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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:57 PM
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Why can't politicians just own up and say:"My bad--I'll try to learn from my mistakes
and not do such an awful thing next time"?

Why can't your candidate do such a thing? Is there ANY forgiveness for a slip of vote tabulator, tongue, brain, or other anatomical part? The sartorial hiccup? The DELIBERATE MSM SPIN? (Oops, my apologies--I made a mistake and shouted. I'll use my inside voice next time, I promise...)

I guess I'm asking why we expect perfection of the candidates we DON'T support and forgive this flaw in the candidates that we do?












Note: For those who haven't figured it out from my previous thread today, I remain defiantly uncommitted--but I think this bears discussion as the constant MSM "American Idol"esque backbiting by candidate backers on this board is NOT helping.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 05:02 PM
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1. As Joe Biden would say, "I'm not comfortable with it."..n/t
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 05:16 PM
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2. Damn, my popcorn wasn't even ready. nt
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 05:55 PM
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13. Oh lord, LOL.....
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 05:28 PM
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6. monmouth...
your post is kind of nebulous. Surely you are not suggesting that Biden has said he's not comfortable owning up to his mistakes? Because he has.

I'm sure I'm just misunderstanding your comment, right?
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 05:41 PM
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10. No no no...What I meant is that Joe is not comfortable with bashing
or snarking other candidates......
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 05:45 PM
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12. LOL....I thought that's what you meant...
just didn't want to leave an opening for doubt for....well, you know.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 05:19 PM
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3. It's a bullshit Social Darwinist mentality.
If you admit to a weakness, then you'll be seen as weak.

IMO, I have little respect for people who won't own-up, but it seems to be rewarded in our society - even though everybody involved knows it bullshit. I guess we respect bullshit.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 05:21 PM
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4. Some do.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 05:22 PM
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5. John Kerry tried that, remember how he was painted? n/t.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 05:30 PM
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7. No, care to refresh my memory?
About what? When?

I give props to amyone who's big enough to admit when he blows it. Love to see some of the current candidates own up to their mistakes--like ill-advised votes...
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 05:36 PM
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8. I really think that's all we the people are asking for - to be leveled with so
we can move on to focus on the current issues together.

I even forgave GHW Bush after his "read my lips no new taxes" thing when, after becoming president, he came to the American people and said, essentially, that he hadn't understood the severity of the problems, he was wrong, and apologized when he DID raise taxes.

A note: I think the person has to be sincere in their apology - it's not enough to just give it lip service.



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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 05:38 PM
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9. Hillary Clinton has admitted to making mistakes in her career and public life
There was the Stand By Your Man incident, the baking cookies incident, and the Health Care fiasco just off the top of my head
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 05:42 PM
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11. If one does, be skeptical:
the candidate probably doesn't really intend to learn from the mistake, is only seeking to 'get beyond' the issue.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:18 PM
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14. Didn't John Edwards say he made a mistake on the IWR? n/t
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:19 PM
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15. Edwards has said that almost his entire Senate career was a mistake
though not quite in those words
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:25 PM
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18. You know....
I've read all of your stuff, since I've been here, and you bring nothing to the tabel.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:27 PM
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19. Thanks for bringing nothing to the table
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 06:28 PM by cuke
I don't suppose you'd be willing to answer the questions I asked you yesterday. My guess is you prefer to leave your accusations as nothing more than innuendo
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:31 PM
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20. If i missed any questions form you....
I'll be happy to try my best to answer them.

So what's ya got? I'm all ears.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:33 PM
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21. Which one of Clinton's endorsements were "bought",
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 06:36 PM by cuke
how were they bought, and what evidence do you have to support your accusation?

on edit: a link to bring you back up to speed

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:41 PM
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22. *crickets*
again
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:47 PM
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24. Nothing at the tabel... again.
Forget how to read? Or is it just the inpatients of your foolish youth?
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:50 PM
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25. *crickets*
again.... hummmm.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:56 PM
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29. Hey where did Cuke go?
He was here just a second ago. If anyone sees him, tell him I'm waiting.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:44 PM
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23. What exactly did you not understand?
"Most of those people have more integrity in their pinky finger than you do in your body"

My answer to your question:

This was the statement I took objection to. Again, this was my answer to you,

In my original reply, I should have worded it differently. I didn't mean to insinuate that these people took money in brown paper bags.

I'll say I'm sorry for inferring that.

Maybe I should have said: Look what Celebrity can buy. Or, look what the DLC can buy. Maybe that would have been more accurate.

Again, I didn't mean to accuse Rep Lewis, Maya, or anyone of actually TAKING money. SORRY if you saw the word "bribe" in my original reply. It wasn't there. If you keep going along this path then am I to assume that there are no rules about questioning your intelligence?

I'm not questioning the integrity of anyone here, on DU, or calling you or anyone else on DU, a liar for holding an opinion. Think what you like, call my candidate, or any other public figure to task as you like. A personal insult is a personal insult. No matter how you want to dress it.

And by the way, I have no personal problem with you, or whoever you support.

