Dean needs to denounce Naders run immediatly

[59millionmorons]

Nader thinks he will come in and get Deans votes. If Dean really wants the Dems to take the WH he will do this immediatly. But on that note I am not worried about Nader, he probably wont even be able to get on the ballot.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

1. I Hope Dean Does Exactly That

He was very classy in his concession speech. Hopefully he will.

DTH

[IndianaGreen]

93. Who is responsible for the Dean/Osama ad?

Let's start by confessing wrongdoing!

[HuskerDem]

122. What does that have to do with it? Seriously?

The Dean/Osama add does warrant attention and disclosure but that is a totally separate issue.

Dean is the one who pulled the loyalty oath stunt at the debate making everybody raise their hand to promise to support the nominee.

Dean supporters were FINE with that when they were smugly sure of his inevitable nomination.

Dean has promised on more than one occasion that he will support our nominee. Dean has warned his supporters and urged then not to drift to an outside party but to remain within the Democratic party and work for change. He has even emphasized strongly that sometimes change takes time but that it is perseverance and commitment over the long term that accomplishes real and meaningful change.

Deans supporters would do well to listen and take heed Deans intendment and commit to it the energy they have previously his other messages.

[JackRiddler]

124. you can forget any confessions...

All you're seeing here is the groundwork for blaming a possible Kerry loss on Dean (supporters). Everyone needs their scapegoat, and your logic ain't gonna change that.

This is just spin on spun, and as for the Osama ad, those who think up such things think it usual and admirable to lie and cheat for political gain. There are certain rules, of course, but artful ruthlessness is a virtue, and soon enough that slides into the pit and all that counts is winning.

The self-appointed unpaid spinners of this political class won't see it otherwise because hey, plugging Dean was for the higher good.

Pyramid of Scapegoats

Believe it or not the biggest scapegoat is just Bush. A society as far gone into denial as ours, as fat and unhappy and unwilling to admit it, an economy long ago turned into search-and-destroy cannibalism, makes the natural ground for a government of oversated, witless predators.

What wonder, to top it all off like a rotten cherry, there's a tinpot microcosm of denial and cannibalism and desperate reaching for affection, on whom we in the basement get to blame it all.

The Cherry must go, for sure; a confirmation of it will signify acceptance and irreversibility; but the same comes twice as fast if we swallow the Kerry without chewing it up first.

In every capital, the idols must fall.

[orangeotter]

133. Why some Deanies are so malevolent towards Kerry.

I went from TX to NH to campaign for Kerry and saw the expected back and forth between various campaigns. Other than "they stole signs" or "that attack sheet is unclaimed" most complaints about other campaigns were mild and I figured could be just as easily thrown at our side in other places. So why do some Deanies have such a strong contempt for Kerry. I would like to see specific reasons that the candidate himself is worthy of loathing. I understand there are rumors of campaigners or support groups not staying above reproach, but what makes Kerry so much more unpalatable than other candidates? I guess that is the real question. Why is the scorn heaped on John Kerry? I talked to an respected the ideas of all the campaigns I came in contact with. Why the active calumny?

[JackRiddler]

125. "Gracious speech?"

I guess everyone loves you when you're dead

[adadem]

2. The only way

he gets on the ballot is with Repuglican help.

I bet Dean will do that.

[salin]

134. darn... wish I had taken you up on that bet

could always use some quick cash. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=388132&mesg_id=388132

[Lefty48197]

3. Dean already asked his supporters to reject 3rd party candidates

He just said it in the last couple of days. I thought he was talking about Nader at the time.

[59millionmorons]

5. True

But he needs to hold a press conference soon to denounce it. This would wipe Naders announcement out.

[blondeatlast]

14. Not sure he can get the coverage anymore, but he needs to get it

to his supporters RIGHT NOW--like on his site.

Hoping to see this in the next few hours.

