Poll: Jewish vote goes to Clinton

[oberliner]

An annual survey conducted by the American Jewish Committee (AJC) published Tuesday reveals that the overwhelming majority of American Jews prefer Hillary Clinton as their next president. The survey also indicates that among Republican Jews, the leading presidential candidate is Rudy Giuliani.

The findings show that 70% of Jewish Democrats support candidate Hillary Clinton, while 75% of Republicans want to see Rudy Giuliani in the White House.

Some 80% of American Jews are Democrats. Even President George Bush, who is considered a friend of Israel, won a mere 22% of the Jewish vote in 2004. At the time, the majority of the Jews supported Democratic candidate John Kerry.

Clinton is followed by John Edwards with 48% of the votes and Barack Obama in third place with 45%.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3481667,00.ht...

[mac2]

1. GH Bush had support of Jews?

When Republicans voted for GW Bush they thought he was "moderate" on Middle East policy like his father (seemed to be). What they got was someone a lot worse than any Democrat...unending war for Irsael via GW Bush,Inc.

Most Americans and many Jews don't want the "unending war policy" for Israel or anyone else. Don't know how this poll was worded but the 2004 election was clear. Get out of the ME now. We have not changed our minds be it Hillary or Rudi.

[rucky]

39. Yeah, I've got quite a few in my family.

sadly.

Some are self-absorbed 5-percenters who love the tax breaks. Some are full-blown neocons.

Look at the PNAC signatories some time. It reads like a JCC roster.

In no way are the Jews a unified voting bloc.

[Jai4WKC08]

53. Only a very small percentage

Jews voted for Kerry in a larger percentage than any other major ethnic group except African Americans.

There have always been a small number of Republican Jews. But recently, there are a few more who, like Joe Lieberman, were pretty liberal before but have bought into the neo-con "theology" -- that democratizing the middle east, by force if necessry, is the only path to peace (and where it doesn't work, kill 'em all). But these are VERY small numbers compared to the main body of American Jews who are still Democratic.

In the 2006 mid-terms, something like 88% of Jews voted for Democrats.

[JohnLocke]

2. Not this Jewish vote - I'm for Edwards

[mac2]

5. Good for you

You are joined by most Jews regardless of what the polls say. Jews around the world do not agree with Bush nor do the Jews in Israel (against their own government 70%).

Only the few elite Jews support the unending war and terrorist propaganda via Rudy and Hillary.

Frankly I'm sick to death of their lies about WMD, terrorism, Islam, etc. Americans are more afraid of our own government than outside enemies. When we are attacked we lay in the streets, drowning, starving, etc. Our infrastructure supposedly falls around our ears. Our forests loses thousands of acres without any concern. Our once thriving and wealthy democracy no more.

[bullwinkle428]

47. Make that "2 Live Jews for Edwards", and I get to caucus in Iowa!

[maximusveritas]

3. That's their favorability rating.

I'm sure she has their support as well, but not 70%.

[Joe the Revelator]

4. I'm Jewish and against Hillary

just for the record.

[polichick]

35. As a Jewish Democrat, would you say that those who support the Israel Lobby...

...also support Clinton? That's what it looks like to me ~ especially since her Iran vote.

[rucky]

42. I think it's more Bill nostalgia than anything.

If you're a neocon at heart, why vote democrat when you can have the real thing?

[polichick]

46. You think Bill nostalgia accounts for so much of the Jewish vote??

What ~ he's a black Jew now!?

[silverweb]

6. Slightly tweaked.

I was wondering why those numbers didn't seem to add up. I mean look at them:

Clinton- 70%
Edwards- 48%
Obama - 45%
_____________
Total - 153% ??? WTF?

So always being intrigued by a mystery and feeling compelled to solve it, I went to the source survey report _here_.

NB: It says nothing at all about "support" or "votes" and everything about "favorable opinion of" -- just a slight difference, maybe? The survey methodology also would be quite different for those two questions.

Anecdotally, my non-Jewish friend in Florida lives in a community of "retired Jewish intellectuals" and says that her neighbors are falling away from Hillary fast.

Sounds just a little to me like YNET news tweaked that survey for its own reasons....

[Nailzberg]

7. You Hilary haters just can't stand the facts that 153% of jews...nevermind.

[silverweb]

9. LOL

[BenDavid]

45. I support HRC and both Clintons are stauch allies of Israel, and

WJC had a true relationship with Yitzhak Rabin. In 2005, WJC was there in Tel Aviv, as some 200,000 Israelis gathered on a Saturday night to commemorate the 10th anniversary of Yitzhak Rabin's assasination.

