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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:43 PM
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Watching the Repug debate, I'm frankly scared for this country's future
I find Ron Paul to be the most entertaining of all of them. He is unacceptable for a number of reasons, but he is clearly the only sane one on the stage. He has no chance of ever being the nominee.

Watching the YouTube questions is disturbing. Watching the ads the candidates are running is a combination of juvenile ignorance and woefully least-common denominator jingoistic stupidity.

The Fear Machine that Bush has created has spawned even more fear and ignorance where these men running for President feel that the American Spirit is nothing more than the thoughts and actions of schoolyard bullies.

To think that there are people out there that find any of these characters worthy of being President is scary. I've seen Presidential races since the 1980s and this latest crop is clearly the oddest, most dripping with hate and despicable in my memory.



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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:44 PM
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1. They Have Finally Become Cartoons
and living, breathing parodies.
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ConfidentialStatus Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:43 AM
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32. The Bible question
was a winner! Not! Huckabee "love thy neighbor" but kill thousands of innocent people in another country. The hypocrisy is astounding.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:44 PM
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2. Nice Post
I agree with your assessment.

-P
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:45 PM
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3. the people of faith republicans declare holy war on America, like a US Taliban nt
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:46 PM
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4. Astonishing!!!
I keep asking myself who the people are who could possibly see our country's future in that group of throwbacks ~ they'd take us back to the 1950s at least!
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 11:47 AM
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37. Given where chimpolini has taken the country...
wouldn't the fifties be an improvement???
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:28 PM
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38. Not if you're black, Hispanic, gay or female. nt
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:47 PM
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5. Really.....
Just what planet are these guys from?
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:48 PM
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6. There's no way the Dems aren't taking the WH and Congress in 2008
The wingnuts running for Prez appear to me as being asylum inmates out on temporary work-release...

No way the country is as nutty as these clowns
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:48 PM
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7. Recommended.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:49 PM
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8. a huge pile of elephant shit....
that reeks so bad it makes me want to puke. I am dumb-founded...or I'm finding myself dumb..because my mind can not grasp how any of this debate is relevant to my current reality. It's like watching sci-fi...bad sci-fi...totally unbelievable and very scary indeed.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:51 PM
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9. On an equally sad note, a coworker who listens to hate radio
all day long.... amuses me. He on the other hand is not so amused when I ask him, "Why do you hate America"???
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:04 PM
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10. these guys are the head of the pimple.
they unfortunately are a very accurate reflection of miliions of our fellow citizens.

ronald started splitting the rail with his politics of greed and racism -- these guys are following through.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:05 PM
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11. These people are deranged.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:08 PM
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12. Just got home, haven't seen it yet.
I'm just about ready to watch it on line.

Should I pour myself a stiff drink now or save that for after the trauma?

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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:12 PM
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13. You don't want to watch that crap sober
Trust me.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:14 PM
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14. Thanks for the warning!


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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:16 PM
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15. Absolutely totally agree.. I am seriously frightened
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:18 PM
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16. Yes, very frightening without the rule of law and the constitution
to stop them from ever getting power should we fail in 08. That's the cost for not doing their jobs in congress. I and my family will be leaving if they hold onto the presidency.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:21 PM
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17. Until recently I thought there was a chance they were just playing to
the mouth breathers but as time went by and I heard more and more of their bizarre pronouncements I realized they ARE the mouth breathers
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:28 PM
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18. I'm sure a Repug I work with will think that Romney "won"
It's just plain confounding that some Republicans that I know who are otherwise seemingly decent people can agree with 10% of what any of these candidates think.

That's what is scary.

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:37 PM
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19. 5th K&R and a hearty I agree.
:scared:
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:49 PM
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20. Too bad we can't verify the votes, Until we can it's a circus imo.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:51 PM
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21. And still register support in the 40's
I don't know what the hell is wrong with the people in this country. I don't think we could find a bigger bunch of buffoons if we purposefully set out across the country to find some. And yet half the country look at these nitwits and think, yeah, they speak for me. :crazy:
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:58 PM
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22. Partially agree
McCain has gone off the deep end, but Romney on don't ask don't tell, and Thompson (I can't recall the issue) actually took positions that were liberal just 15 years ago. It does show some progress that things are somewhat getting through.

It reminds me of one of the best lines I saw written regarding Liberal Media Bias, specifically as it relates to Hollywood and movies. The writer said righties always complain about Conservatives being the heavies in movies. It is not a liberal bias it is because when movies are made 10 - 20 years after an event the conservatives look bad because they were so fucking wrong.

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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:03 PM
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23. Aldous Huxley and George Orwell could not have imagined this turn of events.
The GOP uses a script designed to elicit decades of conditioned responses. The response and revulsion they elicit in me is similar to response I have for Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot. Make no mistake all are capable of being maybe more subtle monsters, but monsters none the less.
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:08 PM
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24. Not only are they scary,
but they are POWERFUL!

This Mad Christian Disease has infected our country to the point of fatality. I find it to be the most destructive force operating in our nation. It operates from a base of fear, loathing & guilt. Any psychologist will tell you, the most important driving force in an individual is their "belief system", and these fukkers have lassoed the shepple.

WTF was that question about the Bible, anyway? That was really freaky! :freak: But, they all lapped that up.

This is simply horrifying! :scared:
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:30 PM
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27. I am not sure they lapped it up
That dude would have to scare even the majority of hard core evangelicals. Someone in law enforcement needs to drive by his house and check things out.

