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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:36 AM
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Roland Martin: Clinton camp has problems doing their math
WASHINGTON (CNN) I just finished watching the Monday night piece on Sen. Barack Obama that aired on ABCs Nightline. During the broadcast, anchor Terry Moran read a comment from the Clinton campaign that said if the junior senator from Illinois was elected president, he would have less experience than any president in the 20th century.

Here is what Deputy Communications Director Phil Singer wrote Tuesday after an Obama foreign policy speech:

"With the critical foreign policy challenges America faces in the world today, voters will decide whether Senator Obama, who served in the Illinois State Senate just three years ago and would have less experience than any President since World War II, has the strength and experience to be the next president. Sen. Clinton, who has traveled to 82 countries as a representative of the United States and serves on the Armed Services Committee, is ready to lead starting on Day One."

Really?

George W. Bush only held elected office for six years before becoming president. He was elected governor of Texas in 1994 and won the presidency OK, liberal bloggers, the Supreme Court ruled in his favor in 2000.

Obama is in his 11th year as an elected officeholder eight years in the Illinois state senate, followed by three as a U.S. senator. Clinton is in her seventh year of elected office.


So the question has to be asked: Is the Clinton campaign struggling with their math, or hoping we all can't add?

If the Clinton camp is saying state experience doesn't matter, does that apply to Bush, who never served at the federal level prior to coming to the White House; President Jimmy Carter, who was governor of Georgia before residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue; and even her husband, Bill Clinton, who was governor and attorney general of Arkansas before being elected in 1992?

I sent Singer an email asking for a clarification. I'll let you know if he gets back to me.


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/28/comment... /
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:37 AM
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1. 8 years of executive experience trumps all.
Clinton trumps all.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:06 AM
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10. Bill can't run again...
Thank God. So what's your point?
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:21 AM
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16. Who's Bill? I was talking about Hillary. n/t.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:01 PM
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33. What executive experience does she have?
Executing the Office of the CLENIS' wife?
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:23 PM
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38. That's "Mrs. Executive experience" to you , bub.
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 02:25 PM by Capn Sunshine
don't infringe on the Clinton memes nothing but trouble lies that way
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The Ghost Donating Member (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 12:08 PM
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22. ?!?!?!
8 years of executive experience? Are you for real? First Lady is not President.

LAURA BUSH 2008

Siiigh.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 12:18 PM
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23. If you're actually comparing what Laura Bush has done as first lady with what Hillary did
Then you are quite possibly the least informed and least intelligent poster on DU.
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The Ghost Donating Member (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 12:31 PM
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24. Hey Thanks
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 12:37 PM by The Ghost
You know me really well!

The fact of the matter is, Hillary Clinton does NOT have 8 years of executive experience. Not even a month. If you think being First Lady means she does, then YOU are biggest fool here. And if you think voting for Hillary is a good idea just cause Bill was the president (which hes trying to do today by saying HE was against the war, as if somehow that equates that SHE was against it), then you are an even bigger fool.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:11 PM
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42. She was on WalMart's board, tho
Does that count?
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:20 PM
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37. Too bad for you that wasn't Hillary's presidency...
Otherwise you might have a point.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 05:43 PM
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48. Bill's not running. nt
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:42 AM
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2. NObama
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:43 AM
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3. well.. your post makes it sound as it Obama would have the SECOND least experience...
... than any president in the 20th century.

But, I'd put Jr. and Obama neck and neck.

A governorship trumps legislative experience every time, though Bush wasn't the best in his job. Further, the IL state legislature, last I checked, was a part-time job.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:48 AM
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4. Oh wyld
Now you are equating Bush to Obama? C'mon, relax! Everything is alright. Don't pay attention to Obama... focus on Hill... he has no chance and is way behind in the polls... there is no threat... why waste your time attacking him if he doesn't represent any danger to your candidate?

Just relax... :)
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:50 AM
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5. hmmm... no, your OP equated Bush to Obama.
Remember?

And...

IL State Legislature - part time job.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:57 AM
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6. wyld, relax.
Obama is too far behind, he's not worth your time. :)
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:06 AM
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9. katz, chill. It's ok to support Obama. But I worry you've vacated the reality-based community
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:58 AM
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7. Well... I guess its a good thing for Obama then
that he has three of Bill Clintons foreign policy advisers by his side.