[babzilla]

30. When is Kerry's press conference scheduled for?

Wouldn't it be up to the presumptive nominee to wipe Nader's announcement out?

Is there a statement on Kerry's site about this?

Did Kerry or Edwards say anything about it on This Week?

[Cuban_Liberal]

4. I'm sure Dr. Dean will do just that.

He is a good and loyal Democrat, and I have no doubt he will speak clearly on this subject. :)

[union_maid]

6. Dean is who McAullife should be going to

Screw Nader. Go to Dean and offer him something meaningful. He's the one who deserves some consideration, not Nader. See if Dean will help to explain to those of his following who are considering Nader what that really means. Not all the Naderites are Deanies by means, of course. Probably not even most of them, but at least those who are should understand that Nader is acting at cross purposes to what Dean's campaign was about.

[59millionmorons]

8. Dean is a man

I no he will do the right thing.

[still_one]

7. Dean has already said he will support the Democratic Candidate

I think the best thing would be to ignore him

[Deja Q]

9. Uh, reality check...

That's what Nader thinks.

But Dean not need say a word. Many Dean supporters are more likely to be of the NBD crowd; they'll write-in Dean on the ballot instead of voting for Nader.

Surely that's a more RELEVANT and DANGEROUS concern?

[chascarrillo]

12. Absolutely not

Most Dean voters were concerned with one thing: Defeating Bush in 2004. I don't think that attitude has changed.

[Cuban_Liberal]

15. I agree.

I know several 'Green' Dean supporters in Champaign/Urbana, and they are just as 'ABB' as the Democratic Dean supporters are.

[janx]

10. Are Dean supporters the ONLY ones who saw this coming?

It amazes me that so few on this board did.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

11. No

Far from it. Most people were afraid of this here - we just tried not to obsess over it every day.

[blondeatlast]

16. Hell no.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

67. What amazes me

Is the celebrations were in full force when Dean announced he was no longer seeking the nomination and all were too quick to burry him. But.....let Nader jump in and the calls are being shouted from the rooftop : Dean we need YOUR help, have a press conference and put a stop to this". You wanted him to go away, and he did. Live with it. It's Kerry and Edwards problem on how to deal with Nader. Remember "Bing it on". well, you asked for it, you got it!

[janx]

76. True. Especially when we had a lot of former Nader voters

working with us for Dean. Some were Greens. Most were independents.

[blondeatlast]

13. Agreed--I'm gonna keep checking his site. nt

[babzilla]

56. this is what the Dean site is up to this morning

http://www.blogforamerica.com/

Sunday morning call to action

"I will not run as an independent or third party candidate and I urge my supporters not to be tempted to support any effort by another candidate. . .. You have the power to take back the Democratic Party and make us stand up for what's right again." -- Governor Howard Dean, M.D., February 18, 2004

I believe that every person has the right -- and duty -- to use their vote and voice for whatever candidate they support. I also believe that your greatest power -- and it is a great power, if you use it -- is within the Democratic Party.

I believe that in one week you can send a shock through the system by demonstrating how serious you are about taking back the soul of the Democratic Party -- you can, in one week, recruit and identify 100 new Democratic office seekers inspired by Dean.

There are at least three things you can do to help make this happen:



Think about running yourself and research local options

Call/email at least one person who has impressed you and ask them to run

Identify open races at the state/county/congressional district level and share them with your local group and this blog.

Power lies in action. Fill the thread with your action. I give us until noon next Sunday -- I know of about 30 so far, and would love guest blogs from anyone who fits this category (Dean-inspired office-seekers)(send to [email protected]).

Lets get some wings on the old donkey!

[janx]

71. We're taking it back! n/t

[OhioStateProgressive]

17. bad idea

Howard Dean and Ralphalfa are two great big ego driven demagogues...they will feed each other...Howard will scream and holler about Nader, and Ralphalfa will grow in size, he will stutter less, his mumblings will be understandable....it would be a bad thing.

