec-13-07 10:04 PM   #57 
   Can't stem cells become a backbone?? Maybe if...  Beartracks   Dec-13-07 10:07 PM   #58 
   Bravo!  vmaus   Dec-13-07 10:22 PM   #60 
   We love your Crusty Old Woman  peacetheonlyway   Dec-13-07 10:45 PM   #61 
   Damn that is an inspiration! n/t  oscarmitre   Dec-14-07 07:45 AM   #62 
   Too late to close the barn door,  blindpig   Dec-14-07 10:38 AM   #65 
   Excellent, Excellent Post !!! - K & R !!!  WillyT   Dec-14-07 12:52 PM   #66 
   Posted Upthread - germain here  ProudDad   Dec-14-07 01:09 PM   #67 
 
natrat (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 11:24 AM
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1. i agree i am done with the dem party and its cheesey brain dead supporters
although i will still try to support canidates that embody democratic ideals fullwell expecting to be betrayed-what are ya gonna do
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anitar1 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 04:37 PM
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35. Another crusty says Thank You, Democrank. Well done. n/t
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 11:29 AM
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2. ttt
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speedoo (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 11:35 AM
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3. They are goddamn cowards, aren't they?
The first eye-opener was the IWR. The "yes" votes by Clinton, Kerry, Edwards, etc. etc. were all to protect their flanks against the RW attack machine for their presidential bids. I hate them all for that... so many needless deaths and injuries.
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dan_dy (11 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 11:43 AM
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4. Oh My Gosh!
Someone finally willing to spell it out clearly. Democrank for president.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 11:49 AM
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5. Hey, let's just vote for the corporate-loving candidates! Yeah, that'll work. n/t
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 11:49 AM
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6. Seriously, thanks for that. You have expressed what many of us feel. n/t
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AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 12:01 PM
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7. spot on
nice work ya old crank :hug:
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notanotherday (53 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 12:05 PM
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8. Amen, We have do NOTHING DEMOCRATS in office to vote out.

And vote in Democrats that are ready to fight!
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crawfish (252 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 12:10 PM
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9. Until we can admit that we're part of the problem,
we'll remain part of the problem.

Pure and simple.

Good post.
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bushisdirt (72 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 12:49 PM
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10. I'm 82. I've resigned from the Democratic Party and joined the
Independant Party after being a Democrat for 61 years. Nancy Pelosi is the worst I've ever seen, and I would bet my last dollar she is in some way in cahoots with Bush.

Thank you.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 01:00 PM
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11. Part of the problem is that the Democratic Party is the Party of the Feeling Nice crowd
If rich, they are the ones who live in the big Home near the Bay, Lake, Golf COuase, Etc and oppose housing being built in their County because it means that the Open Space requirements will suffer.

And then they pat themselves on the back and tell themselves that they are a decenthumanitarian/environmentalist.

They are the ones who say unlimited immigration is good. (A disconnect from the first statement about more Open Space, less housing. But who pays attention to disconnects. Paying attention to disconnects does not feel good.)

If rich, they are just as likely as Republicans to take an industry they inherited from Daddy and at the first hint of economic trouble, hit the bankruptcy court, laying off the workers and then using the workers pensions to line their Golden Parachutes.

So the middle class worker ends up travelling miles and miles from the condo in the outskirts into their job in the city, and leaves an ever widening carbon footprint on the earth. But at least he/she ahas some lovely Open Space to look at while enduring the endless commute.

But at least this commuter has a job. Many don't. Outsourcing and seeing to it that the jobs that used to pay well are now done by others from other countries (from meat packing, to restaurant chef-ing, plumbing, carpentry, etc.) means a lot of Americans are just hoping, not working.

Hoping that the convenience store around the corner might have an opening someday that the convenience store owner's realtives are not able to fill.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 01:07 PM
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12. SEND THIS TO YOUR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS
Send them the text, tell them it was posted at DU and to read the responses.
I'm mailing this to Thom.

DEMOCRANK ... :applause:
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OxQQme Donating Member (610 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 01:08 PM
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13. Good Cop. Bad Cop
Mods=Good
Cons=Bad

They be playin' us!

Join the Greens (http://www.gp.org ), or the Socialists (http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html ), and point fingers at the game.
Reach up and break the one way observation window that they have.