(snip)
For months, Obama has portrayed himself as more willing than Clinton to veer sharply from Bush administration policies on many fronts. Foreign affairs may pose his biggest challenge, however, as the New York senator and former first lady has called him naive and irresponsible.

Obama has fired back, saying Clinton is too secretive and too wedded to existing or familiar ways of handling domestic and diplomatic matters. In this seaport town Tuesday, he was embraced by several foreign policy advisers, including three appointees from President Bill Clinton's administration: former national security adviser Tony Lake, former Navy secretary Richard Danzig and former Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Susan Rice.

"I cannot understand why he is attacked for a lack of experience," Lake told an audience of 150 before Obama arrived after touring a nearby Naval facility. Obama is older than Bill Clinton was when inaugurated, Lake said, and probably has more foreign policy experience than Presidents Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Clinton and George W. Bush had when they took office.

(snip)

link: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OBAMA_FOREIGN_PO...
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:03 AM
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8. Does experience being a wife count?
The only office Hillary was elected to is the Senate -- and from New York State, which is pretty liberal compared to a lot of other states. Who is Hillary to talk? She does not have that much experience of her own. And can you name one entity or person that Hillary has really stood up to all by herself? All alone?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:07 AM
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11. According to Obama it does
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:07 AM
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12. Putting up with Bill's shenanigans should count for something...
Whether they make Hillary more "qualified" to be POTUS is another matter entirely.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:36 AM
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19. Maybe it counts with
her supporters but it doesn't count with me. hillary's enabling bushite policy to make her a more m$$$$m contenda is what hill is all about.

Now bill's in the news lying his head off about whether he supported going into Iraq or not.. or is he in his dotage already?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:50 PM
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50. I think it shows she can still handle her usual chores while in crisis..
After all they were Impeaching him for a minor indiscretion that had nothing to do with government affairs.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:08 AM
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13. I ask that often and only get crickets!
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:13 AM
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15. when and where? Sitting in your car?
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:31 AM
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17. I'm still waiting for a Hillary supporter to tell us why she is the best choice.
Other than her sex and her marriage.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:34 AM
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18. Odds are good you will be waiting for a very long time.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:37 AM
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20. They tell you all the time. You just don't agree. Funny how that works.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:48 AM
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21. DUer Perry Logan put together a little list.I'm sure he won't mind if I post it for you
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 11:54 AM by durrrty libby
Senator Clinton supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Trust for Historic Preservation 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Education Association 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Children's Defense Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 91 percent in 2006.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 100 percent in 2005

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence 100 percent from 1988-2003 (Senate) or 1991-2003 (House).

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Public Health Association 80 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 84 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Worker 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 88 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of Government Employees 83 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Committee for an Effective Congress 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 100 percent in 2005.

According to the National Journal - Composite Liberal Score's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on economic, defense and foreign policy issues than 80 percent of the Senators.

According to the National Journal - Liberal on Social Policy's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on social policy issues than 83 percent of the Senators.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Alliance for Retired Americans 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 92 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Bread for the World 100 percent in 2003-2004.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Partnership for the Homeless 100 percent in 2003-2004.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can ...

She was promoting universal coverage before it was cool. Furthermore she helped to create the SCHIP program. And most importantly she was dead on in the debate the other week where she said political will was the most important thing needed to push health care reform through and we know without a doubt she has that.

She has fougt unrelentingly for a woman's right to choose as well as women's rights both domestically and abroad

Create a Strategic Energy Fund - Hillary has proposed a Strategic Energy Fund that would inject $50 billion into research, development and deployment of renewable energy, energy efficiency, clean coal technology, ethanol and other homegrown biofuels. Hillary's proposal would give oil companies a choice: invest in renewable energy or pay into the fund. Hillary's proposal would also eliminate oil company tax breaks and make sure that oil companies pay their fair share for drilling on public lands. Instead of sending billions of dollars to the Middle East for their oil, Hillary's proposal will create a new clean energy industry in America and create tens of thousands of jobs here.

Champion a Market-Based "Cap and Trade" Approach - Hillary supports a market-based, cap and trade approach to reducing carbon emissions and fight global warming. This approach was used successfully to limit sulfur dioxide and reduce levels of acid rain in the 1990s. By capping the amount of emissions in the environment and allowing corporations to buy and sell permits, this approach offers corporations a flexible, cost-efficient method to do their share to reduce emissions and combat global warming. The program will reduce emissions, drive the development of clean technologies, and create a market for projects that store carbon dioxide.