That all being said, I well recognize that Ralphalfa is very much responsible for many of the good reforms that did happen in government in the past...and I will not sit and pretend like I don't like Ralph...now is just a bad time for him to be out there

edit: typo

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

58. "Big, ego-driven demagogue?"

You meant Kerry, right?

[OhioStateProgressive]

91. no, but maybe he is too

all props to Dean, but I still stand by what i said

[liberalnurse]

18. Oh, now you want Dean......

I bet it will be a cold day in Antarctica before he does.....if it would help kerry before the Convention......

Maybe he will look at the issue then but not anytime soon......

[MurikanDemocrat]

45. Dean will do what's best for the Party in it's goal to defeat Bush

Just watch. He will.

[dkf]

19. You can't treat a bunch of people like bunk and expect them to be

loyal.

Dr. Judy says that Dean doesn't carry grudges and I have seen this to be true so you can count on him. Take Steve Grossman's double cross. When Gov. Dean spoke to Steve Grossman when he just about he ruined Dean in Wisconsin, Grossman says that Dean didn't rebuke him, just asked how he was doing. I literally broke down and started crying when I read that because it told me what a good and decent man Howard Dean is. You may ask why Gov. Dean was asking about the man's welfare. Daily Kos had a posting saying that Kerry was threatening Dean backers in order to get them to drop their support/endorsements. That did not make me happy with Kerry and unlike Gov. Dean I carry grudges beautifully.

My new take on this? If the Dem nominee wants my vote he's going to have to earn it. I used to be ABB, but not anymore. John Kerry and the DNC/DLC has turned this lifelong Dem into an Independent.

And the irony is that 4 years ago, I didn't understand what Nader was going on about. The treatment of Gov. Dean by the establishment has opened my eyes to what Nader is talking about and now I GET IT.

Once again Dean shows me by exposing the political games, dirty tricks and media manipulation instead of simply telling me how this all works.

I hope you all have learned something from Dean's experience. The biggest threat to democracy are those who control our media. To me, this is bigger than Bush, bigger than anything I can think of because it outlasts Presidents and individuals.

Despise Nader or not, he is fighting the good fight whereas John Kerry is captive to those who I am most worried about. I will vote Dean in my caucus but in November I will vote for the person who earns it (who knows maybe Kerry or Edwards could say something to make me vote for them but they can't count on it).

[Liberal Veteran]

21. Keep in mind that the establishment did not....

...cause Dean to lose the primaries. We, the people did. The DLC and DNC does not wield the power to tell us how to vote in the primaries. They can suggest and they can implore, but the final decision is ours.

As a person who would have cheerfully voted for Dean and indeed is the only candidate I have contributed to in this season, I recognize that he lost the primaries and my vote will be going to the ABB candidate at this point.

[ozone_man]

51. I think you are underestimating the media's infuence

that they have wielded over the primaries. It was not a fair fight. Campaign ads are useless compared to the power of the media, and Dean had made noises to break up their monopolies. And you are underestimating the power of the DNC/DLC.

Like dkf says, this primary has opened up the eyes of many as to how this power structure controls the election cycle, and makes people understand Nader's arguments much more than they might have in 2000. The corruption in our electoral politics was made very tangible this year.

[mdmc]

96. oh, the horror! Dean was best to run v. the greens and gop

And the irony is that 4 years ago, I didn't understand what Nader was going on about. The treatment of Gov. Dean by the establishment has opened my eyes to what Nader is talking about and now I GET IT.

[janx]

20. Dean? Dean's gone. He's packed it in and left HQ.

I thought that's what you guys wanted, no?

He's gone.

Here he is, taking the last of his stuff. You should be very happy.

[Cuban_Liberal]

22. That photo makes me sad.

Dr. Dean's a GOOD GUY, and seeing that pic makes me feel empty inside. :(

[Meldread]

24. God that's so depressing. :(

But I have a jacket just like that OMG! Dean and I are both cheap bargain shoppers! :P

I swear to god that looks just like my jacket, like he borrowed it from me. :P

*sigh* Still this is depressing. I hate to see him pack up.