V for Vendetta. March on the White House or one of it's state ancillaries with salad forks and hemp oil tiki torches.

DEMAND CHANGE.





(Crusty 67 year old white dude)
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 01:16 PM
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14. Sounds like that comes right from the heart. I can hardly wait until
we do have a democratic President so that we can see the difference they will make. I hope you hold onto a tiny bit of hope. Because I think they are worth it.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 01:44 PM
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15. They don't care who we are. I got a call recently
from a woman asking me to give $$ to the Democratic caucus. When I refused and tried to explain why I was not prepared to do so at this time, she sort of dismissed me and replied, basically, "that's great, and now I have to move on to the next person." What can I say. Too many mercenaries and opportunists.

K&R, by the way.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 01:48 PM
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16. "We`ll just meld with the Republicans into a giant corporation-driven inetrest group"
I think this process is nearly complete already.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 01:54 PM
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19. That's Hitting The Nail On The Head
And you are right redqueen.
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CherokeeDem Donating Member (772 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 01:50 PM
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17. None Could Have Expressed This Better
Thank you, Democrank, for getting to the heart of the problem. You are so right, we have looked the other way too many times and when we haven't, our Democratic leadership has done the looking for us. I, as others on this board, have been a Democratic activist for over 30 years and increasingly in the past few years, I have become so disillusioned with our candidates and our leadership. I at one time vowed to get as many plastic spines I could find and send them to Congress with instructions on where to insert. It is time for a change and we need to make it happen. One poster here has a signature line with a quote from Margaret Mead:

Never doubt that a small, group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.
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The Traveler (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 01:54 PM
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18. Magnificently expressed
You have said what I have been thinking with far greater clarity than I could have mustered. Thanks. K&R, of course.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 01:54 PM
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20. k & r. Wonderful rant.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 01:56 PM
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21. Well said democrank..
Very well said.
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The M Double (67 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 01:57 PM
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22. Kick
Best quick rant in a long time!
Thank you
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 02:07 PM
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23. Recommendation #181
I reached the end of my rope some time ago. I'm not sure I'm old enough to be crusty-but getting close. I had some debate with Will Pitt last year before the November elections and I swore that of course I would vote Democratic-but with utter cynic sm because I knew in my heart nothing and I mean nothing would change. I was proved right. Bitter pill. Nothing will ever change with the Representatives we have now. They are liars and enablers and weak and a few other things. Basically weasels.

Expect nothing from them. Nothing. It will never happen. It's insanity to expect it too. This problem didn't start in 2000-it's been going on a long time-especially traced to Mark Penn-the very man that runs Hillary's campaign now is the one that gave us TRIANGULATION and in my humble opinion ruined the Democratic party. The Clintons didn't ruin it,but they allowed the idea, the belief that continues in spades to this second that you can NEGOTIATE with thieves and criminals.

The Republican party has it stands at this moment is nothing but thieves and criminals. Giving an inch to them only will end up with nothing good-and at the worse they yes, would kill you and me, round us up and torture us. That's why I think I take the torture rather personally. From 9/11-to Iraq-to our civil liberties we are collateral damage to the powers that be-some of them "Democrats".

You do not triangulate with that! Every fucking compromise is one step closer to the absolute death of this country.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 02:09 PM
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24. Excellent!!
It's time for a big change. I'm tired of having Dems cave in time after time. I want a party that actually stands up to the gop. Making nice with them ended long ago. If people like Pelosi do not have the backbone to remove Cheney and * from office it's time to find new leadership.

It's really smelling like one big con game and both major parties are in on it.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 02:15 PM
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25. K & R, spot on. Amen. n/t
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mpendragon (210 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 02:21 PM
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26. it's kind of sobering
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 02:31 PM by mpendragon
One day you stop to take stock of how things are and the kind of place you live and you have to acknowledge that we execute the retarded, torture brown people, and kill people for control of petroleum. I know it's not all bad and we've done some very impressive and humane and brave things in out past as a nation but somehow that makes the current state of things all the more disappointing. It's as if the national spirit has turned decadent, petty, and vicious.

