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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:10 PM
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Oprah stumps for.........Biden???
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 10:22 PM by ginchinchili
Well, it's not as much of a stretch as it sounds. No, she won't actually be stumping for Biden, but her big, well-publicized entrance into this primary further heightens the circus like quality that is taking hold. Obama has Oprah in his corner, queen of daytime tv. Hillary has hubby Bill and now Babs. And while Hillary and Obama are taking swipes at each other, the Republicans are just going nuts. Now it's looking like Giuliani had been visiting his mistress complements of the tax payer. That should go over good with Republican church goers who hate paying taxes. Edwards, the millionaire trial lawyer, is now the working man's candidate. Oh, and Kucinich has fairy godmother,Shirley McClain, helping him out by writing about his run-in with a flying saucer. Thanks, Shirley.

This would all be great fun if so many people's lives weren't at stake. But there are lives at stake and our nation's future is on the line. I think a lot of people are failing to be amused by the current pea shooting free-for-all that's taking place and are looking for alternatives. Joe Biden is increasingly being seen as the serious alternative, because these are serious times for our country. There is a buzz going round in Iowa and it ain't the latest edition of Billarygate.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:12 PM
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1. So Obama isn't a serious candidate because Oprah will appear on his behalf
I think Biden needs a little better hook than that.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:16 PM
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3. I didn't say that.
And you know I didn't say that, and it's not about choosing a "hook." That speaks to my point. My point, not Biden's.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:18 PM
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4. Obama is a serious candidate
I think the poster is just trying lighten things up here.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:23 PM
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7. "This would all be great fun if so many people's lives weren't at stake."
I dunno, sounds pretty serious to me.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:28 PM
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11. It is what it is.
I guess it's all in what one's definition of is is.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:27 PM
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10. He HAS a better hook! Listen to his speeches! He's not all
serious and depressed either. I listened to his most recent speech in Iowa that was on cspan last night and again this morning. He was on for 2 hours and he did a GREAT JOB! He answered every question, as he always does, and didn't try to dodge any of them. He was straight forward and told it like it was. He's also one of the few politicians who can actually tell a joke and pull it off!

One of the questions he was asked at this most recent gathering was what he intends to do about illegal immigration, an if he's in favor of "the fence"? I was surprised and pleased at his response! (Paraphrase) He said he is NOT in favor of the fence, and the first thing he would do when elected is to call Calderone. Mexico is the second wealthiest contry in this hemisphere, and they are responsible for generating opportunities for their own people to work and be able to support their families THERE so they wouldn't WANT to risk their lives sneaking across our border. It's Calderone's responsibility as their President, to make that happen! Joe said it much better than I did, but you understand what he meant.
I think that's a much better approach than Srub making buddy buddy with whoever is President of Mexico and letting them continue to operate their corrupt politics and force all their problems on the US!
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:38 PM
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15. "...call Calderone."
Wow! I think he's the first candidate with the courage to address the real root of the problem, then. I can't for the life of me, figure out why all of our politicians are too chickens**t to risk offending Mexico's elite and their government cronies.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:10 AM
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24. Yeah, you don't hear that coming from any other candidate.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 11:19 AM
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26. From the Mexican viewpoint
Jobs they were assured of under NAFTA have gone poof since the China trade deal. Mexican crafts and agriculture are at the point of disappearing due to the same. Mexico has had to cut its traditional imports to the US in half in favor of Europe and Latin America, because of the dominance of Chinese products in the US undercutting Mexico trade. I would like to see Mexico creating more jobs, as well, but it is not as simple an issue as you make of it. I doubt Biden would see it so simply, either.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:31 PM
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12. He has a hook....
Honesty.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:13 PM
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2. Oh, dear OP... thank you thank you... you have NO idea how
badly I needed to read something like this. I've been unable to face going to bed. I'm seriously afraid. I feel better now that I know somebody feels the same way I do... molte grazie for posting.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:20 PM
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6. lol..don't mention it.
It is taking on a kind of Entertainment Tonight quality, and when I catch myself getting caught up in it, I remind myself about all the serious harm Bush has done to this country I love and the soldiers who have died, and the ones who will die.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:18 PM
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5. .
You get an Obama! You get an Obama!

You get an Obama!
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:24 PM
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8. LOL...
funny, but true.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:24 PM
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9. Yeah, but who has earned the DOCTOR PHIL endorsement?????
Inquiring minds want to know!!!!!!

I think endorsements are vastly overrated. Frankly, I find Oprah TIRESOME as my view is she bellows too much, and is a bit egocentric and bossy. Others may not see her that way, but that is my personal take. I also don't think Streisand is the be-all and end-all that others do.

Anyone who votes for Clinton because they liked FUNNY GIRL or who votes for Obama because they watch OPRAH faithfully is a fucking idiot--in my opinion.

But in America, even idiots have the right to vote.

And IOWA is not a be-all or end-all either. They tend to pick incumbents when they can, but if there ain't one on the ballot, IA doesn't have the greatest track record in picking either our nominee or our next President. All Iowa does is generate buzz if an underdog does well.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:37 PM
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14. I see her that way
Very annoying, self-serving person.

