Hahaha, my sister who can't stand Hillary thinks Oprah is a traitor to all women

[mtnsnake]

Not that my sister would be happy if Oprah endorsed Hillary, but she told me on the phone how Oprah has always been about "you go, girl!" , "Girls, we have to stick together", and so on, and now she's shifting away from that in the Presidential race. She told me one of the reasons why she stopped watching Oprah several years ago was because Oprah was idolizing Hillary just a little too much at the time and it made her (my sister) sick.

Anyway, my sister favors John Edwards (ugh), so I think she might be showing a little sour grapes that Oprah chose Obama instead of choosing Edwards over the "woman" candidate, but she does make a point.

[Renew Deal]

1. Thanks for the anecdote

Everyone is trying to guess if Oprah can help Obama. Is Obama going to take off like an Oprah book club nominee? Is it going to help him with women? We have to wait and see.

[Buzz Clik]

2. I simply cannot vote or think until Oprah tells me what to do.

[MADem]

5. Seriously, is that kind of stuff helpful? The Winfrey, The Streisand?

Do people respond to that crap?

Is this why Huckabee has Walker, TX Ranger on his team????

:rofl:

[ilovesunshine]

10. I didn't think it mattered until I saw that Fabio endorse Hillary.

*giggles*

[MADem]

13. .................. thank you ......................... !!! ~````~~~~~` !!!!!

For my LAUGH OF THE DAY!!!!!!

That was a spit-take!!!!!!!

[Buzz Clik]

14. Fabio endorsed Hillary? Perhaps he can pose with her for the cover of her campaign bulletin.

[Prophet 451]

65. Gods, I hope not

The idea that someone's vote might be swayed by an endorsement from Oprah (or any celebrity, endorsing any candidate) is profoundly depressing.

[durrrty libby]

3. Two years ago Hillary was a presenter at an awards show. She

presented Oprah with an Emmy

During her acceptance speech, Oprah made it a big deal that

Hillary should run for president and Oprah promised, that if Hillary ran

Oprah would support her.

So, Oprah does look two-faced now.

[mtnsnake]

8. "Oprah made it a big deal that Hillary should run for president"

There ya go.

[Beacool]

16. Ahhhh, but back then there wasn't an African American

running for president. LOL!!!

[ellacott]

18. She never promised her support

She just said that she should run.

[NYCGirl]

29. You are absolutely correct.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2005/11/23/oprah-to-hillary-i-hope_n_11180.html

[mtnsnake]

33. Oprah to Hillary: "I hope you do us a privilege and run for office...president of the United States"

Here's exactly what Oprah told Hillary to her face at that event:

"I hope you do us the privilege of running for office," Winfrey said as she introduced Clinton at the New York City ceremony. Then after a burst of applause, Winfrey added, "president of the United States."

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200512u/nj_schneider_2005-12-06

[ellacott]

34. That's the same thing that was in the link provided. n/t

[Auntie Bush]

61. Seems that Ophra is more concerned about

getting a black in office than a woman. I'd say she betrayed women.

[tammywammy]

68. Seriously?

Couldn't she just like Obama more?

I'm a woman that's not supporting Hillary, does that mean I'm a traitor to women too? If I was black and for Hillary would that make me a traitor too?

[Auntie Bush]

79. It has nothing to do with what you would do or anyone else, except Ophra.

She spent an exurbanite amount of time exulting Hillery and pushing
for WOMEN and Hillary...Then to stab Hillary in the back for a MAN.
She has NEVER backed anyone! Now all of a sudden a black man runs and she backs a man! You are being naive if you don't think race has something to do with it.

[ellacott]

80. Why didn't she support Jessie, Al or Carol?

Oprah didn't spend an exurbanite(exorbitant) amount of time exaulting Hillary. This story is being misrepresented.

[Colobo]

4. So every black that doesn't vote for Obama is a traitor to the race?

[Tellurian]

6. Obama is giving blacks nothing to be proud of..so, why would they vote for him?

Oprah is hovering in La-La Land!

The two O's will go down in flames together..

[ellacott]

17. Giving blacks nothing to be proud of?

Where in the world are you getting your information from? You have topped yourself with that statement.

Amazing.............

[Chovexani]

30. Wow, I don't even support Obama and I think that's bullshit

Please stop speaking for "they" when you clearly have no idea wtf you're talking about.

(As a black woman, I'm proud that one of the frontrunners is a black man, even if I vehemently disagree with many of his positions on the issues and think he's a hypocritical bastard)

[butterfly77]

35. Do you really think that blacks are only..

looking at Hillary and Obama?

[MADem]

75. I'll bet they aren't looking much at Romney. Or if they are, they are looking,

pointing, and laughing.

