NEW Ohio Poll -The Huckster 44% Obama 41% Hillary 47% The Huckster 45%

[DemocratSinceBirth]

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportEmail.aspx?g=dc72cc9a-62a3-4053-adcd-a9cea3992c72

[rinsd]

1. Not good news. Both Clinton and Obama lose to Rudy and McCain.

[aquart]

5. In Ohio? How embarrassing for Ohio.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

7. No, Clinton 48%, Ghouliani 44%

McCain, the eventual nominee, is trouble, though.

[rinsd]

10. D'oh! How did I of all people miss that!

McCain's campaign simply will not die because he still outperforms the GOP in matchups with the Democrats.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. No-Clinton Beats The Ghoul

But he's not getting the nomination...

It's either the Huckster or Mittens or McCain...

[TheWraith]

25. Frankly, I don't think much of these hypothetical match-ups.

Too far out in advance for any real data to be gathered. People aren't paying attention to the general election yet, and I seriously doubt that McCain would be still twitching in a one-on-one against any Democrat with a pulse. I don't think the other numbers are any more credible, either.

[Alamom]

2. Thanks for posting. nm

[ronnykmarshall]

3. I think we should call him Huckleberry.

[Eurobabe]

11. Huckleberry Pyle has a nice ring

Why am I not surprised that OH goes for Huck?

:eyes:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z2F96rCnHg

[NewHampster]

28. Great video DSB

Thanks

[Lucinda]

27. That's an insult to cute cartoon dogs AND jams and pies Ronny...I can't

support ya on this.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

4. So Obama loses to Gomer Pyle in the one state we absolutely need.

But he's the most electable. This is all name recognition... oh wait, nobody's heard of Huckabee.

Hmmm... let me get back to you.

[sampsonblk]

8. Huckabee could carry all the red states

That's a problem.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. Exactly

But so could most of the Republicans... But the Democrats have a better chance of "stealing" a red state than the Republicans have of holding every red one, imho...

[sampsonblk]

19. We could win big if Giuliani or Romney get the nomination

A lot of states are in play with those two.

But if Huckabee gets the nomination, then we're back to fighting for Florida and Ohio again.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. I Think Even With The "Right " Or "Wrong" GOOPER Candidate Depending On Your Definition

We can put New Mexico,Arkansas, Colorado, Arizona, Virginia, Ohio, and Florida in play... That doesn't mean we will them...

Obviously Arizona and Arkansas are off the table if the nominee is McCain or The Huckster...

[BeyondGeography]

12. A MOE differential in a state he has barely visited

Yep. It's over. :eyes:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. How Many Times Has The Huckster Visited There?

DSB

[BeyondGeography]

18. Who knows? And why should we care about state polls where no one is campaiging

one year out from the election?

I don't even use that argument against Hillary.

Favorable/unfavorable ratings for individuals are more significant at this point, IMO, than candidate-to-candidate differentials.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Here's A Link To Dozens And Dozens Of State Polls

What red state does Obama put in play beside Iowa with its seven electoral votes*?

http://www.surveyusa.com/electionpolls.aspx

Respectfully and sincerely ,I'm not trying to be punative or combative...My raison d'etre is to see Democrats elected... The fact that Obama doesn't put any red states in play beside Iowa is troubling... If I want to support a candidate out of vanity I'll write in my own name..


*Kerry lost Iowa by a whopping 7,000 votes

[BeyondGeography]

24. It's a reasonable concern

but Obama is still a mystery to many people. The fact that he's doing well in the red state that knows him best should provide some reassurance.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. I'll Be The First To Admit I Could I Be Wrong

But I look at the data and get concerned, no matter how early it is in the process... The data and historical precedent has to make anybody concerned...

And I see somebody up thread dismissing John McCain as a joke... I assure you Joe Sixpack doesn't think John McCain is a joke...

[BeyondGeography]

31. That's why I look at favorables

McCain has been around forever and his unfavorables never get out of the low 30's...that's remarkably strong.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. Somebody Upthread Said He's A Joke

It doesn't matter if DU think he's a joke... I doubt you will convince a plurality or majority of Americans he's a joke...

