Obama on Hillary's time as first lady....

[SaveElmer]

Then

August 22, 2007 The Daily Show...

"She's very smart ... people rightly give her credit for having been a participant in the Clinton administration and for doing some heavy lifting on issues." Barack Obama, speaking of Hillary Clinton's White House experience and contradicting Obama supporters

And Now...

"There is no doubt that Bill Clinton had faith in her and consulted with her on issues, in the same way that I would consult with Michelle, if there were issues," Obama said. "On the other had, I don't think Michelle would claim that she is the best qualified person to be a United States Senator by virtue of me talking to her on occasion about the work I've done."

AS the great Al Franken would say...

Flippity-Floppity...

[Renew Deal]

1. The one doesn't contradict the other.

Nice try though. :thumbsup:

[SaveElmer]

2. Only to Obama supporters...

Nice try though...

[Renew Deal]

3. I'm not an Obama supporter

He says that she deserves credit for her accomplishments, but that doesn't make her president. What am I missing here.

[cuke]

8. "people rightly give her credit for having been a participant in the Clinton administration "

Since Michelle has never earned or deserved any credit for being a participant in her husband's administration, why is Obama comparing Hillary to Michelle?

[Renew Deal]

10. That misses the point

He could have mentioned anyone. I could mention my wife. I consult her on some things going on at my job. That doesn't mean that she deserves credit for my accomplishments.

[cuke]

13. people rightly give her credit for having been a participant in the Clinton administration"

Obama thinks Hillary deserves credit for the work she did as a participant in the Clinton administration.

"That doesn't mean that she deserves credit for my accomplishments."

Obama says Hillary deserves credit. You say Hillary does not deserve credit. One of you two is wrong. Is Obama wrong or are you wrong?

[Renew Deal]

14. You're parsing.

She deserves credit for her participation just as my wife deserves credit for giving me (what I feel is) good advice. Hillary doesn't deserve credit for Bill's accomplishments as my wife doesn't deserve credit for mine.

[cuke]

16. Hillary deserves credit for her accomplishments

and she has never taken credit for anything Bill Clinton did. Obama is being dishonest if he is implying that Hillary is taking credit for something Bill did

[ilovesunshine]

17. Many around here feel her only accomplishment as First Lady was

handing our canapes.

[cuke]

20. As First Lady, Hillary convinced Bill to support SCHIP which insures millions of poor children

but I guess you just don't care about the health of poor children

As First Lady, Hillary's work as a champion for women was recognized and admired around the world. She traveled the globe speaking out against the degradation and abuse of women and standing up for the powerful idea that women's rights are human rights. But I guess you just don't care about women's rights

In the White House, Hillary led efforts to make adoption easier, to expand early learning and child care, to increase funding for breast cancer research, and to help veterans suffering from Gulf War syndrome who had too often been ignored in the past. She helped launch a national campaign to prevent teen pregnancy and helped create the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997, which moved children from foster care to adoption more quickly. Thanks in part to her efforts, the number of children who have moved out of foster care into adoption has increased dramatically. But I guess you don't care about foster children

As everyone knows, Hillary's fight for universal health coverage did not succeed. But her commitment to health care for every American has never wavered. She was instrumental in designing and championing the State Children's Health Insurance Program, which has provided millions of children with health insurance. She battled the big drug companies to force them to test their drugs for children and to make sure all kids get the immunizations they need through the Vaccines for Children Program. Immunization rates dramatically improved after the program launched.

Hillary's 1995 book It Takes A Village, about the responsibility we all have to help children succeed, became an international best seller. Hillary has donated the proceeds -- more than a million dollars -- to children's causes across the country.

But no, all she did was serve canapes

[gorekerrydreamticket]

39. Bill Clinton was against health care for children?

I didn't know that...

[cuke]

50. Bill Clinton didnt think he could get SCHIP passed

Hillary convinced him otherwise

[Renew Deal]

18. This explains the fundamental issue:

Mr. Obama wore a look of bemusement, wondering how Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton could take credit for having experience on health care, but not bear the brunt of the blame? It was clear, though, that he wasn’t eager to talk much about it.

When asked to expound on his thoughts, he said: “You got the quote.”

“If you are saying that part of your basis for experience is the work you did on health care,” he said, “then presumably when it didn’t work, that’s part of the experience as well.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/08/president-clintons-not-on-the-ballot/

[cuke]

21. This quote from Hillary's website shows Obama is lying again

when he implies Hillary doesn't acknowledge here failure

"As everyone knows, Hillary's fight for universal health coverage did not succeed. "

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/about/firstlady/

And she spoke about it during one of the debates and said she did make mistakes and if she as president she will go about it differently this time

Obama is being dishonest, on many levels

[Renew Deal]

38. I don't see what you're saying.

I don't see how any or all of those three Obama comments make him dishonest. I just don't see it.

[cuke]

51. It's dishonest to compare Hillary's experience as FL to Michelle's experience

Hillary did a lot of "heavy lifting" as a "participant" in her husband's admin. Michelle did not. Yet he compares them in a way that implies their experience is equal when his earler remarks make clear that he knows their experiences are not equal.

And this is not to say that Ms Obama is not an accomplished and experienced person. However, she never played the sort of role in her husband's administration that Hillary played in hers.

[Stop Cornyn]

30. I'm a Kucinich/Edwards supporter and it's not inconsistent to me. Just because Hillary's tanking in

the polls, you need not lash out senselessly at other Democrats.

[cuke]

52. So what?

That doesn't make you an expert on all thing Clinton/Obama

[zulchzulu]

4. Actually both quotes work well together

She "did some heavy lifting", but that doesn't mean that by consulting with Bill that it makes her have "experience". It's not a flip-flop. It's an obvious conclusion.