Maybe it's always been like this and it's just the players who've changed. When we needed land the natives were our enemy, when the powerful wanted to keep their cheap labor the communists and socialists were our enemy, and now we just need oil. Maybe our progress is mostly cosmetic and we're all just a few steps removed from self-serving but social beasts with the luxury of doubt.

The thing that troubles me is my role in this. Am I a victim because terrible things are being done in my name as a citizen of this republic or does that make me a perpetrator and in a largely indifferent world which would I rather be? Granted, that could just be a false dichotomy born of the notion that this is all something a bit like a zero sum game.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Dec-13-07 02:26 PM
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27. "Time for change."Updated at 5:42 PM
REAL change, indeed!
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debunkthelies (265 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 02:49 PM
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28. What If
We staged a nationwide walk -out, no work till the Democrats actually do what they promised. End the war,repeal the Patriot Act, repeal the Military Commissions Act, put impeachment on the table, and do it, we could bring this country to a stand still, if we pull together and let them know unless you work for us we won't work for you.

That's the only way I can think of to let the leaders know how important the people of this Country are and how much they need us, not the other way around. We have the power, we just have to use it.
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Gonnuts (525 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 02:52 PM
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29. STOP Giving Them OUR MONEY!
We can all stop this bullshit right now. This April send your tax form back blank save for a red hand-print on it. This government isn't doing a damn thing for us and I see no reason to pay them for not doing their jobs. If I weren't to perform my job my employer wouldn't hesitate in not paying me, so why should we give our money to a government that not only does not perform but works AGAINST our best interests?

What are they going to do if 50 million people perform this Tax Protest? Arrest us all? It's simply - it's direct - and they'll get the message. They won't listen to our voices so take away what they care about most - our money and see what happens. We certainly don't have to worry about essential services not being provided for, not one penny you pay to the US Treasury pays for a single service anyway. It simply pays the interest of the money (our money to begin with) the FRB loans our government. Which in turn the FRB uses to start wars so they can enrich themselves through the shedding of blood. So this is a good thing.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Dec-13-07 02:57 PM
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30. Democrank, I'm with you there at the end of your rope,
I mean I really am. I would like to physically engage in kicking Pelosi's actual ass. I want the Republicans challenged on every fucking issue until it shuts down the entire government. We are at a crossroads.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 03:12 PM
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31. It all comes down to the MONEY, folks. We've got to get the Dems
to represent the MAJORITY (meaning the non-rich) instead of those who buy them off.
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seriouslyfrivolous (8 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 03:25 PM
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32. From one crusty old woman to another: Thank you very much
I too share the distinction of being both old and crusty. Every single thing you wrote is true. I applaud your writing for its clarity and truth telling. I think what you describe as the melding of the political parties is spot on and cuts to the heart of what's evil and despicable about our system of government. But wtf do we do about it? I send money to moveon.org but I will never donate to those fossilized assholes who I see on C-Span each and every day bloviating, lying and preening before a comatose public. Thanks again.
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parkerll (85 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 03:40 PM
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33. Completely Agree
Great post and I feel exactly the same way. I often feel I have no country. I don't belong anywhere.

Can we go to Norway? They sound civilized, rational and secular over there. :)
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Dec-13-07 03:41 PM
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34. Excellent!
The lack of outrage from the 'leadership' has dogged the Democratic Party since December 12, 2000. I was expecting an ROAR of disapproval & outrage when the SCOTUS appointed dimson. I felt betrayed by silence that day and every day since.


I tire of the multiple pleas for money, so I whittled it down to what is important to me. Number 1Getting corporate money OUT of elections would solve numerous problems and weaken the foundation of many more, so a monthly contribution so the CA Clean Money Campaign. Number 2Being staunchly PRO-Choice, a monthly contribution goes to Planned Parenthood because they have been carrying that banner for women longer than anyone else. Number 3Framing the progressive message is paramount to tearing apart the frame RW whackos built, so a monthly contribution goes to Rockridge Institute (George Lakoff co-founded it)Number 4 Howard Dean/DNC gets a monthly because he is trying to build a Democratic majority in spite of backsliders. I wrote letters, made phone calls, attended the 'town hall' to campaign for him to be chair. That monthly contribution is my commitment as long as he holds that position. and finally Number 5 is my monthly to DU because I support the voice it gives to us to praise, to educate, complain, be outraged, be sad, to celebrate; to maintain our sanity during these continuous neo-con assaults on our Constitution and country.

