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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:38 PM
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NBC's First Read: Obama on Mandates, Bill Clinton
Obama on Mandates, Bill Clinton

Wednesday, November 28, 2007 2:54 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC/NJ's Aswini Anburajan

Obama once again questioned Clintons health-care plan, saying that her criticisms of own his plan, which does not mandate health insurance for all Americans, overlook the costs of health care. And he criticized her for not explaining how she would mandate coverage. Unfortunately she hasnt told anybody how she would enforce this mandate, Obama said.

Until she clarifies what she would do to enforce this mandate, is she going to fine people or take other steps to enforce this? Its more of a political point shes trying to make a than a real point, he added.

Regarding President Bill Clintons statement yesterday that he had opposed the Iraq war, Obama chuckled, If he did I dont think most of us heard about it. Obama wouldnt comment further on the issue, simply saying, All I know is that I opposed the war. Senator Clinton made a different decision. My understanding was that Senator Clinton and President Clinton were talking frequently, and youll have to ask them about that.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/11/28/48504...
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:42 PM
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1. Obama on mandates, then and now
From your article - In a conference call to announce the personal endorsement of Linda Nelson, president of the Iowa State Education Association, Obama said that he would fine parents in order to enforce the mandate in his health insurance plan that all children be covered.

I would sign them up in school in the same way they would get inoculated. I would fine parents if form some reason they refused. I am happy to be very clear on how we would enforce the mandate, Obama said. He went on to say that he believed that the vast majority of American parents wanted to ensure that their children did receive health coverage."

All of 4 days ago

"Health care insurance should not become a government mandate, Barack Obama said here today, referencing plans posed by John Edwards and Hillary Clinton.

Obama said such mandates for health care coverage is a wrong step. He told a crowd of about 350 people at Thomas Jefferson High School that his plan would lower costs on average by about $2,500 per family, making health care affordable for all without placing demands."

http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=...
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:49 PM
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4. Obama's plan mandates healthcare for children, not adults.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:53 PM
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6. So he does favor government mandates on healthcare
His logic goes like this.

When attacking Clinton & Edwards

Mandates are bad because people do not forgo insurance because they do not want it but because they cannot afford it The 2nd part is true though he is mischaracterizing both plans to make his point.

When touting his own plan,

Mandates when applied to children are good regardless of people ability to afford the insurance or the subsequent fines under my plan for not insuring them.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:03 PM
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9. For children, yes.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 05:44 PM
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11. He does, except when he doesn't
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:21 PM
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14. Obama has always mandated healthcare for children, cuke.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:24 PM
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16. Like I said, Obama supports mandates, except when he doesnt
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:43 PM
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2. The candidates are being baited by the media to talk trash about each other.
I am pleased Obama is answering the questions and keeping the snark on the down low.

K&R :hi:

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:46 PM
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3. Awesome photo, AK!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:50 PM
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5. I am fired up and ready to go!
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:56 PM
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7. Yeah. That whole mandate thing is working out really well for MA.
:sarcasm:
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:03 PM
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8. I think the first thing he should do before he goes off half-cocked
trying to flame Hillary --- IS GET THE DAMN FACTS STRAIGHT.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:03 PM
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10. No what Obama ought to do is get someone who knows how to search
for the facts, and get them straight.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:02 PM
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12. He is right on both issues. nm
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:20 PM
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13. Furthermore, Hillary has yet to say how she would enforce her health care mandate.
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 06:21 PM by ClarkUSA
However, a surrogate of hers, Rep. Frank Pallone of NJ, said on MSNBC today to Norah O'Donnell that there would be a "penalty" for
people who didn't sign up, "just like in Massachusetts."

So iClinton is basing her health care plan mandate enofrcement on MittCare, which is a flop.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:22 PM
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15. Psssst Obama has stated he will be fining parents who do not cooperate with his healthcare plan (nt)
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:26 PM
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17. Hillary's toothless plan has no provision for insuring folks buy her mandated healthcare coverage
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:28 PM
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18. Pssssst, he says what he will do to make his plan happen, she doesn't
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:21 PM
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19. He says he'll do what he criticizes Hillary for doing
forcing families to buy insurance even if they can't afford it. And if they don't buy insurance they can't afford, Obama is going to make it more affordable by punishing the parents.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:30 PM
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20. Dang--he apparently has not been listening.
HillaryClinton.com

Most Savings Come Through Lowering Spending Due to Quality and Modernization: Over half the savings come from the public savings generated from Senator Clintons broader agenda to modernize the heath systems and reduce wasteful health spending.

A Net Tax Cut for American Taxpayers: The plan offers tens of millions of Americans a new tax credit to make premiums affordable-which more than offsets the increased revenues from the Plans provisions to limit the employer tax exclusion for health care and discontinue portions of the Bush tax cuts for those making over $250,000. Thus, the plan provides a net tax cut for American taxpayers.

Making the Employer Tax Exclusion for Health Care Fairer: The plan protects the current exclusion from taxes of employer-provided health premiums, but limits the exclusion for the high-end portion of very generous plans for those making over $250,000.


more Obama lies
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