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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:49 PM
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CNN trumpets Newsweek's Iowa poll and Mason-Dixon's SC and NH polls, but not the Iowa poll.
Edited on Sun Dec-09-07 12:53 PM by Karmadillo
This just happened during a discussion of the Oprah weekend on Blitzer's show. Interesting how polls, such as the Mason-Dixon poll showing Clinton with a 2 point lead (within the margin of error), that don't fit the narrative don't exist. Obviously, this sort of thing has been going on for weeks since the Philadelphia debate and the Post/ABC poll of several weeks back. Still, it seems worth wondering why the Corporate Media continues to work so hard to improve Obama's standing. If it was just to create a horserace, shouldn't they be letting up? After all, they have a horserace now. Why is the Corporate Media continuing its Obama push?
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:53 PM
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1. What are you kiddin' me?
All the MSM has done is to trumpet the inevitability of the Clinton campaign for the past, well since the moment the '06 election was decided. Just another reason why I don't like the Clinton machine-we didn't even get a chance to enjoy our mid-term victories when the '08 presidential election immediately was started
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:07 PM
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5. ANOTHER Hillary crime?
Good heavens, we really must appoint that special prosecutor.

"Clinton machine". But Obama's doing it all alone with just his own sweet hands. And, of course, the faithful.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 02:08 PM
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17. His hands can heal.
Edited on Sun Dec-09-07 02:09 PM by ronnykmarshall
I saw a man with a big ass zit on his face. Obama touched it. POOF! Gone!

I seen it.

Ok maybe is was the facial scrub Obama got him, but HEY it worked!
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:53 PM
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13. You said it all ..
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:54 PM
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2. That's a very good question
Its also curious that big money donors (who formerly supported the GOP) are also shifting their funding away from Clinton to Obama.

It certainly appears there may be a coordinated effort by big money and big media to influence the Dem primaries, possibly to promote a Dem candidate who can't win in the General Election.

My .02.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:56 PM
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3. Hmph. Tough dilemma
Maybe the better thing to do is push for common sense poll control laws and have no polls in the month before the election.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:00 PM
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4. I posed the exact same question
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:07 PM
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6. So it isn't a shock if he should Win Iowa..
people will be wondering how could he Win, if he was so far behind.

The numbers are being rolled to stay within the moe.

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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:20 PM
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7. Yeah, it couldn't have anything to do with her poor showing in the MSNBC debate.
Or, maybe the kindergarten attacks, or Bill Clinton's lying about his position on the Iraq war,

Or, Obama's appeal to those that are just learning about him, or his speech at the JJ dinner, or his ability to fight off attacks from the other candidates.

No, it's all the media's fault. :crazy:
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:26 PM
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8. You mean they ignored the Mason-Dixon IA poll because of the Phil debate several weeks before?
nt
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:31 PM
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9. The U.S. media is anti-Clinton down to their toenails.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 06:54 AM
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24. Then why is a junior senator with only 8 years experience
and a decidedly average record in the Senate foisted on us as the front runner in the first place? The media was touting Hillary as the front runner before 04 was even over, for crying out loud!

But you're right. The media do not like Hillary. They have been pumping her as the front runner. But if she gets the nomination, the honeymoon will be over.

I gotta laugh though. They don't mention a poll that has Hillary slightly ahead of Obama in Iowa, within the margin of error, and that means they are out to get her! Does paranoia describe?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:45 PM
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10. The Press Has A Narrative And They're Sticking To It
I remember when they were trying to make a race out of the Clinton-Dole beatdown...They succeeded in robbing Clinton of a majority but Dole was so hopeless and Clinton was so hopeful they couldn't make it the race they wanted... Anyway, they had a panel that was trying to argue it was a three point race after the Pug convention but Jonathan Alter was on the panel and wouldn't go along with the narrative...

You still see that Independence from time to time from journalists but they are seldom invited back...

I don't like Nixon and Reagan but I admire them for kicking the main stream media's ass but they got Nixon in the end...