[EXE619K]

25. Now, they want a "denouncement" from Dean.

First, they slam him.

Now, they want his help.

It's the same shit the Dems pull year after year.

Denounce any third Party opposition especially from the Greens.

Then, ask for their support during the General Elections.

There's a pattern here.

[Cuban_Liberal]

27. It was always a mistake to attack him in such an unprincipled manner.

I've NEVER liked that sort of attack, and am pleased that my candidate never partook in them. I don't think I could be supporting him now, if he had. The way Dr. Dean was treated was disgraceful!

[slinkerwink]

33. I agree with you on that----he and his supporters absolutely were

vilified on here.

[Cuban_Liberal]

41. Dr. Dean deserved better

People are irrationally afraid of what they don't understand and of what they can't control, and that fact was abundantly demonstrated in the attacks on Dr. Dean.

[Padraig18]

59. Yes, he did. n/t

[oxymoron]

100. Oh, please!

You yourself did more than your share of vilifying other peoples candidates. I remember some VERY nasty and misleading threads you posted about Cark. I would recommend you go to the archives and look at your own posts over the past few months and refresh your memory.

[spooky3]

36. you and me both, Cuban_Liberal.

[janx]

29. And Dean isn't even third party. He's a solid Dem.

Maybe they should have thought about the Nader threat a little bit earlier.

[edzontar]

37. They are pitiful cowards. The word "denounce" tell us all

?now abut the fear and panic that has hit the Kerry camp.

I do not support Nader, but do not see why ANYONE shoud be compelled to "denounce" him...

"Do you denounce (renounce, etc.) Nader and all his works?"

"The power of Kerry compels you!"

[janx]

49. That was my reaction too...

B-)

[IndianaGreen]

110. Words like "denounce" and "purges" are part of Kerry's lexicon

If Kerry is soooo "electable" why the panic?

Is it because they fear that as more people become familiar with Kerry's actual record they might recoil and vote for Edwards, or GAWD forbid, Kucinich?

[Kipepeo]

116. Exactly

Instead of "denouncing" Nader...who has done nothing to be denounced for, maybe they should work a little harder at getting people to "support" their guy.

I am so sick of this Nader slam, just like the Dean slam. If you are NOT GOOD ENOUGH, don't sling shit at someone because they are better and may take some of your votes...make yourSELF better so you can compete with them.

[babzilla]

73. the pattern: Dean and his supporters do the heavy lifting

Kerry and the DNC reap the benefits once the coast has been cleared.

[edzontar]

83. They are pathetic. Dean should not "denounce" anyone.

He should calmy state his own opinion that the 3rd party is not the way to go, and then discourage his supporters from supporting Nader.

"Denounce" is a word that suggests fear, panic, and hysteria.

It's pitiful, really.

[Rose Siding]

26. There's the Man who had the answers

Looking more relaxed. Peace to him!

As to the ridiculous premise of the original post there is no rejoinder.

Far more relevant: To how much pain and destruction will the Democratic Party subject us before they will negotiate for something that doesn't line their personal pockets?

[janx]

28. It is almost beyond belief.

And I have no answer to your question.

[mzmolly]

44. Exactly, suddenly Dean is the *one* to take on Nader. Bullshit!

:puke:

[IndianaGreen]

94. Bullshit, exactly!

If Kerry is so damned electable, who cares how many Naders run?

Let the Kerry supporters defend their candidate. I won't!

[59millionmorons]

102. Dean

Dean was not good for much, this is his opportunity to show he is worth something.

[Voltaire]

108. If he wasn't electable...

Then exactly why should he bail out you chickenshit Kerry supporters? If he is Kerry the Almighty, then he has nothing to fear from Nader. And no need of our help. IF he is Kerry the Almighty..<snicker>. You Kerry supporters will be looking for friends once Karl Rove ties fire to his ass. Remember how you treated Dean supporters then.

