Do Nader and Green haters hate Dennis too?

[GreenPartyVoter]

Or is this more about spoiler issues in the voting process rather than platforms?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

1. Look I don't hate anyone..not even my worst enemy

I don't hate GReens and I don't hate Nader. I do think the progressive/liberal vote is the largest voting block in the country and that by diluting its power through division, it has shot itself in the foot.

How hatred filled is that?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

Well said.

[buddhamama]

8. pretty intense. i suggest you seek counseling immediately

kidding of course.

and i happen to agree with you.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

24. ROFL I read the message before I read the handle

:loveya:

[buddhamama]

32. were you ready to tear into me ?

that could have been fun! :loveya:

[donco6]

23. Couldn't have said it better myself. eom

[patricia92243]

2. K is not a threat - sorry :( Nadar is a big threat

[Blue_Chill]

3. I dislike the sore loser aspect of Nader and the greens

Instead of realizing that they aren't a large enough group to impose their wants on the majority they prefer to stab at the democratic party by stealing from thier base of voters. This indirectly but significantly helps the right wing. I can't respect that and I have a strong dislike for those that behave that way.

[GreenPartyVoter]

10. You can't steal a person's vote, though. It belongs to the individual

Unless you own Diebold. :puke:

So it sounds like you have a mix of the two concerns though. You don't seem to feel the Green platform speaks to many people AND you worry about spoiler issues.

Have you contacted your Senators and reps about ranked voting yet? Keep kicking them in the butt and remind them that they work for you. ;)

[HowdyDUit]

14. stealing from thier base of voters.

Oh please DU tell how a candidate can "steal" a vote from someone that would vote for them anyway.

[edzontar]

4. Some of them seem to have lots of hatred to spread around.

And most of them seem to have really hated Dean.

In fact I would say that ABB is, above all, an anti-Dean slogan, although I am nt really sure why, exactly, since Dean takes that position.

[silver state d]

17. I LIKE DEAN!!!!!!

He is a fine american and a stand up Guy, i did caucus for edwards but dean has done and will do great things for the party. his honesty an ernestness are refreshing and his desire to work in the party and against Bush at some personal sacrifice tells me that his is the leader he appears to be. Don't let any trash talker bring ya down.

[indigo32]

26. Thats funny cuz I always saw Dean as far more electable than Kerry

that was part of the reason I supported him... but by no means all.

[The Magistrate]

36. That Slogan, Mr. Zontar

Has nothing to do with Gov. dean. It is a sad fact that in this forum, statements that the nominee of the Party should not be voted for if that nominee was not the speaker's preference have most frequently come from supporters of Gov. Dean. Thus it is persons who declare they will support Gov. Dean only, and will not vote in the general election for any other Democrat, who have found themselves being urged to reconsider....

"Kill one, warn one hundred."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

42. ABB is anti-Dean?

:eyes:

I'm ABB. I'd have supported Dean if he was the nominee, how's that for anti-Dean?

[mot78]

5. I don't hate DK

He's someone who's fighting to change the Democratic party from the inside, therefore, he's not a Bush* enabler.

[Indiana Democrat]

6. No.

But if he was to run as a 3rd Party candidate, I would.

[Codeblue]

20. So you think a two party system

is the way to go? No new ideas in other parties? That seems like conservative talk to me. Everyone has a right to run for president. If someone out there doesnt agree with either Repubs or Dems, why should they run on a Dem or Repub ticket?

You are incredibly closed minded.

[GreenPartyVoter]

28. Hi Code Blue, Welcome to DU and

thanks for jumping in with your two cents.

Obviously as a Green I favor multiple parties. (As I said elsewhere, demanding supprt for the Dems and Repubs by Green party members and indies is very much like demanding Baptists to choose between attending Temple and Mass. Sure there are some similarities there and they may be happy at either one, but odds are if they could they would go to a Baptist church. Not sure why it's so hard for folks to understand that same concept when it comes to voting though. :shrug: )

[buddhamama]

33. Welcome to DU, Codeblue

glad to have you underground.

the majority of us here are not close minded. and let me just say, that i appreciate an open minded person and i'm very relieved to see that you are one.

the two party system mantra is a misnomer.
when 50% electorate doesn't vote
it is pretty apparent that the system could
accommodate more than two political parties.

anyway, again Welcome.

[newyawker99]

39. Hi Codeblue!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[wellstone_democrat]

7. Hey, where;'s Ralph been for three years?

Busy three years on the domestic and foriegn fronts. Where has St. Ralph been if he is so reform minded and so caring. Out fighting the good fight or meeting with people like Grover Norquist?

[Cocoa]

9. I love Dennis

and I love the party he chose to run in.