[Renew Deal]

59. That's outrageous.

I know you're a Hillary zealot, but that comment is over the top.

[NobleCynic]

73. Way to court support for your candidate

I'm an Edwards / Kucinich man myself and I think that was out of line. If you're going to make a claim that stark, support it, or at least phrase it more diplomatically. You'll only drive people away from Hillary with that kind of hubris.

[mtnsnake]

7. If that's what you're wondering, Katz, why not start a thread and find out?

BTW, how's that "HUGE" endorsement going, the one you had everyone creaming their jeans over the other night, talk about rumors that fizzle out like a punctured balloon. Frank Cownie, lol.

[maddiejoan]

11. Only if every black has a TV show

--where they promised to support Obama and then didn't.

[Tellurian]

15. Magic Johnson, Maya Angelou, Quincy Jones, Whoopi Goldberg

Just a few supporting Hillary..They are black..right?

I forgot Shak..he's for Hillary too!

[Egnever]

9. your sister seems to change her mind

an awfull lot.

[mtnsnake]

12. "an awfull lot"? Why, because she stopped watching Oprah several years ago?

That doesn't constitute changing your mind an awful lot.

Nice try

[jenmito]

19. And if she didn't support Obama, would she be seen as betraying Black people or

forgetting her roots or something? She obviously endorsed Obama because she thinks he's the best candidate. Not because he's Black. And she's good friends with the Clintons which just goes to show you she must really believe in Obama. Your sister's opinion aside, I'm sure she'd be seen as a traitor to all BLACK people if she went another way. Nobody can please everybody ALL of the time...

[ellacott]

20. I don't think she was seen as a traitor to blacks

because she didn't publically support Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton ot Carol Mosely Braun(2 of which are from Chicago).

[jenmito]

28. Which should prove she's doing this because she BELIEVES in him...

and won't endorse someone just for their gender or race.

[DangerDave921]

22. exactly

If we're all supposed to vote for a person based solely on our genitalia or skin color, then we are in bad shape.

How about we vote for the person we think will do the best job? Is that so hard to understand?

I guess I'm supposed to vote for a white male. Preferably one in his 40's with facial hair. Hmmm.

[jenmito]

26. Yup...

I think if that were the case, you'd have to sit out the election. :)

[dionysus]

21. one toke over the line sweet mtnsnake one toke over the line...

standing downtown at the dlc station one toke over the line...

[mtnsnake]

23. One of these days....

I'll figure out a way to exact my vengeance, dionysus! :mad:

First, though, I have to find out what song drives YOU nuts when it gets stuck in your mind. Finding that out might not be an easy task, I admit. :shrug:

Dammit now I have to go and listen to something else to replace that godawful song of yours again. Once again, I guess it's time for me to listen to Mama Let Him Play. Doucette, here I come!

[dionysus]

24. anytime my man...

oh, btw, here's a... uh... hillary video I found on youtube, I thought you'd enjoy it! :hi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye3ecDYxOkg&feature=related

[JeffR]

25. Feliz Navidad

works everytime.

[mtnsnake]

31. I appreciate the help, Jeff, but if I'm gonna replace a bad song, I need to do it with a GOOD one!

One that always works for me, besides Mama Let Him Play, is Dreadlock Holiday by 10cc. Great song and once I listen to it nothing will get it to leave my mind for at least a week, not even dionysus's song that's tormenting me as we speak. If you don't believe me, try it! :evilgrin:

[JeffR]

32. That is a great song

I'll need it to get rid of Feliz Navidad.

[PresidentObama]

27. Ok? And....

[Tactical Progressive]

36. Oprah sold out her audience

This is what I figured the reaction would be as I've said in earlier posts.

I don't think in general it will be in such stark 'traitor' terms, but that will be the underlying feeling for many if not most. The woman who empowers women just sold out women - for a really poor choice for Presidential nominee - over the first woman ever that can and will win the Presidency. It's almost too dumb to fathom. Oprah has so little political sense.

It was a bad choice for Oprah in a number of ways whether Obama wins or loses, but especially when he loses. Oprah shouldn't have put herself in this position.

[jenmito]

37. She didn't sell out anybody. She believes in Obama and will talk to her audience about him.

Why should she support someone because of their gender? That would be stupid. She put herself in that position because she thinks Obama can change this country/world for the better. Sorry you don't approve.

[Tactical Progressive]

39. No, not because of her gender

Because of who she is. Who she has always represented.

Oprah's 'constituency' isn't African Americans, or African-American women.

It is women. Of all colors.

[jenmito]

40. And as a woman she feels Obama is the best person to represent EVERYONE...

not just women. Her audience will listen to what she has to say and make up their minds.