[59millionmorons]

115. And no need of our help

We dont wont your help. No time for whinners. My guy didnt win pout pout.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

126. maybe

You should have Kerry put that on his website.

WE DON'T WANT YOUR HELP! ask and ye shall recieve. IN ABUNDANCE!

[babzilla]

109. this is Kerry's time to shine

he said to bring it on.

Nader is bringing not much, why the worries?

The gravitas filled electable one should be able to tough this one out himself, no?

[Nazgul35]

114. Really?

How's that backbone Dean gave Kerry holding up?

All I have to do to hear Dean's speech is put on CSPAN...except now its long winded and boring....

And as far as what Dean "has" to do...if he were a normal man he's tell the Washington establishment to kiss his hairy white Vermont ass...but he's got more patience than I do for sure!!

[Cassandra]

120. Without Dean's truth-telling...

we wouldn't have much of a race right now. Kerry would still be wandering around trying to figure out what to say. Dean not worth something? His supporters considered him worth more than $40 million.

[knight_of_the_star]

47. What a great man

While I never backed him, without him we would be in NO position to challenge Bush. My hat is off to you Dr. Dean. Thank you for healing the opposition party.

[not systems]

75. What a lost opportunity this year.

That is one depressing photo.

[fujiyama]

90. Even as a...

Non Dean supporter there is something very depressing about that photo -- like the end of a hard faught journey...I seriously hope he stays active in the party. His message was spot on.

F*** Ralph. He's not even fit to lick Dean's shoes.

[Voltaire]

23. Why should it be on Dean's shoulders to do this???

If this party was progressive at all, we aren't even having to think about Nader. But the DLC and the DNC and you Kerry supporters know best, so handle it, handle it, handle it. You and the media force Dean out, ridicule him and his supporters and his message and now you want him to save you from Nader.

IN HELL

[napi21]

32. RIGHT ON VOLTAIRE!!!!

I'm leaning toward Edwards. Kerry not only slammed Dean, but used the old pushpoll in Wisc. he represents the choice of the DNC/DLC, and I'm very disappointed in BOTH!

I said it yesterday, and I'll say it again.....I had my choice of candidates, and he isn't in the game any longer. If you want my vote, you are going to have to convince me why you deserve it.

Kerry hasn't done that.

[mzmolly]

46. Bravo!

:toast: In HELL!

[slinkerwink]

50. bravo, Voltaire!

:yourock:

[IndianaGreen]

112. I am sure that Nader is no threat to "Mister Electable" John Forbes Kerry

Dean and his supporters owe nothing to Kerry!

Kerry is lucky to even get our tepid votes in November, assuming that Edwards doesn't cream his Skull & Bones's ass.

[dsc]

31. I will call on Dean to do that

as soon as Kerry denounces the Osama ad.

[janx]

38. And as soon as the DLC and the media

admit their culpability in messing with the electorate to take him down.

[dsc]

39. true that would be nice

But I am willing for a one to one trade.

[ozone_man]

54. I like janx's conditions better.

I would think better of Kerry if he admitted supporting the Osama ad, but still no guarantee that it would be enough to vote for him.

[edzontar]

40. Right on!!!!

nt.

[edzontar]

34. Why? All he has to do is encourage his supporters to vote Dem.

As he has done and will do.

He doesn't have to "denounce" anything.

It is not a crime to run for president.

Whatever you think of Nader, he has a RIGHT to run.

[spooky3]

35. As an Edwards supporter, I hope this will convince Dean

that his help is desperately needed to ensure the Democrats choose the strongest and most appealing candidate.

[Rose Siding]

43. As a Dean supporter, I hope this will convince Edwards

that now is the time to recognize the kind of changes the party needs to make and adopt more of Dean's platform- to his benefit and to ours.