Annoy the main stream media....Vote for Hillary Clinton...
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 06:57 AM
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25. Annoy the main stream media....so the media have not pumped hillary at all?
Gees
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:45 PM
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11. Another example of the "Vast (fill in blank here) Conspiracy" to bring Hillary down...
:eyes:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:48 PM
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12. I Wouldn't Be So Smug
The press was successful in torpedoing Al Gore and Mike Dukakis but they weren't succesful in torpedoing Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, and Bill Clinton...In fact at the end, Reagan had made the press his biotches...
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:54 PM
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14. No smugness.
It's just that the "Hillary is a victim" meme grew tiresome many months ago. If you want some real media bias, look to the *virtually nonexistent* coverage of Edwards. The "powers that be" have already established this as a two-person race (NOTE: In the end, I think that's how it will end up. But still...).
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 02:03 PM
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16. I Agree With That Part
The press has ignored the second tier candidates including Edwards...That being said, the press , as hard as it to generalize about an institution as amorphous as it is, hates Hillary's guts...I guess that's an improvement over their attitude toward Dukakis and Gore who they they thought were clowns...
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:00 AM
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26. Oh...I get it....we should nominate someone who will get killed in the media!
Another exercise in political masochism? or hari-kari?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:20 AM
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28. The Media Hated Nixon And Reagan
And in the end Reagan owned them...
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:56 PM
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15. They will play him up a little longer, and then tear him down.
Just like they did with Dean.


I say it will begin next week.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 03:30 PM
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19. I don't think so..
The only reason they are touting Obama is to beat Clinton out of the nomination. Obama is a strawman, nothing more. They will wait and take him down in the GE...how easy will that be? He's hired most of the Rep Cabal to work for him.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 08:50 PM
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20. I hope you're wrong
Edited on Sun Dec-09-07 08:53 PM by Skip Intro
They sure are pumping him up right now - I can't see the coverage staying positive for that long - people - viewers, would get bored, and tv is about ratings - and ratings are about money - & money is what runs politics as well.

I agree Obama is a strawman. I just think the deception to big and obvious to succeed.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:04 AM
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27. The only reason they touted Hillary is that she would lose in November
Look at all the early debates where Hillary was proclaimed the winner simply because she was not knocked out! Not because she won them, but because she was still standing. Translation: the media had proclaimed her the front runner, and because she was the front runner, she won the debates!

Well, that changed in Philadelphia because Hillary was so bad the media couldn't pretend any more. Even though some still tried!
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 08:19 AM
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29. "He's hired most of the Rep Cabal to work for him."--egad you exaggerate!
Do you think you are actually helping your candidate by making false charges?

By the way, what are your views of Robert Murdoch?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 08:23 AM
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30. Who's Robert Murdoch?
DSB
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 09:24 PM
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31. dang....mind fart! Rupert
Funny thing....if you google hillary clinton murdoch...you get the right answer! Another funny thing...if you google obama murdoch you won't find such associations! Hmmmm
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 02:08 PM
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18. They didn't "ignore" the more recent Newsweek poll that had Obama SIX points ahead (outside the MOE)
According to RCP, the Newsweek poll data was compiled 12/5-6 while the Mason-Dixon poll data is older, from 12-3-6. So it's logical for
CNN and other news stations to prefer the newest relevant Iowa poll which has Obama LEADING unequivocably. :-)
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:37 AM
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21. Through the eye of the beholder. I was on another blog -- a very anti-Biden
thread, and people were chiming in that CNN ALWAYS made sure Biden was the top story, etc. and I'm thinking (THIS beholder) - WHAT?? Biden NEVER gets any coverage! We're subjective.
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weeve Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 02:53 AM
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22. They're making it a TWO-person race because ...
... because John Edwards is the top tier candidate that most threatens their vested interests. Since they don't have a DEAN SCREAM to promote 24/7 , they're trying to sink Edwards by ignoring him completely. If they can get people to think they're wasting their vote on Edwards, then Obama and Hillary will likely gain votes. And they're the two most Corporate-friendly, with the built in excuses ( if/when election theft again occurs )of how the country was "just not ready" for a woman or an African-American.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 02:57 AM
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23. Also? Because John Edwards is a non-candidate elsewhere, whereas both Obama and Clinton
have the infrastructure to survive past Iowa.

If you really think JRE is going to be a thorn in the corporate side, well...I suppose you believe that his latest complete personality shift is his last, right? I mean, sure he completely reinvented himself when he was first elected to the Senate, in the 2004 primaries, as Kerry's VP, and after Kerry lost and he decided to run in '08. But I'm sure he won't do it again, because THIS TIME he's totally serious. Seriously. Really. Trust him.
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