"Your prime minister was a martyr for peace, but he was a victim of hate. Surely, we must learn from his martyrdom that if people cannot let go of the hatred of their enemies, they risk sowing the seeds of hatred among themselves. I ask you, the people of Israel, on behalf of my nation that knows its own long litany of loss, from Abraham Lincoln to President Kennedy to Martin Luther King, do not let that happen to you. In the Knesset, in your homes, in your places of worship, stay the righteous course. As Moses said to the children of Israel when he knew he would not cross over into the promised land, "Be strong and of good courage. Fear not, for G-d will go with you. He will not fail you, He will not forsake you." President Clinton, Mt. Herzl, Jerusalem, 6 November 1995

Ben David

[Nailzberg]

51. I support Israel, but I also support Math

Voters can have favorable opinions of multiple candidate but can only vote for one f those candidates. I never questioned HRC's position on Israel. I laughed when someone else pointed out the OP using favorable/unfavorable ratings as if it were a poll on "who will you voting for".

[avrdream]

8. Cool stats.

Thanks

[Madam Mossfern]

11. This Jewish mother

Does not favor Hillary either.
Neither do any of my four Jewish children or my Jewish husband or my sister or my brother.
Hmmmm.....do I smell a poll coming on?

[Kucinich4America]

10. Is AJC affiliated with AIPAC or any other neocon supporting organization?

Or is it a genuine liberal progressive (i.e. not DLC-style centrist)group?

I'm asking this for a very good reason, and it has nothing to do with this Hillary poll.

[Occam Bandage]

12. Not affiliated to the best of my knowledge,

but AJC is at times a fairly hawkish, pro-Israel group. However, that certainly isn't their only concern. Why do you ask?

[Kucinich4America]

16. The "hawkish" factor may answer the question.

I heard a profoundly disturbing commercial on my liberal radio station this morning. (AM 1090 in Seattle) As far as I know, it only aired the one time. It was disturbing because it seemed to suggest that the NIE released recently was somehow not true, because various "online polls" suggested that a "majority" of people still believed otherwise.

Or in other words, despite the fact that Iran has nothing resembling a nuclear "program" and has not had one since 2003, they still want to beat the war drums and label Iran as a "threat". And the AJC were the ones who made the ad.

I'm not Jewish, so I don't know which organizations are liberal, moderate, conservative, rabid neocon, or whatever. But this ad seemed far out of place on a liberal talk radio station and as I said, disturbs me, because the Jewish folks that I know seem to be on the Liberal side, and are often as troubled by the right wing Jewish extremists as I am by the Bush/Robertson/Dobson/Phelps perversion of Christianity.

[Occam Bandage]

17. This one?

http://www.ajc.org/site/c.ijITI2PHKoG/b.2818289/apps/nl...

An absolutely ridiculous argument, IMO. People are stupid. By that non-logic, the Iraq war was justified, because Saddam had WMD and was behind 9/11!

(Iran does have an active nuclear program, but they've deactivated their nuclear weapons program. Subtle difference.)

[Kucinich4America]

19. Yeah, that was it.

And they seem to be as good at twisting facts as Chimp or Dick themselves.

AM 1090 is a CBS owned station, but I don't remember hearing any Charles Osgood commentaries today or otherwise. This ad aired during a break in the Stephanie Miller show, which originates from the Jones Network, not CBS (they also run AAR and NovaM programs)

[Misskittycat]

13. Same here. Jew for Edwards. n/t

[IndianaGreen]

14. And they all want us to bomb Iran!

I wasn't polled, was anyone around here?

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[L0oniX]

18. I guess since Lieberman isn't running they have no other choice.

[JohnLocke]

20. Wow, what an ass.

[sandyd921]

21. Not me. One more Jew for Edwards here!

n/t

[Beacool]

22. I didn't need to see a poll to know that.

Just ask around NYC and you'll get the answer.

[Azathoth]

23. Not really surprising, since both are from New York and both want to attack Iran n/t

[Maven]

25. Was that meant to be a joke?

Or is that some nice anti-semitism from Team Obama?

[Azathoth]

40. Wow, methinks the anti-Obama crowd is getting a little wild with their accusations

Actually, the Iran part is in the article. The New York part is pure demographics. Nice job flinging offensive accusations around though.

[Maven]

48. What I find offensive is your allusion to common anti-Semitic stereotypes

in particular, conservatives who used to talk about "New Yorkers" because they couldn't talk shit about Jews in proper company.

I'm sure the Jewish population of millions that reside in other areas of the country will be relieved to know they're living in the wrong place. Just demographically speaking, of course.