20% Renewable Electricity Standard by 2020 - Hillary believes we need to shift our reliance on high carbon electricity sources to low-carbon electricity sources by investing in renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind. As President, she'll work to require power companies to obtain 20 percent of their energy from renewable sources by 2020.

Make Federal Buildings Carbon Neutral - Hillary believes that the federal government should lead the way in reducing carbon emissions from buildings. Buildings account for 40 percent of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, and the federal government owns or leases more than 500,000. Hillary would require all federal buildings to steadily increase the use of green design principles, energy efficient technologies, and to generate energy on-site from solar and other renewable sources. By 2030, all new federal buildings and major renovations would be carbon neutral, helping to fight global warming and cutting the $5.6 billion that the federal government spends each year on heating, cooling and lighting.

Protecting Against Exposure to Toxic Chemicals - Hillary wants to make the products we use safer, especially for children. There are tens of thousands of chemicals used in the U.S. and hundreds of new chemicals introduced each year, but little health testing is conducted for many of them. Hillary would require chemical companies to prove that new chemicals are safe before they are put on the market, and would set more stringent exposure standards for kids. She would also create a "priority list" of existing chemicals and require testing to make sure they are safe. To improve our understanding of the links between chemicals and diseases like cancer, Hillary would create an "environmental health tracking network" that ties together information about pollution and chronic diseases.

Hillary's Record

In the White House, Hillary led efforts to make adoption easier, to expand early learning and child care, to increase funding for breast cancer research, and to help veterans suffering from Gulf War syndrome who had too often been ignored in the past. She helped launch a national campaign to prevent teen pregnancy and helped create the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997, which moved children from foster care to adoption more quickly and the number of children who have moved out of foster care into adoption has increased dramatically.

She was instrumental in designing and championing the State Children's Health Insurance Program, which has provided millions of children with health insurance. She battled the big drug companies to force them to test their drugs for children and to make sure all kids get the immunizations they need through the Vaccines for Children Program. Immunization rates dramatically improved after the program launched.

Hillary has been a leading member of the Environment and Public Works Committee since she was elected to the Senate. Today, she chairs the Superfund and Environmental Health Subcommittee and in that capacity has promoted legislation to evaluate and protect against the impact of environmental pollutants on people's health and clean up toxic waste.

Global warming and Clean Air
Spoken out forcefully about the need to tackle global warming in hearings, speeches, rallies and on the Senate floor and co-sponsored "cap and trade" legislation.
Worked to reduce air pollution that causes asthma and other respiratory diseases by writing and helping to pass new laws to clean up exhaust from school buses, and other diesel-powered equipment.
Supported legislation to reduce pollution from power plants, including harmful emissions of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, mercury, and carbon dioxide - emissions that contribute to poor air quality, smog, acid rain, global warming, and mercury contamination of fish.
Aggressively fought the Bush Administration's ill-advised attempts to weaken clean air laws.

Improving Water Quality and Protecting Drinking Water
Helped to overturn the Bush Administration's attempt to allow more arsenic in drinking water.
Cosponsored legislation to protect lakes, rivers and coastal waters by fighting the spread of destructive invasive species, such as the zebra mussel.
Helped ot pass new clean water laws, including measures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

Protecting Public Lands
Fought oil company efforts to pen the Artic Wildlife Refuge in Alask and Pacific and Atlantic coastal waters to drilling.
Cosponsored the Roadless Area Conservation Act, which prohibits road construction and logging in unspoiled, roadless areas of the National Forest System, and voted for additional funding and manpower to combat forest fires in the west.

Reducing Dangerous Chemicals and Cleaning Up Hazardous Waste
Supported legislation to restore the "polluter pays" principle by reinstating a chemical company fee to fund cleanups of highly contaminated "Superfund" waste sites.
Cosponsored the "kids-Safe Chemical Act," which requires chemical companies to provide health and safety before putting new chemicals in consumer products.
Proposed legislation to create an environmental health tracking network to enable us to better understand the impact of environmental hazards on human health and well-being.

Tackling the Toxic Legacy of 9/11
Pushed for health care benefits for first responders, residents and others whose health has been impacted from breathing the toxic dust and smoke in New York City after 9/11.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/8/20/134810/677

Hillary Clinton co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977. In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter (for whom she had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation, and she served in that capacity from 1978 through the end of 1981. For much of that time she served as the chair of that board, the first woman to do so. During her time as chair, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million, and she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan's initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.

