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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:14 PM
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Poll question: who should we blame if we lose in 2008?

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:16 PM
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1. babysniffa
He or she will be to blame. Somehow. I'm sure of it.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:16 PM
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2. Wait and see
my guess is the current Justice Department.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:16 PM
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3. Other- ourselves n/t
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:17 PM
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4. My "Other" is
..the American people, for allowing their elections to be rigged and saying nothing.

If the Reeps steal another one, there will be no one to blame but ourselves. "First time, shame on you. Second time, shame on me". This would be the THIRD time if it happens.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:17 PM
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5. Oh, that's easy...
we'll blame Clinton.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:18 PM
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6. If it's a repeat of 2004, then it will be the DLC to blame.
Their plan, once again, is to shove the weakest candidate down our throats and tell us all that we like it. And if we don't, then we aren't "loyal Democrats". :puke:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:19 PM
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7. Other: Bill Clinton's seemingly omnipotent dick . nt
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:24 PM
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We aren't going to lose
I refuse to vote! I will not entertain that thought for one moment.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:24 PM
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8. Fear and Apathy n/t
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 02:25 PM by lamprey
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:25 PM
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9. People who call themselves Democrats
but do nothing but trash every candidate but their fav, giving the repbs plenty of talking points.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:23 PM
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31. I'll go with your choice
case in point, California's last two gubernatorial elections
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:25 PM
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10. I don't know who we would blame per se, but I
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 02:26 PM by cboy4
know who would get some of the blame:

Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul.

On edit (just to emphasize, so I don't get a bunch of shit).

I DON'T SUPPORT RON PAUL.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:40 PM
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22. Neither does Dennis.
Jumpin Jesus on a pogo stick, can we put that shit to rest already?
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:52 PM
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29. I know, that's my point dude.....It's why I mentioned
Paul's name.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:25 PM
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11. I notice the "crap candidate" option is outpacing the others.
As it should be. Don't pick a candidate you KNOW is going to divide the left and center, runs the risk of losing key states and the South.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:25 PM
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12. Other - Morons conceding defeat before we even cast a single vote for nominee.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:41 PM
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24. How about the morons claiming victory before we cast a single vote for nominee?
:evilgrin:
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:29 PM
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32. Ehhh while somewhat obnoxious I prefer we're gonna win as a mindset vs we're gonna lose (nt)
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:26 PM
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13. "Other"
Another lackluster campaign directed by campaign "packagers" who screwed up both the Gore and Kerry campaigns by packaging them as men who would not challenge the status quo, who would ensure business as usual, and who never, ever thought anything remotely controversial will ensure yawns.

Another campaign that focuses on a middle class that has disappeared along with a fictional bloc of GOP swing voters instead of the Democratic Party's base of working people will also fail to energize voters.

That's basically it. The GOP will focus on their base of government hating, tax whining, religious nuts. If the Democrats don't catch a clue and focus on our base, a base which has been slammed by bad conservative policies for the last 38 years, then they'll have another close election stolen from them.

Sadly, they'll deserve it.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:28 PM
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14. Other
The anti-religion, racist, hillbot, one-issue-voter gaytheists.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:30 PM
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17. Can you fucking believe someone voted for "the gays"
already?

Of course you can. :puke:
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:39 PM
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21. Isn't it amazing?
We're so powerful we cause all sorts of major natural disasters, make the Dems lose elections year after year, destroy "traditional marriage" and families, and wreak myriad other forms of havoc on Amurka and the world at large. Nonetheless we still can't manage to secure workplace and marriage rights for ourselves. :shrug:
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:44 PM
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36. As my favorite lesbian comedienne Suzanne Westenhoefer once said...
"Don't fuck with us. We'll destroy Kansas."

:rofl:
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:44 PM
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27. OK, I have to ask.... What is a "gaytheist"?
Never heard that one before.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:32 PM
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33. Gay + Atheist = gaytheist
:P
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:55 PM
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47. Well alright, that makes sense
In your earlier post, I thought it might have meant "Hillbots who don't believe in gays", since DLC types don't seem all that interested in equal rights for GLBT people.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:21 PM
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53. Unfortunately most of the Dem candidates don't seem all that interested
in equal rights for GLBT people. :-(
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:29 PM
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15. The Jackson Five said it best
Don't blame it on sunshine
Don't blame it on moonlight
Don't blame it on good times
Blame it on the boogie
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:29 PM
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16. The Dems on the Hill for Inability to form a serious opposition
party.

2.Bob Herbert, WaPO gave a great quote this week.