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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 05:04 PM
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36. What a truly great post. Thank you. nt
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 05:44 PM
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37. Let me say WAY TO GO DEMOCRANK! Good for you.
And thank you for putting it in terms that even the dem apologists here MIGHT be able to understand.
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bonzotex Donating Member (658 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Dec-13-07 05:50 PM
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38. they aren't listening, but kand r anyway! n/t
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 05:57 PM
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39. Boycott "red" corporations and the shows they sponsor and vice
versa...boycott the shows like O'Lielly and let the sponsors know. Money is the only thing that these bozos worship. Go to small, local shops!!!!!!! It is time to step up for America with out pocketbooks and billfolds. I have not bought gas at an Exxon since Valdez...join me. Boycott any show this miserable company sponsors and let the producers know why. I have only been to a Walmart once and that was because I was with someone who went to one. Cosco is just as reasonable if one must shop for bargains and supports the blue candidates. Etc.
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DeanDem10 (126 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 06:08 PM
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40. As a sister crank
I thank you for your call to action. As the saying goes, if your not outraged you're not paying attention. But the Cons are trying to label discontent with their outrageous governance a thought crime. WTF?

How do we get enough of a critical mass to be outraged enough to take some action? If every American, who is sick and tired of what's going on and wants it to stop, would get on the phone and call Congress, Congress might get the message.

But what are the odds of that ever happening? A small number makes the calls right now. So, our reps need to hear from all the rest of the electorate. I am betting they'd listen. And if they don't, fire them next fall, and in a cascade of election days thereafter, as they go up for re-election.

I have declared myself a freelance Democrat. I won't vote for a Republican--ever, after the outrageous governing they've gotten away with. But my labor (and pocket change) are what are at issue. I will now only work to elect those who have a spine. The rest are on their own. Imagine how quickly things would change if everyone withdrew $ and free labor from those who sell us out. What if we stopped being used as props at political functions? How many photo-ops have you showed up for just so a great turnout would show in a photo? Many for me!

My last draw was the MoveOn censure. They can't get squat done, barely try to be creative, and they censure a barely left of center group. How radical can a group be if it supported Bill Clinton?

But there have been many added last straws since. Congress needs to de-fund the White House. Give him nothing. Shut down in-Justice. Shut-down the vast spyworks on our own citizens. Shut down every office of State except those assisting US citizens traveling abroad. De-fund all the efforts to overthrow more regimes. Shut down war funding except that which brings the troops home. Shut down all the fake departments which have been so gutted, we have to wait for a Dem to take over just to breathe life in things like environmental enforcement. Close (de-fund) the office of "Special Plans." Or better yet, declare it a terrorist organization. Take every single lying, scheming "think-tanker" who lied us into this war before Congress and put them on trial too. Leave open only direct services to citizens. Stop flights into outer space (for now). Stop funding faith-based initiatives of every kind. Congress can play this game.

If Bush won't sign SCHIP, give him zip. Cut his allowance and send him to his room. Freeze his entertainment budget (foreigners don't really want to visit him anyway. They look so darn uncomfortable they have to put up with Shrub anyway.

And while they are at it, stop acknowledging him in any way whatsoever. Stop standing or clapping for him. Stop with the pretense that the CEO is an adult in full of his own adult senses.

Get the darn impeachment hearings going. Take away his war-making funding. Congress, just tie him in figurative "knots," so he cant do any more damage to us and to the world.

Get off the pot, Congress. Use the budget to bring everything except direct citizen service to a halt (until Bush is out of office). We are waiting.
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 06:18 PM
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41. Excellent rant. "Pelosi knew" was supposed to make torture a "bipartisan issue"
so that the administration would be immune from accountability, but I believe that it will backfire. Republicans, faced with the equivalent of "Pelosi knew" would have tried to preserve their aura of sanctity by hurrying to create a narrative in which some torture was good, so that they (the Republicans) could keep selling the lie that they are God's Party and therefore infallible. That comes from their protestant Puritan streak which teaches that you are born either saved or damned and no good acts that you perform on earth can change that state of grace.