[SaveElmer]

6. Only by the twisted logic of the Obamatons...nt

[Renew Deal]

7. Contructive

:yourock:

[Kahuna]

26. 'Suse me. We're Obambians!

Got it?

[Stop Cornyn]

31. I thought you were Obamaniacs, no?

[Kahuna]

35. THAT TOO!!!

:bounce: :crazy: :silly:

[durrrty libby]

5. He's turning into a desperate preacher man. That never goes well

Edit to add..Tucker was discussing preacher Obama

I guess Obama has stated that God walks with his campaign.:eyes:

[Lucinda]

32. Wow. Did they have a quote?

[durrrty libby]

33. Yes the crawl read Obama states " God walks with my campaign"

Then some evangelist was telling Tucker that he his sick of politicians

doing this type of thing.

I found the video and put it in its own thread


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553/

[Cameron27]

43. Whoa,

"God walks with my campaign"

[Lucinda]

9. Yep. I noticed Obamas change in tone on the thread earlier today.

Thanks for doing the legwork. :thumbsup:

[wyldwolf]

11. It's an Obamanation!

[bunnies]

12. Hillaryous.

tee hee.

[Skip Intro]

15. Talking out of both sides of his mouth. He does that a lot.

Not that the blindly faithful would take notice.

[Bitwit1234]

19. SO WHAT IN THE SAM HILL GAVE HIM THE EXPERIENCE AND THE

TRAINING TO BE A SENATOR OF THE UNITED STATES. Are there two different standards for a woman or a man...damn little old sexist raises it's ugly head there doesn't it.....boo hiss boo boo hiss.

[Skip Intro]

22. He gets experience points for being a Senator, but he's also an "outsider"

becasue he hasn't been a Senator that long.

Obamalogic!

[Beacool]

23. Obama is starting to tick me off!!

I guess Hillary's experience was good enough for Obama when she campaigned for him when he ran for the senate and I guess that he didn't care about her "inexperience" when she mentored him when he arrived at the senate.

What is HIS great experience? And please don't start with his service in the state legislature, that's the minor leagues. What is the extent of his national experience, less than 3 years in the US senate?

I'll take her so called lack of experience against his cocky arrogance any day of the week.

[Kahuna]

25. Soooooo.. you don't plan to vote for him???

:shrug:

[Beacool]

34. Sure, I'll vote for him.

I'll vote for ANY Democrat over a Republican. I'll curse at the arrogant upstart all the way to the polls, but I'll vote for him. BTW, I do think that he's bright and capable. I just don't think that this is his time, I would gladly vote for him in a few years when has some gravitas.

Even though I think that there's no way in hell that he'll win in the general election. This country is still supremely racist and a 1/2 black son of a muslim with a "funny" name is probably not electable in 2008, no matter what the polls may say. I remember one of my Political Science professors once stating that Americans won't vote for a candidate with a peculiar name, Eisenhower being the exception because he was a war hero. So far, he's been proven correct. In the last 47 years we've had a Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and another Bush. All simple anglo-saxon names. We'll see if his theory fails this time around......

[Kahuna]

24. I don't get the flippity? Me thinks some of youse guys need to

find a hobby if this is the best you've got against Obama.
:shrug:

[SaveElmer]

29. Those that don't want to see it will not acknowledge it...

I imagine most objective observers would see a difference between

1. Heavy lifting

and

2. Consult occasionally...

[calteacherguy]

27. What contradiction? nt

[Kahuna]

28. LOL! There is none. Obama is in really good shape if this is the

best they come up with. :rofl:

[durrrty libby]

36. If you can't see it, then it's time to sign up for a remedial course

[Renew Deal]

37. Why do you even bother posting at DU?

You repeatedly attack people over whatever dumb thing comes to mind. You rarely post anything constructive or substantive. Don't you have anything original and/or thoughtful to say?

[durrrty libby]

40. ....

Edit to add. You are invited to use your ignore function

Me? I love the scroll wheel

[Renew Deal]

42. Which posts specifically?

I asked you first.

Edited to add: This is the least combative thing I have seen you post.

[JeffR]

44. If I'm guessing correctly about the "Ignored" you're talking to

the quick answer is: nothing original and/or thoughtful to say. Which is why this person became "Ignored".

[Renew Deal]

45. I suppose so.

There are some people that just chuck bombs. There's a few of them. I haven't seen one of them recently (name resembles nitwit123). I don't understand the point of coming to DU just to yell at people.

[durrrty libby]

46. Wow calling out a DUer is against the rules

"name resembles nitwit123" tsk..tsk


It is always amusing when the pot IS the kettle

[Renew Deal]

47. Go ahead and alert

I got it off my chest and you saw it, so I'm satisfied.

[durrrty libby]

49. "I got it off my chest and you saw it, so I'm satisfied."

I saw that you belittled another poster, and somehow that satisfies you.

Okie dokie...

[JeffR]

48. They think that by browbeating people & spewing nonsense

They'll win over undecideds to their candidate. Probably something from Dick Morris' back pages.

[CyberPieHole]

41. Doesn't seem that odd to me...

Obama failed to vote on Kyl-Lieberman yet feels he has the moral authority to criticize Clinton for voting. Obama is too inexperienced to be president. And I am not sure if gaining any further experience will qualify him for the job either.

[Nedsdag]

53. Apparently Hillary doesn't have the moral authority either

since she voted for the bill.

As for the whole "inexperienced" meme, I cannot believe you think she has more experience than Biden, Richardson, Kucinich and Dodd. It's sad that many Hillary supporters use the "experience" code to shut down any debate.