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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:49 PM
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Isn't it time to give someone else besides a white guy a chance
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 02:55 PM by quinnox
to be president? Jesus, I'm a white guy and I think it is high time and past time to give a woman or a black man a chance in the White House. They certainly couldn't screw it up any more than our idiotic past presidents have done, all of whom have been white. No sir, not a great track record. Not at all. Oh sure, there have been a few here and there not totally mediocre and even a tiny few who have been good to great, but by and large it has not been inspiring to say the least.

This is one reason I am hoping either Hillary or Obama wins. Edwards is the same old dynasty of white men, I'm sick of it.

WE are supposed to be a progressive party, well the most progressive thing we could do is to end the white man rule of the White House! Just one time, lets see what happens?!
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:51 PM
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1. Everyone should get a chance
but just because someone is female or "non-white" doesn't automatically mean they should get my vote. It's about issues with me, not the color of one's skin.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:51 PM
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2. Not if they consistently vote for war and other dumb shit
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Greenwood Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:55 PM
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3. Why so concerned about race?
Let the best person do the job, regardless of race.

If the best person is a white man, well, so be it.
If the best person is a black man, well, so be it.
If the best person is a black woman, well, so be it.
If the best person is a white woman, well, so be it.
If the best person is of mixed race, well, so be it. Regardless of sex.

Race should not matter. Qualifications should.

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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:26 PM
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16. But
Really, it would be a great thing to break down the tradition of white males as president. Personally, if I were not particularly attracted to any of the candidates---that is, if I thought they would all be good presidents, I'd go for the woman or the African American in order to bring change to the institution of the executive office.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:01 PM
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4. Instead I would ask, Isn't it time we give someone other than a wealthy white guy a chance? n/t
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Frogger Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:05 PM
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5. The best man,
white or black, should get the opportunity.

I'd never vote for a black just because he was black, or a woman just because she's a woman.

Does his stand on the issues match mine? If so, he has my vote; if not, screw 'im, I voting for somebody than does.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:05 PM
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6. Elect someone who isn't the best person for the job just to make a statement?
That would be stupid.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:07 PM
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7. Sure, let's all vote for Alan Keyes or Elizabeth Dole.
I don't support minorities just because they happen to be minorities.

For example, I'm probably going to vote for Obama here in the Arizona primary, but if he were white as a sheet, my vote wouldn't change.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:10 PM
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8. Sure, if they're the best candidate. Otherwise, no, not for the fact that they aren't white men.
n/t
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:13 PM
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9. Well, speaking as an East Side Huguenot
...I'm voting for a West Side Catholic in the Primary.

THAT, if you like, is overcoming some barriers. :grouphug:

If Kooch were of a different gender or ethnicity, I'd vote for him then too.

And whoever gets the nod gets my vote in November '08. Even if it's a rich white guy.
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:16 PM
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10. How about we have at least ONE term since 1980 without a Bush or a Clinton in the White House?
You are worried about dynasties and yet you support Clinton???
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:17 PM
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11. Affirmative Action
Sometimes you have to consciously choose to break the barrier because the odds are so against it being broken otherwise.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:17 PM
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12. What a joke.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:20 PM
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13. Sure, I think it's time for a woman or black person to be in the White House.
Hell, why not a black woman and kill two birds with one stone so to speak?

However, I think the BEST PERSON FOR THE JOB should be in the White House, regardless of their sex, skin color, religion (or lack of), or sexual preference. That should be the main (and only) concern.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:26 PM
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17. The best person for the job should be a person who can be accepted by the
majority of voters in the country and win the presidency. I don't care if he/she is black, white. red, yellow or purple as long as that person is a Democrat.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:21 PM
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14. If you could show me that you supported Carol Moseley-Braun in '04 you'd have a grain of credibility
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:28 PM
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20. I know you're addressing the OP
but I supported her until she (I think) dropped out.
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:35 PM
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31. Oh snap!
:rofl:
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:22 PM
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15. Certainly
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 03:23 PM by goodgd_yall
I think Edwards, however, is addressing poverty and corporate power unlike the other candidates. I can't pass that up. But if Clinton wins, I will be happy that the country has the first woman president. I'd be less happy with O just because I really don't like the man. I'd rather we had a black president who is more connected personally, through family history and culture, with the bigotry toward black Americans and who has historical ties to the black civil rights movement.
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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:27 PM
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18. Why nominate someone just because they're not a white man?
That's just as bad as nominating someone just because they're a white man. What happened to qualifications and issues first, eh?
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:27 PM
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19. Race and gender are not and should not be the issue.
I will not vote for Hillary simply because she's a woman. I will not vote for Obama simply because he is African American. Nor would I vote for Richardson simply because he is a Latino.

Out of those three "non white guy" candidates, Richardson is the best qualified, but he's more conservative than I would like. However, due to the qualifications, I could vote for him in the general, if I had to.

I'm voting for Kucinich on the issues. So what if his wife is a foot taller than he is? So what if his name is harder to pronounce than "Bush" or "Clinton". It's the issues. It's the future of this country, which right about now boils down to whether or not there IS one.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:29 PM
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21. No! Once people see how well the other folks do, we white guys will never get another shot.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:29 PM
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22. lol
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Barb in Atl Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:33 PM
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30. Funny - nt
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:32 PM
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23. No.
Race or gender should not even be considered when choosing a nominee.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:33 PM
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24. I'm certainly not going to start allowing race or gender to be a factor when I vote
Those are right down near the bottom of the stack, just about the only things I give less consideration to than party affiliation.
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:46 PM
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25. Tokenism
No, thank you. Best qualified, please. Race or gender notwithstanding.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:55 PM
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26. This is odd coming from a Clinton supporter.
Most of my life theres been a Bush or a Clinton in the white house. Time for a change? Indeed. But not based on race or gender.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:00 PM
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27. It's time to do what's best for everyone.
It's long since past time for a black or a woman to be President, but that doesn't mean we should leap at deeply, deeply flawed candidates just to prove that point. It's not sensible due to electability, and it's not fair to the human race in general to nominate "just another corporatist".

Both of them are playing WAY too much with religion in the political sphere. Both--especially Clinton--are too beholden to the monied establishments. Obama's abusive demagoguery at the expense of gays shows him to be just another cynical opportunist, and it SERIOUSLY calls his empathy into account, and since this is what he's running on, it's little more than hollow posturing now.

Clinton's need to "out male" the males is as grotesquely stupid and dangerous as Bush and the Neocon's fantasy that they were going to "out-macho" a country full of Arab men.

What's best is what's best for ALL OF US.
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venable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:11 PM
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28. isnt' it time to give a real progressive agenda a chance?
If so, vote for Edwards.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:13 PM
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29. Yes, it's time.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:37 PM
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32. The color of your skin or your gender shouldn't matter
However it would be a stupid move to put a person in the White House on the color of his skin, or his or her gender? DONT you THINK?
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:39 PM
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33. I would rather think along the lines of perperation and intelligence
otherwise we will be back in the same mess we are in now with a daddies dumb son.
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:40 PM
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34. I'm a white guy too, but race and gender are absolutely irrelevant to me.
It comes down to being a good leader and who can begin to heal the 8 years of damage that the * Administration will have done. A Dem will do a hell of a lot better at that than a Repuke will at that task, so the Dem will get my support in the GE next year, no matter who he or she ends up being.

No one is going to automatically be a good leader by virtue of being one particular gender or race.

And by the way, if you're all for a non-Caucasian male winning the nomination, why doesn't your OP say jack about Richardson?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:54 PM
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35. If you didn't back Shirley Chisolm when she ran
you don't have a leg to stand on.
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