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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:00 PM
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New New York Poll- Hillary 56 The Ghoul 37 /The Ghoul 46- Obama 46
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:02 PM
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1. Woo-Ew!
Mixed news on that one.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:02 PM
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2. He also would have lost to her in 2000. THAT's why he dropped out. Losing to a GIRL! nt
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:04 PM
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3. He Was Running Much Better Against Her At The Time To Be Fair
I am really concerned we can "blow" this election and it would not be good; not good at all...
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:05 PM
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4. Obama is tied with him in his home state
that's pretty good!
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:07 PM
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6. New York Is One Of The Bluest States In The Union
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 01:07 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
It has gone blue in 60,64, 68, 76, 88, 92, 96, and 00...

To think a Dem has to spend one penny there is beyond troubling...
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Hawaii Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:15 PM
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7. And 04 to!
New York will stay Democratic for the forseeable future, :woohoo:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:17 PM
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9. I Forgot 04
But the problem with the Democratic base is the northeast is shrinking... We need to start making noise in the south (and) or west...
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Hawaii Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:16 PM
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27. I think the big cities will hold (and probably gain in population)
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 03:16 PM by Hawaii Hiker
which would mean after the 2010 census, CA. & NY. will probably gain electoral votes for the 2012 election..

I don't think the Democrats have to focus on the south...They should focus on those interor west states like Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico...And perhaps Iowa, & Missouri in the midwest...I mean, if Gore would have carried any one of those he'd have won (well, actually he did win) & if Kerry could have carried 2 of those, he have won (well, actually he won to) - just would have made it more official...
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:16 PM
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8. how many republican nominees were from NY?
60: Nixon (CA)
64: Goldwater (AZ)
68: Nixon (CA)
72: Nixon (CA)
76: Ford (MI)
80: Reagan (CA)
84: Reagan (CA)
88: Bush (TX)
92: Bush (TX)
96: Dole (KS)
00: Bush (TX)
04: Bush (TX)

answer: none.

The ball game is different when it's the guy's home state.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:26 PM
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13. The Gooper VP In 64 and 96 Was A New Yorker
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 01:26 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
If NY is competitive in September, regarless of the nominees for both parties,the Dems are on their way to losing at least forty states... You can bookmark this post...
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:30 PM
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28. Edwards was from NC
and he did squat in NC to help Kerry.

It's not the same as the guy at the top of the ticket.

and NY won't be competitive in September becuase either Giuliani won't win, or there will be a religious right third party candidate.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:42 PM
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17. Bwah.........you missed a few more losers...........
Charles Evan Hughes 1916 he wangled a Supreme Court slot.
Thomas E. Dewey 1944 & 1948 they named the thruway after him.

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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:06 PM
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5. Pretty embarassing for The Ghoul
Hopefully, the GOP doesn't take notice. Mittsy, Hucky or McCain are better choices for them.
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Ytzak Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:18 PM
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10. New York is one of the Safer Democratic States...
Seeing Democrats blow Republican's out of the water there isn't surprising.

Having New Yorks electoral votes in the virtual bag feels good, but it means nothing. Democrats carried New York in every election since 1988. (Reagan took New York in 1980 and 1984) Out of the last five elections that we won New York, we won only 2 of the National Elections.

So this poll doesn't really mean much in the 50 state picture.
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Sancho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:18 PM
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11. wonderful
:kick:
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Lone_Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:22 PM
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12. It only polled 516 people.
The polls sponsors are from Rochester, Albany, and NYC... which are all Democratic leaning areas in the state.

I'm from upstate NY. There is a lot of anti-Hillary sentiment around here.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:34 PM
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15. They Polled The Whole State
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:35 PM
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16. Upstate voted for her in 2000 and 2004. nt
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:42 PM
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18. I Don't Think HRC Beating The Ghoul In NY Is Such A Revelation We Need To Question The Polls
She's the incumbent senator with a high approval rating...
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Lone_Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:56 PM
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19. Spitzer won by a higher % in a concurrent campaign.
I'm telling you as an upstate NY'er that there is a huge amount of dissatisfaction with Hillary around here among us Dems.

This area has been in an economic slump for years. While campaigning through here, she promised to revive this area and to give us 100,000 good paying jobs. Needless to say, she did not deliver on this promise. Many people are also feeling betrayed because she promised not to run for President while she was representing NY in the Senate. We feel used.

I'm sorry but many people now see past her doublespeak and see her for the opportunist that she is.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:04 PM
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20. Delivering Jobs Is The Governor's Job
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 02:17 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
And I believe when she ran for re-election in 06 she made no pledge not to run for president...
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Lone_Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:54 PM
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25. That didn't stop her from promising us those jobs....
Actually it was 200,000 jobs...

...and while campaigning in 2006, she said she had not yet decided whether to run for President in 2008, and to please keep that in mind when voting.

Then we learn that she transferred $10 million of her Senate funds towards her now-official presidential campaign during this time.

She talks out of both sides of her mouth.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:10 PM
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21. She was basically uncontested in 2006. Her approval ratings are strong in NYS. nt
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:29 PM
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23. 67% is nothing to sneeze at.
And right now, NY wants to run Spitzer out on a rail.

"Many people are also feeling betrayed because she promised not to run for President while she was representing NY in the Senate."

She promised no such thing.

But its obvious that you will believe only what you want.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:27 PM
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14. theres only 2 Dem Candidates running?
:shrug:
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:18 PM
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22. I highly doubt any Dem would lose NY
Just as I highly doubt Romney would get 35% nationally, as some polls have indicated, or Hillary would be competitive in Oklahoma, as SUSA indicated.

Polling this far out has a lot do do with name recognition. Hillary and Dame Rudy probably have 100% recognition in NY, but I doubt Obama is anywhere near that. Polling candidates like Huckabee or Richardson would be even more useless.

Presidential candidates get around a 10% boost from their homestate, but NY has a partisan voting index of about +20 Dem for the last few elections,if I remember correctly.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:38 PM
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24. No surprise here
Hillary is far enough to the right of center that she can snatch up a few votes that most Dems would lose.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:02 PM
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26. Yes And No, With A Caveat
Her Senate voting record puts her well within the main stream of current Democratic thought...Her rhetoric is centrist...
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