[Azathoth]

50. What?

Let me lay it out for you...I said that it isn't surprising that the two candidates with the most Jewish support happen to be the two candidates from the state with the nation's largest Jewish population. At no time did I start talking shit about "New Yorkers" (which would be kind of self-derogatory, since I used to live/attend school in Manhattan), nor did I ever evoke "anti-Semitic stereotypes." If you are so sensitive that you can't handle me pointing out the fact that New York does indeed have the nation's largest Jewish population, then I'm sorry, but your problem ain't with me, it's with the US Census Bureau. If I had said it isn't surprising that Mitt Romney is doing well in Utah, somehow I doubt you would have gotten worked up, but then that's typical of someone who starts flinging wild accusations of anti-Semitism at the drop of a hat. (see, now that's stereotyping )

[rinsd]

56. Your generalizing of Jews as being from NY and wanting to attack Iran was wrong.

4 times as many Jews live outside of NY as live there and polls of American Jews show them against attacking Iran.

And here's a surprise, New York people is often code for Jew in more genteel circles of anti-semities.

[polichick]

24. Well, DUH!

Two words: Israel. Iran.

(Oh wait, two more words: FUCK. THAT.)

[AlCzervik]

26. do you really think all jews are for that?

[polichick]

27. Just the ones who are part of the Israel Lobby - the ones behind Clinton. nt

[AlCzervik]

28. oh ok because some of us that are jewish really don't like to accused of being aipac members

[polichick]

31. Why would you even jump to that conclusion? This thread is about...

...the Clinton vote. Gosh this place is reactionary!

[AlCzervik]

34. Gosh! no it isn't, i understand the implication, only jews that like war support Hillary

you made yourself quite clear so you can stop be defensive.

[polichick]

37. Who's talking about ALL Jews??

I simply stated why Clinton has so much of that vote.

[AlCzervik]

41. and you have the internals of the poll so you can say that?

When Asked about the most important problems the US is facing today, 22% of respondents cited “economy and jobs” and 19% answered "health care." Only 16% of American Jews regard the war in Iraq as a determining elections issue.

that is from the actual poll

and this is the writers "most likely"

The Jewish support of Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani is most likely a result of their decisive stand against Iran and their pro-Israel views.

the poll numbers and that assertion do not comport.

[polichick]

43. Good grief...

Let's see, since I am aware that many in the Israel lobby favor Clinton, I must be anti-semitic.

And because I am aware that many people in this country are completely fed up with illegal immigration, I must be racist.

That's what I mean about this place being reactionary. Ask people you know to be part of the lobby who they're voting for ~ I have. Big deal.

[AlCzervik]

44. thanks for playing.

[polichick]

54. What a silly response. nt

[Madam Mossfern]

30. Oy vey!

http://www.peacenow.org /
http://www.peacenow.org/shalom/index.asp

Sorry to disillusion some people, but there are many Jews who do not buy into Lieberman's agenda.

[AlCzervik]

32. as one i agree with you but there seems to be some that think otherwise.

[polichick]

33. Of course, but they're probably not voting for Clinton. nt

[Madam Mossfern]

36. To be honest

there is a large segment of the Jewish community that votes based on Israel. To deny that is to bury your head in the sand. I left my synagogue partly because of politics and am planning to go back to the one I used to belong to because of the progressive views of the congregation and the Rabbi.

[polichick]

38. Thank you for sharing your experience...

That's what I've gathered from friends and reading.

[Munch]

49. Indeed.

To be honest there is a large segment of the Jewish community that votes based on Israel.

Yes, and it is well-organized, well funded and politically active.

For the record: I am Jewish, unaffiliated, and undecided. What I really want is a candidate who acts as Edwards talks.

My cousin, a wealthy MD who lives in LA, became a Republican over objections from family and friends. Several years ago he was personally invited to a December reception at the White House (complete with kosher table) where he met President Bush.

How lucky we are, he wrote afterwards, to have in the White House such a good and decent man, a mensch, a true friend of Israel.

Sigh. With friends like this...

[babylonsister]

29. Well, I'm Scotch/Irish/German, and I don't like her.

Does that count?

[jillan]

52. Ya - they love her for her Kyl/Lieberman vote.

That said - this Jewish vote is NOT going to Hillary.

[polichick]

55. It's the only way to explain that vote...

Hillary must've seen it as critical ~ that's too bad because it seems to put the best interests of Israel over the best interests of the U.S.

[oberliner]

57. That's the only way to explain that vote?

How do you explain that 27 other Democrats voted the same way?