[Tactical Progressive]

42. They all represent EVERYONE

You're skirting the issue.

Oprah doesn't represent everyone. She represents women. Not African-American women. Not African-Americans.

Women are her 'constituency'. If you don't want to address Oprah's unique circumstances that's fine. I'm not really invested in the Oprah aspect. She can do what she wants for whatever reason she wants. But she has sold out her constituency in a big way, and for that it's unlikely to help Obama much if at all.

[jenmito]

47. Oprah has an audience...not a constituency. She's telling her audience who she believes is the

best candidate. They won't feel abandoned. They'll be grateful for her advice/opinion. Don't sell them short.

[Tactical Progressive]

67. I put 'constituency' in half-quotes

so as to explicitly draw a political analogy to audience, which term, 'audience' I used as well. I was hoping that would help to explain Oprah's political actions in political terms.

You seem to think that by un-drawing the distinction between 'audience' and 'constituency' you have made a point. I don't think so in the least, but rather than get semantically sidetracked, I'll just restate it in the terms you prefer:


You're skirting the issue.

Oprah doesn't represent everyone. She represents women. Not African-American women. Not African-Americans.

Women are her audience. If you don't want to address Oprah's unique circumstances that's fine. I'm not really invested in the Oprah aspect. She can do what she wants for whatever reason she wants. But she has sold out her audience in a big way, and for that it's unlikely to help Obama much if at all.


Once again: Oprah has always represented women first and foremost. And now she has thrown her support against the first truly viable and likely female Presidential candidate. There's just no way that spins to 'she's just supporting who she thinks is best'. It's a betrayal of the 'audience' she has always represented.

[jenmito]

71. Well, I STILL disagree. She doesn't "represent" women. She SPEAKS to them.

And they listen. She recommends books by men and her audience reads the books. She's now recommending a candidate. I think her audience will take a look at, and perhaps vote for, that candidate. I don't think her audience would expect her to be so shallow as to endorse someone just because she's a female like them. I give them more credit than that.

[Tactical Progressive]

77. Yeah, she's SPOKEN to women that she doesn't support the most viable woman

by far ever to approach the Presidency.

That's saying ALOT to a woman's audience.

You can spin it that she recommends books by men. Or has men on her show, or whatever, but it doesn't change the fact that Oprah has always been about the empowered woman. It's the main point that you won't go near because it is undeniable. And you can try to recast it in black and white extreme that it's about endorsing someone "just because" they're female, but that's just your strawoman. Is she endorsing Barack "just because" he's black? If the argument were to be twisted around your bias, the argument would be that Oprah threw her empowered-women audience overboard for someone 'just because' he's black. But of course it's more than that - she also passed on the best-qualified person to be President who happened to be a woman.

I don't imagine Oprah will change many of her audience's minds, nor do I image it will hurt her support or ratings, but it will always be there that she didn't support the empowered woman.

[mtnsnake]

48. BINGO

Because of who she is. Who she has always represented.

Oprah's 'constituency' isn't African Americans, or African-American women.

It is women. Of all colors.

Yup, that's it to the core, and that much should've been obvious to anyone who's ever followed Oprah Winfrey, without you having to explain it as clearly as you did.

[jenmito]

49. It's her audience. Not her constituency...

and when she speaks, they listen. Do you really think they're going to stop watching/listening to her when she explains her support for Obama? Perhaps they'll be swayed to listen to him and then to vote for him, too.

[mtnsnake]

50. Yeah, "audience" is fine with me. Her "following" is appropriate, too. nt

[jenmito]

54. But you said "Bingo" to someone describing it as her "constituency."

There's a big difference and I think I pointed it out in my post.

[mtnsnake]

56. Good gawd, it was the words that were all around "constituency" that made the message

BINGO still applies.

Are you always this technical?

[jenmito]

70. Yes. So you agree with the poster that Oprah will hurt herself by endorsing Obama?

[mtnsnake]

72. I haven't thought about that particular matter yet, but I don't think Oprah's too worried about it

She's a strong smart woman.

[ellacott]

38. It ok to vote for someone because they're a woman

but if anyone told you they were voting for Obama because he's black you all wouldn't accept that.

[Tactical Progressive]

41. I never said that

I think it's fine to vote for someone because of their gender or race, as long as it's just one factor and not the only factor.

I'd vote for an African-American to represent this country well before a caucasian-American, assuming they were about equal otherwise.

That's certainly one reason that I support Hillary, though certainly not the only reason.

Obama isn't near presidential material.

[ellacott]

43. Thank you for your explanation

I've seen many people make that argumentthat I posted. They felt her gender should have been a bigger influence than her race.

I understand what you are saying now.

[MadBadger]

44. Umm, does your sister realize that Oprah is also black?

[Hieronymus]

45. I think it's pretty silly to support a candidate because of their sex or

race.