[GreenPartyVoter]

13. I love DK too. I respect that he won't run as a Green

and that is fine with me. But I am also very glad that he respects my choice to BE a Green, and that he would fight for election reform so that my vote will count every time I visit the polls. :)

[silver state d]

11. good god no..........

i like dennis and the greens for the most part i just feel they should focus on local and congressional stuff thats the best way to build a party. the ways things stand now a couple o G's in the house and senate could really shake stuff up and i mean every day not just once every four years.

[mitchum]

12. Do all Green Party voters have a persecution complex...

or just some?

Of course it's about spoiler issues (but you already know that)

[GreenPartyVoter]

15. It's not really a complex.. just look at all the anti

Green and Nader threads around here. *l* Am very surprised that there aren't any anti-Socialist ones too.

I do think for most folks it's about the spoiler issue, but there are still plenty who don't care for our platform, so the question was valid.

[mitchum]

19. Fancy that! Anti- Green and Nader threads on DEMOCRATIC...

Underground. And please don't come back with that "...we welcome all progressives..." from the mission statement.
The Green platform isn't FAR ENOUGH left for me, so I will at least go with my pragmatic side

[mobuto]

16. Of course not

I don't personally think DK would be an effective candidate, but I have nothing against him. He recognizes the importance of working within the Democratic Party to accomplish Progressive ends.

[kher-heb]

18. They hate Democracy

and they hate people who think for themselves.

[ScrewyRabbit]

21. Hey, that's like asking if you still beat your wife

I certainly don't hate the greens, since I often vote green here in San Francisco. I agree with many of DK's views, but I wish he would drop out so we can get on with electing someone who is center enough to beat Bush. I respect Nader's past work but really regret his self-serving and ultimately destructive blunder onto the political stage here in 04.

[GreenPartyVoter]

25. It's only like that if you don't hate the Greens and Nader

otherwise it's a valid question. (I posted it when there were something like a dozen anti-nader and third party threads on the first page of this board. Just really felt I had to ask the question at that point. *lol*)

[lancdem]

22. Is Dennis running as an independent?

I didn't think so.

[wellstone dem]

27. It's only the greens

I will never, ever, ever forgive the Green Party for running someone against Paul Wellstone. They lost all integrity.

[GreenPartyVoter]

29. That was a disappointing situation

Not sure what the case was there, but I do know sometimes we run candidates against other progressives ev en when we don't wish to simply because we have to do it to keeo our party alive. That's another one of those sucky election rules we need to reform.

[DFLer4edu]

30. I love DK!!!!!

But Nader needs to stop running for president. He doesn't build a party, he destroys ours. If he just runs every 4 years, he's killing us. Our system is not set up for 3rd party candidates. Dennis is great because he has the values of a 3rd party candidate, without being someone who does what's best for their "consious" and votes 3rd party, getting a Republican into office. Dennis is my favorite candidate who is still in the race.

P.S. I don't hate the Greens or Nader, but they really get me!

[GreenPartyVoter]

31. Well then keep pushing for election reform

and eventually we can kill off this spoiler issue.

[DFLer4edu]

37. A ranking system would be the best

The best way to vote is a system in which you rank the candidates. I I know this type of system has a name, but I am blanking on it. If we had a ranking system, I would have no problem with Nader. But as the current system is set up, I think progressives need to push for election reform instead of going 3rd party. I'm as idealistic as any, but right now 3rd party and independants are killing us! If we had the ranking system my home state (Minnesota) wouldn't have a republican governor. It would have been a 9 point landslide if we had the system. http://news.mpr.org/features/200211/06_khoom_gov/ Gov. Pawlenty is currently sucking the marrow out of Minnesota.

[The Magistrate]

34. Rep. Kucinich, Ma'am

Is a fine fellow, though it does not seem likely to me he could carry a single state in a Presidential election, and so is not my prefered candidate. He has conducted himself during his primary campaign, and those persons who support him in this forum have generally been positive and decent in their advocacy, for which they deserve commendation.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[HuskerDem]

35. Dennis is a good Democrat who will support our nominee

So not even remotely related.

[JohnKleeb]

38. I think their problem is more with spoiler issues

I personally am ABB but I dont believe in forcing people to vote dem, however I highly encourage it.

[LandOLincoln]

40. No one hates the Greens or Kooch. I'm a former Green, as a matter of fact,

and I hate what Nader did to the Green Party. So does the Green leadership, apparently--they won't touch him this time around. If he runs, it will have to be as an Independent.

And I've despised Nader for over 30 years. Some of us saw what he really was a very long time ago. I think Dennis is naive if he really thinks Nader is a fellow progressive, because he's anything but. Dennis is a loyal Democrat. Nader is a loyal Republican masquerading as a progressive in order to destroy the Democrats.

Big difference, you know?

[boobooday]

41. Don't hate Nader

Don't even care if he runs or not. Voting for survival this year.

Kucinich supporter. Will vote ABB.

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