Democrats, on the other hand, have a more Catholic way of doing things. When they sin, they stand up and launch into big, bold penance. In this case, I expect the penance to be a veritable crusade, with no torture left standing.

Go Democrats! Flagellate yourself! Search your souls! And take down Bush, Cheney and the rest of those criminals while you are at it!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 06:32 PM
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42. Kick
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 06:33 PM
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43. K&R to the Infinite Power! Perfect! True! Long overdue...
...that we face the facts about the Democratic Party and its leaders. We've got a country to save for our children and theirs.

Too much of what you predict has already happened. Time for change, indeed.
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appal_jack Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 06:36 PM
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44. word.
you've said it so well democrank!

-app
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superkia (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 06:42 PM
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45. I would love to know who everyone is voting for that responded.
I love seeing DU full of people talking about how much they care and always jumping in with a feel good comment but then ignore serious facts about some of our current candidates ?

Why would any of us support a candidate that:

1: Supported the patriot act or currently doesn't speak out about having it repealed.

2: Voted yes to a war THAT WAS SUPPORTED BY NO EVIDENCE and continued to give Bushco more ammo to kill, whenever he asked. Ask yourself, what was your candidates agenda in supporting a war with no evidence? Think of the lives destroyed before you vote.

3: Has played a part in the propaganda about terror this or terrorism that or evil Iran in an attempt to get the sheeple to believe in their words and ignore facts.

4: Doesnt believe that OUR health should be important and a non profit system like the police or fire fighters.

5: Has any part in trying to privatize Iraq's oil which is actually illegal and interfering with the war or anyone that hasn't spoke out on Bushs friend and the Hunt oil deal.

6: I will finish with the attack on the constitution, I have heard some now speak quietly about some of the attacks on the constitution but have only seen one stand up and scream about it for us instead of saying what they will do if we give them the job...WHAT ARE THEY DOING RIGHT NOW TO PROTECT US AND OUR FREEDOMS?



This was a great post and I am not talking about the OP, I just had to comment on the people that say they care but their actions in who they will support show their true feelings. I want a candidate that I KNOW will do everything they can to end this war and fight off any new ones and considering how everything has went so far, I see 1 maybe 2 that I believe would do that.

We all know that if the votes are counted, a Democrat will win, so please don't say you support someones campaign because they are electable, that is just a media talking point that many of the beloved sheeple have joined in on.

Americans, do you really care about what happens to others that you dont know? Remember that you and your family may not be feeling the real pain now but when they come for you and yours, who will help you? :rant:

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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 07:03 PM
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46. Excellent post. My question: Who among the candidates is working for change NOW?Updated at 5:18 PM
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 07:19 PM
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47. I suspect you already know the answer.
What I want to know is: why doesn't the Senate have a Medicare For All bill?

We have what... 3 candidates who are Senators... strange that they won't move on it...
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 10:12 PM
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59. Because the Republican Senators would block such a bill, Blaming Dems is so passe.
I have no idea why anyone would waste so many bytes complaining about the Democrats when everyone knows that the Republicans are the ones at fault.

I've heard this "we need new blood" shit for 35 years.
Well, Carter was new blood - and the Democrats turned their backs on him.
Dukakis was new blood - and the Democrats turned their backs on him.

So, what did we wind up with - Bill "Middle-of-the-road" Clinton!!

The next time soneone says we should have a third party, they should realize we already did have a 3rd party - we had the Clinton "And we don't give a fuck about anyone else in the country" party. That party's next candidate is in the running now - her name is Hillary!!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Dec-14-07 09:58 AM
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64. Sorry... you go ahead and excuse them for inaction if you want.
I won't.
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Dec-14-07 08:42 AM
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63. Good point, very telling
Actions speak louder than words, and all we hear from Dems in Congress these days is a lot of happy talk and excuses. Sure, they may not get bills passed that they want, but they still need to be introducing them as a means of opening these issues for national debate.

I can't imagine the GOP or Bush would hurt them for just introducing legislation.