Describing the Democratic Candidates. "They sure gave us some
"weak tea" to hang our hopes on.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:31 PM
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18. The funniest thing, here, is that no one seems to have grokked
to the realization, yet, that it won't make any difference who gets elected in '08. It hasn't made any difference that the Democrats took over congress in '06 and it won't make any difference in '08. I know, I know, "It's the Supreme Court, Stupid!" But I am not convinced that the SC is that big of a deal, either. Democrats vote for Republican nominees consistently; Republicans can stop any Democratic nomination (because they WILL do it), so that isn't much of a big difference in my book. The Republic has become a Military Empire - it really doesn't matter who is named Consul -er - President...
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:36 PM
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20. ding ding ding ding - habemus victor
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:03 PM
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30. Listen Noodle bud, That was then, this is now. You guys all live in the past
and the corporate authorities just love you for it. Back in 2000 we had not yet completely lost the Republic, but now we have. So go ahead and masturbate on that "Dems are different than Repubs!" meme, but I'll ask you - how has it been different since Nov. '06?
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:27 PM
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42. I dunno about the Republic being "lost" in 2000. Some DUers here believe that happened 1963-11-22
The day Kennedy was murdered. I generally think that was a watershed moment that completely altered the course of American history for the last 40 years.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:04 PM
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52. I think that topic is very open for discussion. I certainly accept the concept
that the Republic has been disintegrating for many decades prior to the 2000 coup. I guess I was trying to explain the differences between what we might have expected from Democrats in 2000, as opposed to what we can expect from them today.

:hi:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:32 PM
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19. What is the point of this defeatist crap?
Oh, wait. We'll have only ourselves to blame for not appointing Kucinich our candidate. Got it. A back-handed push poll. How clever.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:42 PM
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35. To forestall starry-eyed overconfidence
The widely held belief that we really "can't lose" is as dangerous as it is simply wrong, and it'll help people dance merrily down the path to supporting a dicey candidate.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:41 PM
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23. I plan to blame it on the Bossa Nova.
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 02:41 PM by youthere
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:46 PM
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28. Or you could blame it on the rain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwrL9MV6jSk

Seriously, November is a wet month in some parts of the country.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:43 PM
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26. The whole damn Dem party for being completely without a clue.
And on top of that, the American people as a whole for voting their baser instincts.

Whatever happens to the American people under the next Repub administration, they will certainly deserve.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:40 PM
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34. The DLC
and the corpocrats
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Lone_Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:51 PM
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44. Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!!!!
DINOs have destroyed the party!
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:45 PM
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37. Other
I think it will be a combination of voter apathy, voter suppression, and vote tampering.

I sure as hell hope we can overcome all three. Our nation depends on it.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:03 PM
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38. The whole Dem party. nt
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:07 PM
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39. Other: Depends on what you mean by "lose"
If we have another shenanigan-filled, dirty-deed, underhanded, treasonous election that even a third-grader could see was fraudulent, then I will know exactly who to blame. I'm keeping my eyes on the exit polls (if we're allowed to have them). I don't think the Democrats have lost a Presidential election since Dukakis.

It would be appalling to lose an honest election to one of those Republic toads, but I don't see it happening.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:21 PM
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40. I thought the gays were statistically insignificant...sense when can they lose elections? nt.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:23 PM
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41. YOU!!!
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:14 PM
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43. Republicans.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:53 PM
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I am of the view that Gore won Florida in 2000, and Kerry won Ohio in 2004
Don't be surprised if the same shit happens again next year!

While we can blame the GOP for stolen elections, we must recognized that there are too many influential and powerful Democrats with a vested interest in not challenging election results. They pressured Gore to concede in 2000, and pressured Kerry to do the same in 2004 (Kerry threw in the towel almost immediately).
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Progressive Friend Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:53 PM
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45. Ultimately, it is Democratic party primary voters' fault if they select Hillary Clinton
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:53 PM
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46. The anti-Hillarites. Long may they flame.
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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:21 PM
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48. Blame it on the education of the voters
or lack thereof. And I mean from kindergarten on up. The dumbing down of America ensures that there is a great lack of capablilty of critical thinking. Consider No Child Left Behind and those Eloi who support it. Consider outcome based education. Consider that Civics is not taught in the public schools for the most part. Consider that Americans watch reality shows (BTW I love them!) instead of reading.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:25 PM
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49. You and your self-possessed posts.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 07:11 AM
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56. ooh, "self-possessed" - i like that term
i'll have to put that with the "casting asparagus" phrase. :thumbsup:
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:29 PM
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50. Hillary Clinton, of course!!
How could you miss that?
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:52 PM
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51. Al Qaeda, for hitting us again.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:31 PM
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54. Hillary Clinton. The only way we will lose is with her at the helm. nt
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:56 PM
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55. Bears!
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 07:15 AM
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57. The Clenis.
It always comes back to The Clenis.
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