This election could be a repeat of 1972... Richard Nixon effectively neutralized Viet Nam as an issue by starting to bring troops homes under his Vietnamization plan...He certainly bought himself a lot of time... He effectively sold himself as the candidate who would bring "peace with honor" and successfully defined his opponent as someone who wanted "peace at any cost"... I think Bush* might have done the same thing for his party's candidate with the surge...Again, it doesn't matter what you or I think, Americans don't like to lose a war and the media is portraying the surge as a success...

[sampsonblk]

6. Huckabee is one of the few GOPers who could win this thing

His message is resonating with GOPers who hear it. He's getting 2/3 of the white evangelicals in Iowa. That should be a cause for concern on our side. As long as the RW is divided, we should win easily. Huckabee is uniting them. And if he wins in Iowa, he's going to have the money to really get his message out.

[Eurobabe]

14. yes, many knew this awhile back

and spent time trying to stop Ghouliani, Mittenführer, when Huckabee is the real enemy.

[sampsonblk]

16. I saw him on the Daily Show, but didn't know he'd catch steam

The guy is good. Romney and Giuliani are in big trouble, whether they know it or not.

[Blue_In_AK]

20. He's been the one I've feared since the beginning...

People will be charmed by his "niceness" and overlook everything else, especially in such a mean campaign season. Personally, I think we'd be better off with one of our own "nice guys," Biden or Edwards, than Clinton and Obama who are seen more and more as getting down in the mud.

[Eurobabe]

21. Some news stories about his ability to mesmerize ala Jim Jones

He is a smooth talker. Does have that glazed look in his eyes.

[bullwinkle428]

23. Huckster has yet to receive the full intensity of the media spotlight -

once the dirt starts coming out on this guy, he'll start to slip in the polls the way Rotten Rudy is right now...

[NewHampster]

29. Not true if the boys in charge of MSM want him

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. Exactly

See Gore v Bush*

[bullwinkle428]

36. The dirt was there on Bush in 2000...too many idiots just refused to believe it

[Occam Bandage]

32. I'm not terribly worried about Huckabee, if

Obama's the nominee. He's 23% retail tax idea will not play well. People do not like enormous changes. Saying "I will replace your income tax with a retail tax that should do the same thing" is an enormous change. Liberals do not like the idea of regressive taxes. Many conservatives, when you get down to it, will not trust the government to create an entirely new tax system that works "just as well."

Add that to his outright denial of evolution, and I think we can paint him pretty easily as a crazy right-wing extremist. The only problem with Huckabee is his damn voice. He's got that Bill Clinton thing going (I swear, somewhere in Hope is the greatest voice coach in history), mixed with preacher charm. People will want to like him, and I worry we'll allow charisma to become an actual issue. If people get it in their heads that "who you like more" is more important than their healthcare, I think he'd mop the floor with Hillary.

Edwards? Tough fight. They're both populists, they're both charismatic, they're both Really Really Sincere white guys. I'd give JE the edge.

[surfermaw]

37. Edwards is the one of the three that can beat any republican

[Hawaii Hiker]

39. This is a MUST read article about that kook Huckabee

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/17324246/matt_taibbi_on_mike_huckabee_our_favorite_rightwing_nut_job

[rucky]

35. Oh yeah, we got ourselves some serious values-voters around here.

:puke:

[TheUniverse]

38. The bad news here is that about 45 percent of the country would vote for a man who...

believes the world is 6000 years old, thinks evolution is a tool of satan, and doesnt even support abortion rights, not even in the first of month in cases of rape. This is a shame for our country.

Dont believe me. Here it is his words.


Q: South Dakota had some proposed legislation to outlaw all abortion except saving the life of a mother, no exceptions for rape or incest. You said you'd sign that. Why?

A: I always am going to err on the side of life. I believe life is precious. I hav been in the pro-life camp since I was a teenager. It's because of my view that God is the creator and instigator of life. But those of us in the pro-life movement have to do also some expanding. Life begins at conception but it doesn't end at birth. And if we're really pro-life we have to be concerned about more than just the gestation period. passed pro-life legislation, but we also did things that improved the environmental quality that would affect a child's air and water; that he had a better education, & better access to affordable health care. So I think that real pro-life people need to be concerned about affordable housing, safe neighborhoods, access to a college education. That, for me, is what pro-life has to mean.
Source: Meet the Press: Meet the Candidates 2008 series Jan 28, 2007