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bonito (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 07:43 PM
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48. Kicking
To go back and read replies. Great! :thumbsup:
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 08:14 PM
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49. K & R. Belongs on the FRONT page of every newspaper in the country. nt.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 08:16 PM
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50. Damned magnificent post.
K&R.
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blossomstar (772 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 08:18 PM
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51. Well said!
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Mike Nelson (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 08:35 PM
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52. Thank you, democrank!
The Democrats are really shocking in their "majority" behavior.
Those who do nothing need to...
...GO.
Now.
Goodbye, Nancy.
Resign.
People are dead.
People are dying.
Imagine President Kerry or President Gore letting people die in New Orleans.
Imagine them killing thousands in the Mid-east.

What is wrong with these people?
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 09:14 PM
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53. Proud to add the 255th Recommend on this
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Dec-13-07 09:24 PM
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54. I think the end of your rope is getting pretty crowded...
...I wonder what happens when it breaks?

Great post, thank you for taking the time to write it.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 09:43 PM
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55. "Homeless folks we ignore".... thanks for not only mentioning me, but putting me first for a change!
I really appreciate that---I've been mostly left out of these "debates".

DUers get mad at me because I criticize Dems and liberals too--but DAMN! What the hell does it take to get people to lose their ignorance and their indifference, and stand up for us????

I love your spirit!

You go, girl!!

:bounce: :yourock: :bounce:
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 09:58 PM
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56. color me agreeable! just so much truth there in a few paragraphs n/t
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FourScore (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 10:04 PM
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57. Best rant ever!!! n/tUpdated at 12:08 AM
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Beartracks (893 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 10:07 PM
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58. Can't stem cells become a backbone?? Maybe if...
... we support stem cell research, Congress can grow one:

http://www.cafepress.com/tulsatees/3167102

:rofl:
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wundermaus (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 10:22 PM
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60. Bravo!
democrank, you speak for me, too. Thank you for saying what's in my heart and soul better than I could have.
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peacetheonlyway (948 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec-13-07 10:45 PM
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61. We love your Crusty Old Woman

your rant made my day...

rant all you want.

I agreed 100% with everything you said.

You are an old school true blue democrat.
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oscarmitre (330 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Dec-14-07 07:45 AM
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62. Damn that is an inspiration! n/t
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Fri Dec-14-07 10:38 AM
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65. Too late to close the barn door,
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 10:40 AM by blindpig
the cow's done gone. I feel for ya, as do many others, judging by 272 rec's. But the deed is done, or rather it's been done for quite a while and is now irrefutable. It should be clear to all that the Democratc party has divorced itself from all pretense of the New Deal(a historical amnomality in any case), displaying it's bones in an increasingly weak attempt to persuade that it is the party of the people.

Whatever candidate assumes the imperial purple will matter not, we will get an imperial program. The angst, the strum und drang of primary pissing contests, can be dispelled as useless drama, a dog and pony show. That part's rather liberating, but then comes the hard work. The hard work of confronting power directly won't be a picnic and I suspect that many of us remain in denial for fear of that. Understandable, we've had it easy for too long, which is to a degree how we got here, essentially bribed.

If ya really give a damn, it's past time to move on.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Dec-14-07 12:52 PM
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66. Excellent, Excellent Post !!! - K & R !!!
Bravo!!!

:applause: :yourock: :applause:
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ProudDad (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Dec-14-07 01:09 PM
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67. Posted Upthread - germain here
Edited on Fri Dec-14-07 01:10 PM by ProudDad
The machinery is in the hands of the two-right wings of the Big Business Party and until we tear it from their meathooks, nothing will change...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcx9BJRadfw

"Well I ask you to consider -- if this is a firm, and if the Board of Regents are the Board of Directors, and if President Kerr in fact is the manager, then I tell you something -- the faculty are a bunch of employees and we're the raw material! But we're a bunch of raw materials that don't mean to be -- have any process upon us. Don't mean to be made into any product! Don't mean -- Don't mean to end up being bought by some clients of the University, be they the government, be they industry, be they organized labor, be they anyone! We're human beings!

And that -- that brings me to the second mode of civil disobedience. There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart that you can't take part! You can't even passively take part! And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus -- and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it -- that unless you're free the machine will be prevented from working at all!!"

Mario Savio: Sproul Hall Steps, December 2, 1964


The Zapatistas in Chiapis DID IT!!! We should take their example...

First, withhold participation in the machine -- end your mindless participation in their deadly cycle of consumption!!!

http://www.storyofstuff.com/
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