Following the November 1978 election of her husband as Governor of Arkansas, Clinton became First Lady of Arkansas in January 1979, her title for a total of twelve years. Bill appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year, where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

Hillary Clinton chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992, where she sought to bring about reform in the state's court-sanctioned public education system. One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place. She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.

And a bit of stuff from the White House years:

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage. She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare. She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.

The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome. Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice. In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage.<124> She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare.<125> She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.<43> The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome.<43> Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice.<43> In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.<43> As First Lady, Clinton hosted numerous White House Conferences, including ones on Child Care (1997),<126> Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997),<127> and Children and Adolescents (2000),<128> and the first-ever White House Conferences on Teenagers (2000)<129> and Philanthropy (1999).<130>

Hillary Clinton traveled to over eighty countries during this time,<131> breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon.<132> In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself.<133> She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.<134><135> She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

"...Hillary Clinton traveled to over eighty countries during this time,<131> breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon.<132> In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself.<133> She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.<134><135> She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries..."

More:
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/israe ...
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/darfu ...


The following are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%
easures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.
Perry Logan


And thanks to another Duer, here is an article about her effectiveness as a senator

Enjoy http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0518,lombardi,63597,5....
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 12:35 PM
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25. Thanks for posting. n/t.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:47 PM
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30. Thanks.
The other candidates will agree with her on most of these initiatives. What makes her different? What will Hillary do for America that Obama or Biden or Edwards will not do? What is Hillary's stand on eavesdropping? How about other forms of surveillance? What is Hillary's stance on outsourcing? on jobs for America? on restoring habeas corpus? on privatization especially of the military and civil defense? What would she change in the Patriot Act? Will she revise the Bankruptcy Act? These are issues on which Edwards is strong. Where does Hillary stand on these issues?
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 05:03 PM
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47. Read the post
It's more than just proposals. There's a list of ratings from organizations based on her record. It's her record that makes her different from the others. None have a record quite like hers.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:17 PM
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43. that is a very long post
about the longest I ever saw
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:55 PM
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51. Geeze, Libby, that is soooo beautiful...I'll have to archive it!
for another rainy day..when the partisans say, "But What has SHE (Hillary) done"
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 12:58 PM
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26. It's been posted a zillion times. Obviously you have selective reading skills.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:38 PM
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27. Some just enjoy the sound of their own BS. He will never come back
and say "Thanks" They never do
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:43 PM
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45. Well, I am still waiting.
Putting up a list of votes does not explain why she is the best choice, but nice try.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:51 PM
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46. There is much more than that . Nice try though
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:40 PM
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28. I have asked people who say they like Hillary over and over to
tell me why and I do not get any rational answers.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:42 PM
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29. "I do not get any rational answers." Show us some of those times you've asked.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:48 PM
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31. Many times. In fact I asked someone this morning.
The post on this thread today is the first time I have gotten even an attempt at a response. I appreciate the answer today.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:00 PM
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32. you said you've asked "over and over." Surely you can give a few links so we can see?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:10 PM
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35. My problem is that I don't know how to find my past posts beyond My DU.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:12 PM
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36. go to "search." Choose "advanced search," enter user username and keywords...
...choose which forum you posted them in, then select a time period.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:51 PM
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40. or click your heels and "nod your head" 3 times
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:10 AM
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14. and don't forget..."she nods her head" therefore incompetent
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:03 PM
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34. That did it for me.
Damned head nodder lost my vote. :silly:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:39 PM
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39. Thanks for the post, Katz.
Cheers.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:08 PM
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41. Why should I care what Roland Martin thinks?
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weeve Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:33 PM
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44. Hmmmmmmm...
With NAFTA, the ill-informed Health Care fiasco ( which directly/indirectly helped lead to 12 years of Republican Congressional majorities ), gutting Welfare, and Bill's White House sexual shenanigans ( which directly/indirectly helped lead to Bush's "win" )... I think those 8 years of TeamClinton "experience" are nothing to brag about.

Hey, I'd prefer my local librarian to those credentials.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:27 PM
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49. 2000 is the 21st century
So Bush doesn't count. (I don't know if it is otherwise true)
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:21 PM
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52. I hope this becomes a familiar refrain in the MSM
Hillary's "experience" meme is a laughable fraud and I'm glad someone is calling her on it in the MSM at last.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:37 PM
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53. Roland Martin, the guy that has the Bass fishing show? n/t
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