[spooky3]

61. if you read their platforms you will find they are already quite similar

[GodHelpUsAll2]

70. What?????

Dean's help is need to ensure that dems vote for dems. What on earth for? Remember, the voters have spoken and they clearly did not choose Dean. So obviously he just didn't connect and had no power to sway any of them. What on earth would his help be needed for at this point? This is cracking me up. Let the voters decide they shout, Oh but wait, they may decide something other than the golden boy, so help us Dr Dean we need you. Hysterical!

[janx]

84. It's like beating someone into unconsciousness and then

asking that person to save you.

[lojasmo]

121. He tried

But the media and the DLC creamed him. Now his responsibility is to support the EVENTUAL NOMINEE, like he said he would. He is not beholden to you or anybody else to denounce Nader. I'm sure the actively campaining candidates can do that for themselves. As for Dean supporters, they can vote for whomever they think best represent their interests.

Perhaps Dean should "denounce" Kucinich too. And Al Sharpton, and Kerry/Edwards depending on who you like best,

Howard will eventually support the nominee. Until then, all he needs to do is relax, and spend time with his family.

[mzmolly]

42. Why Dean? Why doesn't Kerry denounce Nader, Kucinich, Edwards, Sharpton?

*
Adding: Dick Gephardt, Carol Mosely Braun ... uhm who'm I forgetting? Lyndon Larouch...

[Nashyra]

48. Dean will do whatever it takes to unseat *

All the Dean people here act like there candidate was th only one slammed. Hell Clark took a beating and from alot of the Dean people. Clark and Dean created a movement that will continue but both candidates realize that the only way change can occur is to first remove the * from the WH. I doubt seriously that Dean would want his supporters to support Nader, just like Clark he wants them to stick together so that when the time comes they can be a large group to help effect change. Dean is passionate but he is also a very intelligent man and would not loose focus of the bigger picture.

[mzmolly]

53. What's that got to do with my point? Why doesn't Clark denounce Nader?

In fact, I think HE is the proper spokes person to to so, after all they have the same highly visable supporters.

[Padraig18]

52. He will, I'm sure, but why SHOULD he?

Once again, Howard Dean will prove himself to be the best Democrat in the whole bunch!

[JHBowden]

55. Not only Dean, but Gore.

We cannot allow Nader to get off the ground with his lies if we are serious about regime change.

[Padraig18]

57. Welcome to DU, JHBowden!

:hi:

[MoonAndSun]

60. Howard Dean supporters laugh at this thread, why in the world

is it up to Dr. Dean to denounce Nader? What are you so afraid of? This thread smells of desperation.

There are 4 other candidates running for the nomination. They are the ones who should be out there talking about Ralph.

Dean has already said he would not run as a third party candidate and that he would support the eventual nominee, and the nominee has not been crowned yet.

Chill.

[Deanisourman]

62. Very Well Said!

I am a Dean supporter and I AM SUPPORTING NADAR ALL THE WAY! Dean doesn't owe the Democrats anything. They and their friends in the media went out and destroyed Dean, now they beg for his help? We need to work together to get Nadar on the ballot in all 50 states. www.votenadar.com.

[babzilla]

64. you might want to spell your candidates name correctly

if you are trying to get him on the ballot.

[Eloriel]

69. If you actually were/are a Dean supporter --

and pardon me if I doubt you, but the few posts I've read from you just don't ring true to me for some reason -- you would not be backing Nader, you'd be working with the rest of the Dean Movement to take back our party.

If you actually were/are a Dean supporter, you'd be voting for Dean in your primary IF your state hasn't had it yet.

If you actually were/are a Dean supporter and wished to lodge an effective protest vote (and that's not something I'm advocating, but it's obvious it's something you're contemplating -- you'd write in Dean in November.

if you actually are a Dean supporter, as you claim, I'd suggest you back waaaaaaay up and take another look at your support both current, past and future, at what Dean is and stands for and the movement behind him still, your participation in the whole electoral process, and definitely your words on DU.