And Dr. Phil? :puke:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:54 PM
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19. Him, I've only seen a few times, but I do a brutal imitation of him
I'm no comedian but I can get 'em rolling with my Phil imitation!

He's a didactic little bastard himself--ah lahk the waaaay he's all-ways sayin' the word YEW....

As in: Whut are YEW gonna DEW???

The trick is to get the accent down pat, and then be absurdly, snarkily, outrageously insulting while providing very bad and bossy advice! And of course, one has to interject a folksy saying or two in the mess as well!
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 01:03 AM
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21. Stop it!!!
I can hear him and its giving me the creeps! You can even impersonate him in writing.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 04:31 AM
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22. Heh heh,.....! nt
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:19 AM
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25. I heard him in my sleep last night!
Thanks a lot.

:silly:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 01:13 PM
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28. YEW dee-yid??
:rofl:



How's that WER-kin fer YEW?
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 08:42 PM
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29. Not too well I'm afraid
Now I'll see that FACE all night! :crazy:
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KingOfLostSouls Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:36 PM
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13. Biden already has plenty of endorsements
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbOa989IRYw


oh except kooch's, but he's too busy endorsing a republican...
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:39 PM
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16. Yeah, plus the ...
14-15? state legislators in Iowa?
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:43 PM
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17. Maybe Biden will get Clint Eastwood's endorsement
Probably not, but the spirit of your post is well-taken.

Biden is my second choice, but I believe that Obama can truly transform our nation, both domestically and globally. I would like to see them on a ticket together, as a matter of fact.

If Oprah can at least get people to pay attention to Obama, I'm fully in favor of her support. Hell, no matter who they happen to support, I'm not at all opposed to celebrities getting the average citizen interested and excited about the political process. It sucks that we seem to need celebrity endorsements for that, but unfortunately, we live in a self-absorbed, complacent society. It could be worse, but it could certainly be a hell of a lot better.

I hope Biden does do well in Iowa. I want Barack to win, of course, but I would really like to see Biden in the top three.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:02 AM
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23. I wholeheartedly agree on the Biden-Obama ticket...
I would love to see them together...I'd prefer Biden at the top (obviously)..but wouldn't complain either way.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:52 PM
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18. It just drives me nuts that the MSM appears to be unaware...
that Biden is even a candidate.

That reminds me of the way they treated Edwards in '04. I sent quite a number of e-mails to the pundits telling them that they should be looking at Edwards. He did seem to finally start building some momentum, but there wasn't enough time left before the primaries and the MSM anointed Kerry. (Unfortunately.)

I have to admit that I'm feeling pretty cynical and fed-up with the whole process at this point.

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KingOfLostSouls Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:33 PM
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20. honestly
what in god's green earth makes you think the MSM wants the most experienced and formidable candidate to get the nomination?

not to detract from the others (Ok thats a lie, but I'm going to do it anyways) but biden would tear the GOP a new one in the general. he's as formidable as it gets and he does something that the others can't do, with the exception of some of edward's appeal: he can bring over swing voters, moderates, AND keep the party together without running to the center in the election to pander. he's pretty plain spoken about his candidacy and his positions so there won't be any, "I was for it before I was against it" attack ads.

I feel that with biden as president he can do what we need from a president, which is focus on international policy and send good bills down to congress. with a democratic congress, things will get done. we're all debating over this little point and that little point but biden could get bills through congress on both sides, as well as he'd be a lot more hands off in letting his compatriots actually legislate as a co-equal branch.

like I said, that scares the corporate MSM. why on god's green earth would they want a man in charge who can get things done?
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:45 PM
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27. Yes....
I see two things happening in this situation:

1) The pundits are fixated on the horserace and all want to be the one who can claim to have "called" the winner. There is a certain amount of blatant stupidity in this, but it keeps them employed.

2) On a more sinister level, their corporate masters encourage them to keep focusing on the primary candidates that have the poorest chance of winning the general election and/or will be able to get things done if he/she does win. The really aggravating thing is that the MSM rushes to anoint a front runner, which effectively shuts out other candidates.

I thought Edwards was the most "electable" candidate in '04. This round, I'm leaning heavily toward Biden. Not only is he the most experienced, competent and likeable, but I think that a wider range of voters would gravitate toward his experience and longevity in these insecure times, particularly regarding foreign policy.

Before the next debate, we should wage an e-mail campaign to demand they give more time to Biden.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 11:00 PM
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30. Good post. I agree.
The main stream media has become a main stream menace to our country due to their corporate affiliates' quest for more and more money. Look what they allowed Bush to get away with during the run up to war. They should have made all the facts clear to the American people. They didn't. For example, 6 months into the war 70% of America believe Saddam was behind 9/11. That fact put the fear of God in me for our country's future. It's hard to sit back and watch that kind of thing happen. Bush should be rotting away in a prison cell. Our sorry news media bears some of the responsibility for that gross deception Bush perpetrated on this nation. It's a tough problem.
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