I stand by my accusation that you bring nothing to the table. Turning someones words around, is not something at the table. C'mon, I'm in a mood, so bring it.

I'll say it again.

Meet the new boss...

...same as the old boss.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:55 PM
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27. So you continue to engage in innuendo
1) Who are you accusing of being bought?
2) Exactly how were they bought?
3) What evidence do you have to support your accusations?

I notice you still won't answer these simple questions. And you wonder why your integrity has been questioned
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:11 PM
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31. .
1. Just about everyone on that silly little list.
2. They were bought buy the pull of a former POTUS, Mark Peen Inc., and Celebrity Worship.
3. No evidence other then their endorsement of the candidate who I believe "bought" them. And it's my opinion, that most people involved with these corporate shills are not looking out for our, the poor, working, and middle class people, best interests.

If you don't like my answer, that is your problem, not mine.

You seem like someone who's never played on game day. You seem like someone that only sits on the sidelines and cheers or chides, based on who is at bat. Maybe I'm wrong.

Bring something to play with. Again, what have you got?
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:13 PM
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32. So you still prefer innuendo and baseless accusations
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 07:13 PM by cuke
with no evidence to back it up. Ironic given the subject line of the OP

I stand by my characterization of your integrity (or lack thereof)
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:15 PM
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33. I'm crushed.
Funny, your characterization of my integrity, was never an issue for me.

Again, who do you support? Why? Man, it's really easy to do what you do.

At least we have someone to keep the bench warm.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:17 PM
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34. You even re-posted your post where you complained about your integrity being questioned
and now you want to pretend that you never cared.

I bet those grapes were sour, right?
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:27 PM
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35. And you were not the one that questioned it.
So as usual, some looser puts his nose in, and then gets it punched.

Go tell your mom.

And I'm still waiting for you to say something, anything of substance about something, or anything.

You're mad because I made an off hand comment that many of the Clinton supporters were "bought." That's all you talk about. This is GDP. Got anything of substance to discuss?

Here's an idea. Post something. Say something of value.

Oh, I forgot, so far I've never seen you do that here. Guess you don't know how.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:31 PM
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36. You just keep backing up and backing up
You accuse unnamed people of unname acts, and you think you've added something of substance

"You're mad because I made an off hand comment that many of the Clinton supporters were "bought." "

I'm amused by posters who are so easily exposed as having so little to offer that they won't even defend or even clarify, their own remarks and I'm happy to remind them of their shallow mindset at every opportunity

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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:38 PM
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38. Just because you keep saying it, it don't make it true.
And again, you've brought nothing. I will say whatever I like about any public figure here. That is my right.

All you have to do is compare what I post here to what you post and we see who brings substance. If you don't like my views, I'm sorry. At least we know my views. All you have done is talk about what you think of me.

As for amusing you, I'm glad. I guess you spend a great deal of time thinking about it.

Now, I will ask you one last time. Bring me something on an issue. Something about politics. An article I can read. A link that will enlighten me. Something more than sitting on the side lines, just taking sissy shots. How sad for you.

I'll wait.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:40 PM
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39. Yes, I know you'll say "whatever" you like
without regard or concern for the facts and the truth.

Here's the issue - Why do you make baseless accusations?
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:52 PM
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42. Because it is my belief.
The Clinton's, and a lot of people that support them; Mark Penn, Big Pharma, Big Corporate, a lot of people on the list, are liars and crooks. I don't like them, and I don't trust them. That is my opinion.

Don't you have anything better to do?
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:33 PM
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37. LOL!!! "some looser puts his nose in, and then gets it punched"
Sort of like the way you butted into this thread and got your nose punched in

And it's spelled "loser", not "looser". "Looser" refers to your integrity
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:41 PM
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40. Yeah, I'm just a working slob. I'm not great at spelling.
But my sideliner detector is working perfectly. And it tells me that, my friend, is the only thing you'll ever do, sit on the sideline and snark.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:43 PM
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41. I guess I'll never match the sophisticated innuendo you put out
Oh well
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:53 PM
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43. I can guarantee you of one thing for sure.
You are without a doubt more sophisticated than me.

Good luck with that.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:21 PM
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16. JFK in 1961.
He took responsibility for the Bay of Pigs, even though it was not entirely his fault. Though it was a serious error -- and he did err in trusting some advisers -- his approval ratings increased significantly when the public saw he was taking responsibility.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:24 PM
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17. I believe Jimmy Carter took responsibility
for the failed hostage rescue.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:53 PM
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26. It would be nice
Unfortunately the media would pounce on it while allowing a liar off the hook. Remember 60 million people voted for a proven liar who never admits mistakes.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:55 PM
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28. Many Have... But Still Others Don't Accept This Type Of Explanation!
It's weird, I change my mind all the time. Sure, it may not be on a monumental scale, but humans do make mistakes and I can forgive that more than someone who KNOWS it was wrong and still WON'T come to terms with it! I think that's called stubbornness and NOT being open-minded!
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:56 PM
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30. Evolving? Learning from mistakes?
Bobby Kennedy did :patriot:
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:54 PM
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44. Why don't you like to beat Republicans? nt
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