You're certainly free to do what you want, but you're doing Dean and the accomplishment he and his supporters have achieved absolutely no favors. Sadly, methinks that's precisely what your plan is.

As for the original post to this thread: Bwaaaahahahahaa. What a fucking hoot. Dean is a better person than I and doesn't hold grudges, so who knows what he'll do? Perhaps nothing until a nominee is selected. In the meantime, has has already weighed in on the whole 3rd party issue. It is the HEIGHT of irony, not to mention hypocrisy, that the Democratic Party, having sold what little of its soul was left, is suddenly so hysterical about Nader that NOW they find some value in Dean and his supporters.

Bah. Go suck an egg.

[MoonAndSun]

72. LOL, this thread is the height of hypocrisy.....

good one, Eloriel!:hi:

[JVS]

63. Nah

[burning bush]

65. Kerry Can Stop Nader

1) Publically ridicule his message while simultaneously co-opting it in all his stump speeches

2) Pretend that Nader's followers are a bunch of immature college kids, then call people at 3AM pretending to be Nader's supporters

3) Send in moles to the Nader campaign to kill his efforts from within in order to make it appear as if the campaign is crumbling under the weight of public pressure

4) If none of that works, cheat!

After all, Kerry has plenty of experience with this plan of action. It worked extremely effectively against Dean :grr:

[MoonAndSun]

66. Sad, but true, burning bush.

very sad.

[janx]

74. Maybe he could throw in some money toward another Osama

ad, just for good measure. He could try and connect Nader to Osama somehow. ;-)

[maxanne]

88. oooh, yeah

and he could steal Nader's list of #1 supporters, and call them all and badmouth Nader to them. Then on the day of the election, he could steal the list of #1's who hadn't voted and start making robocalls from "Nader."

Worked in NH. :eyes:

[Mass_Liberal]

68. Dean doesn't need to denounce

anything anymore than any other dem candidates. Deanies aren't going to vote Nader. It's all gonna be ok.

[candy331]

77. I am sure this thread is a joke

Surely someone must be joking to asert that an unelectble Gov should step in and pitch for the hailed electables is absurb. Dean gave a partial spinal transplant of himself and was killed now you mean a dead man has to be dug up to give the rest of his spine? Wonders as they say never cease to amaze.

[burning bush]

78. This thread IS a joke

But we may not agree as why.

Are you a Dean supporter, or dismisser?

[janx]

79. Apparently the post was serious.

...which makes it all the more humorous.

[Walt Starr]

80. Deans needs to do whatever Dean deems necessary to do

Not what people who decried everything about Dean only a month ago demand he do on internet message boards.

[janx]

81. Yes. The campaign is busy with other things.

Nader just doesn't make the cut at this point.

[mdmc]

82. He is supporting the Democratic Nominee

Should Dean defame Kucinich as well?

Silly.

[Padraig18]

85. du Pattern: CRAP ON DEAN, THEN ASK HIM TO SAVE YOUR ASS!

It makes me want to alternately laugh, hurl, maim and kill...

:wtf:

[janx]

87. Same here, but every time I see this thread I have to

LAUGH!

[Padraig18]

89. Me, too, most of the time.

But occasionally, the anger still emerges. The wound is still too fresh to laugh EVERY time. :hug::hi:

[edzontar]

92. It's so FUNNY--it HURTS!!!!!

Come and save me Dr Dean!!!

That bad man is threatening my electability!!!!!

[Padraig18]

95. "The Emperor has no clothes"

It's about time this party understood that. 'Electable' my Irish ARSE! :evilgrin:

[IndianaGreen]

98. Kerry is a fatally flawed candidate!

Kerry is so unelectable, that his supporters are worried about an independent candidate that won't even have his name on the ballot in half the states.

[Padraig18]

99. So we've noticed.

If others would just calm down, they'd notice the same thing.