[HuffleClaw]

46. imo anyone who lets a celebrity make their voting choice for them isn't thinking for themselves n/t

[zulchzulu]

51. Your sister must not be very intelligent

If in fact your sister thinks "Oprah is a traitor to all women" because she endorsed Barack Obama, then she is either not the sharpest blade in the drawer or she has to be kidding you.

A traitor to all women? Wow. That's some f&*ked up sh*t.

:shrug:

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[zulchzulu]

63. Heh...

Why would you post such nonsense about your sister? You know that is some serious load of bull plop.

[Mythsaje]

52. I certainly prefer your sister's choice over yours...

:shrug:

Maybe she just gets the class war better than you do.

:evilgrin:

[mtnsnake]

62. %!@#%#!X@^x%!

Actually, my top choice is Kucinich, then Hillary and Obama, although Obama has dropped a few small notches in my book, only because I was expecting much more inspirational stuff from him. Maybe my expectations were set too high after his Keynote Address. That was the night I said to myself that this guy was going to be a future president. I'd still be delighted to see him make it.

Usually when I get talking on the phone with this particular sister, I always try to get her blood pressure up about Hillary. It doesn't take much!

You should hear my mother who's well into her 80's. She's a diehard Democrat all her life and she can't stand Hillary, she never could. Man do we have fun with each other over Hillary. Last time I visited her she was ready to kill me, I got her so wound up over Hillary. I threw the Goddess of Peace lingo at her and she shouted, "What do you mean Goddess of Peace. She's no goddamn Goddess of Peace! Just look at her cold eyes!"

I have another sister who likes Hillary alright, but I think Biden is her personal favorite, I'm not really sure. I know she always brags how Biden came over to her table at some Democratic dinner they were at and flirted with her. lol

My dad has been a diehard Kucinich fan for a lot of years.

[Mythsaje]

64. I like Kucinich too, actually..

I just don't consider him a viable candidate. I think he's more useful where he is, though I think it's been a good thing for the primaries to have his hat in the ring.

And I understand your issues with Edwards...I just don't necessarily share them. I think the loss last time and the reasons behind it, along with the resurgence of Elizabeth's cancer, have combined to make him really re-think his life. We need someone in the forefront talking about the class war. The only way to have a chance in this struggle is for someone, anyone, to wake up the American people.

I don't think anyone else is in a position to do that. Or, rather, I don't think anyone else in a position to do that really gives a damn.

[mtnsnake]

66. Good points

I think the loss last time and the reasons behind it, along with the resurgence of Elizabeth's cancer, have combined to make him really re-think his life.

My sister, the one who favors Edwards, keeps telling me how he'll be ten times the candidate as presidential candidate as he was when he was VP candidate. She thinks he has become the most "down to earth" candidate of all of them (not that I agree with her), now that he's had time off from politics and with what's happened with his wife's sickness and all. Time will tell. If he gets the nod, we're all gonna fight our asses off for him to get elected. In the meantime, it's fireworks as usual :evilgrin:

[Tactical Progressive]

69. I also think Edwards is a much better candidate now than in 2004

I'm beginning to think that he'd make the best VP for Hillary. Though I don't know anthing about the internal polling numbers that they have which may show something else entirely.

[BeyondGeography]

53. Hahaha...nine million viewers per day think your sister is wrong

[mtnsnake]

60. Wrong about what? Oprah or Edwards?

Or both?

[NoFederales]

55. I believe a post last week recommended charging $50 to kiss a

cardboard cut-out of Hillary for fundraising, or somesuch. Instead, I think the better offer is to kiss your sister and send $50 to Edwards.

:hi:

NoFederales

[mtnsnake]

58. I'd rather have my sister kiss the cardboard cutout of Edwards & forward him the 50 bucks!

:hi:

[rufus dog]

74. Do you people read your comments before posting?

What a bunch of bullshit! The narrow mindedness boggles the mind! Not what I would expect to see at the DU. And if you are offended at posters taking personal shots at your candidates read some of the sophomoric shit posted.

[MADem]

76. That's unhelpful.

If you take issue with a post, engage on that level, specifically.

The broad brush and the "you people" doesn't earn you kudos for either clarity or debating skills. It's what's called a "cheap shot."

[NewHampster]

78. I may go see the two Os this weekend

I've wanted to see what all the love is about and heck I can get to see Oprah too.

Only problem is I don't want to be counted in the BamaDroid crowd.

Edited for drunk sounding grammar.

[winston61]

81. I'm not saying that Oprah has no convictions,

but her primary devotion is to her pocketbook. Let her endorse Obama, just another machine hack from a state run by machine hacks.