Yes these people are scary, but we all need to realize that most people pay very little attention, they aren't political junkies and they are just wired different. It has been discussed numerous times how fear can motivate people and it seems to be that it works. Last month during the fires out here the sheriffs department came through three hours after the fires had passed and announced that we should evacuate. By this time all the hills and canyons had burned within at least a mile from the houses. A neighbor ran down and asked did I hear that. I responded everything that can burn has burned, (you literally could walk out the front door and come to the logical conclusion, no brush left, fire out, even with a minor flare up nothing that a hose couldn't knock down in a minute) he responded "but the sheriffs said we should leave." (is should be noted that no sheriffs were around during the fire)
I started to try to use logic, then figured screw it and responded yup, you better leave. These same neighbors also stocked up on the duct tape and visqueen after 911. So you can guess who these people voted for in 2000 and 2004 and they will vote for one of these guys, because they stand up there and tell the followers that they will keep them safe from those crazy Terrorists.

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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:39 PM
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28. Is your home OK? Those fires were very scary just watching on TV,
I can't imagine BEING there.

Apparently your neighbor is one of those "can't think for myself" robots. Sad there ARE so many of them.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:00 PM
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29. Home fine thanks
If we can get some rain then maybe the minor ash problem will be O.K.

As for the Neighbors, I live in Orange County, so the sheep mentality is alive and well.
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:03 AM
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30. Glad all is OK.
I can relate to the sheep mentality, I live in the South. Our sheep are of different species, but the basic critter is the same.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:12 PM
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25. I've been scared for decades -- and if I were older, I would have been scared longer
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:16 PM
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26. What scares me more than these idiot candidates.....
are the idiots who flock to their speeches and act like they are gods gift to america.
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ConfidentialStatus Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:21 AM
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31. I be scared too
Edited on Thu Nov-29-07 12:24 AM by ConfidentialStatus
When people think this. I thought this was common knowledge. Even CNN Lou Dobbs talked about the NAU. Is this one of CNN's planted questions?


This question is for Ron Paul.

I've met a lot of your supporters online, but I've noticed that a good number of them seem to buy into this conspiracy theory regarding the Council of Foreign Relations, and some plan to make a North American union by merging the United States with Canada and Mexico.

These supporters of yours seem to think that you also believe in this theory. So my question to you is: Do you really believe in all this, or are people just putting words in your mouth?

COOPER: Congressman Paul, 90 seconds.

PAUL: Well, it all depends on what you mean by "all of this." the CFR exists, the Trilateral Commission exists. And it's a, quote, "conspiracy of ideas." This is an ideological battle. Some people believe in globalism. Others of us believe in national sovereignty.

And there is a move on toward a North American union, just like early on there was a move on for a European Union, and it eventually ended up.

PAUL: And there is a move on toward a North American Union, just like early on there was a move on for a European Union, and eventually ended up. So we had NAFTA and moving toward a NAFTA highway. These are real things. It's not somebody made these up. It's not a conspiracy. They don't talk about it, and they might not admit about it, but there's been money spent on it. There was legislation passed in the Texas legislature unanimously to put a halt on it. They're planning on millions of acres taken by eminent domain for an international highway from Mexico to Canada, which is going to make the immigration problem that much worse. So it's not so much a secretive conspiracy, it's a contest between ideologies, whether we believe in our institutions here, our national sovereignty, our Constitution, or are we going to further move into the direction of international government, more U.N.

PAUL: You know, this country goes to war under U.N. resolutions. I don't like big government in Washington, so I don't like this trend toward international government. We have a WTO that wants to control our drug industry, our nutritional products. So, I'm against all that.

But it's not so much as a sinister conspiracy. It's just knowledge is out there. If we look for it, you'll realize that our national sovereignty is under threat.
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 01:12 AM
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33. Ron Paul is certifiable n/t
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ConfidentialStatus Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 11:36 AM
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36. What do you mean by that?
Ron Paul was asked about the North American Union (Conspiracy) so when was his opportunity to deny that he disagreed with them. He has already done this many times before... CFR... The Trilateral Commission (the questioner brought it up) is not a fictional organizations. It is is real and pushes an interventionist/establishment agenda. Ron Paul simply pointed that out. He specifically rejected the idea that the Organizations was part of a hidden conspiracy. It was a perfectly reasonable answer.

Do people honestly think Ron Paul is a kook because the caller thinks this is all a conspiracy started by the Ron Paul camp? Oh my! The media and their agenda is so transparent.

He had the least time of any other candidate. The first time he spoke came almost 45 minutes into the debate. If you combine the time Dennis and Ron receive they would be behind the media darlings on either side... Dem or Repub.

I'm surprised they didn't plant this question for Ron. Tell us, Dr. Paul, when did you stop eating babies as one other DUer said? Another good one would've been... Dr. Paul, Do little green men visit you and talk about the billburgers, build a burger or whatever you call that group?

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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 07:18 AM
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34. They are all extensions of George W. Bush, but with better grammar.
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ConfidentialStatus Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 02:28 PM
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39. Except the one they asked the Conspiracy question
That one had very little talking time, in case you don't know, it's Ron Paul.

About the conspiracy question. Out of thousand of questions, they pick this?! I happen to agree with him here. He didnt say there was a conspiracy, but there were people with a shared agenda that is at odds with the principles on which America was founded. Do you disagree? But still, the choice of this question seems designed to marginalize him. Just like the establishment is doing to Dennis.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:19 AM
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35. It was a scary scary thing.
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