[IndianaGreen]

86. Dean should endorse Kucinich or even Edwards

"Anyone but Kerry" is the only way to take away the issues that Nader is going to be running under.

[mdmc]

97. THERE IS A GOD

My response to a Kucinich endorsement by Dean.

[NoPasaran]

101. So let's see

Dean was a weak candidate. If he had been nominated the Democrats would have lost.

Fortunately the voters cast their lot with Mr Electable.

Because Dean was not nominated, Nader is now in the race. Because history repeats itself, the Democrats will lose.

Only Dean can stop Nader. Merely saying that he will support the Democratic nominee, will not run on a third party, and urges his supporters to remain within the Democratic ranks is somehow not enough. The very fact that Ralph Nader lives and breathes is all Dean's fault.

Clearly, Howard Dean is the most dastardly political villain since Leon Trotsky got the ice pick treatment. No wonder we're going to get purged.

If anybody needs me, I'll be in the Lounge.

[RetroLounge]

103. Whatta freaking joke...

So much for The Electability Meme...

You reap what you sow...

[w4rma]

104. He said to support Democratic nominee, so he already has denounced it.

There is no reason to address Nader specifically.

[BinkieGirl]

105. Thank you for saying this!

through this entire thread I've been thinking...he said it plain as day in his Wednesday speech.

"I will not run as an independent or third party candidate and I urge my supporters not to be tempted to support any effort by another candidate." - Howard Dean, Feburary 18, 2004

The nasty spewing toward Dean that comes out one side of people's mouth and the insistence that he must do their bidding is laughable and pathetic.

More pathetic than laughable.

[w4rma]

129. Thanks. I fully and totally agree with you, BinkieGirl. (n/t)

[WI_DEM]

106. So if Kerry loses and Nader got more votes in a few key

states than the margin of Kerry's loss--it will be Dean's fault?

[Guaranteed]

107. Surprisingly good thread. Sorry I didn't come in here sooner.

Wouldn't have thought it by the title.

[ibegurpard]

111. I really hope this is just ranting by some average person on a message

board and not the actual thinking of anyone who calls any kinds of shots within the Democratic Party. The absolute irony and hypocrisy of the alternative would cause my head to explode.

[NashVegas]

113. It Sounds Like You Expect Dean to LEAD

My friend, you can't have it both ways, and I'm of the impression you already rejected his leadership.

[Democat]

117. What about the DLC? I thought you were convinced they were leading?

So now someone has to run for president, or he can't be a leader in any way?

[Kipepeo]

118. Give me a break

Dean doesn't owe you the time it took you to post that.

You can "denounce" Nader all you want but your time would be better spent convincing others why your guy is the better candidate (and by better candidate I mean "better candidate" and it can't be solely because he is from a mainstream party). Make HIM better. Positive not negative.

[IndianaGreen]

119. Perhaps it is because Kerry's campaign slogan is: I am not Bush!

and he has nothing else to offer other than the fact he is not Bush.

I hope Edwards derails Kerry's coronation train before we are stuck with him as the nominee.

[Eloriel]

127. That's exactly true -- a poll today revealed that the main reason

people had for supporting Kerry is "He's not Bush." I kid you not. That was the main reason and came in at 27%.

Not much of an endorsement, is it?

[arewethereyet]

123. Dean already said his votes were non-transferable

Not sure what those actual people think about this. Many seem to feel otherwise, a few seem to agree but its all talk at this point. We'll find out in November.

[PassingFair]

128. Correction...

I believe he said his PEOPLE were not transferable. We will vote ABB, (or ADD, as I call the leftover dem choices), but our money and our hearts are NOT TRANSFERABLE!

[janx]

131. It wasn't votes--he was referring to some of the people who

were working for him.

[KFC]

130. Who really gives a shit about Dean?

The latest model for failure.

[IndianaGreen]

132. So don't bug Dean supporters with endless calls for loyalty to Kerry

This ain't over yet!