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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:30 AM
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I may not be supporting him, but I truly believe Obama has the best chance in the GE.
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 12:50 AM by Kerry2008
For multiple reasons. First of all, he connects with audiences. Not just in big cities, but small towns. People like what they see, and like even better what they hear. His rhetoric of hope and change really excites Americans, and gets them fired up.

Not only that, but he's only been in the Senate since 2005. While some may see that a weakness, I see that as a strength. After all he gets the label of being a Senator, but doesn't have a gigantic voting record for the RW to pick and choose from to attack him with. Senator Edwards doesn't either, but Obama from what I've seen hasn't seen many attacks on his consistency like Edwards has.

Also, he was right on the Iraq war. He won't have to explain why he changed positions like some candidates would. He can show America he has the judgment to lead by the fact he's been opposed to his tragic war from the beginning. With the large majority of Americans opposed to this war, that can only be a strength.

He's very JFK-like in his appearance, looks very Presidential, connects with audiences, has a good message of hope and change, doesn't have a huge Senate record the other side can attack, and has consistently been anti-war and can rally Americans behind him with an anti-war message of ending the war from someone who hasn't changed positions at all on the war.

All in all, Barack Obama is looking like a winner. While I think Edwards and Hillary both have great chances, and both can and will win if nominated...I think Senator Obama has the best chance in the GE and would win by a landslide. Don't believe me? Look at the support he has with independents and moderate Republicans as well!

I may not support him, but I'll be honest...I'm impressed by him.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:38 AM
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1. I'm not a fan of Richardson, but I think he'd win handily, too. I think Edwards, Obama or Richardson
would win comfortably.

I think Hillary would win a squeaker.

More importantly that the margin of victory, I think Edwards, Obama or Richardson would lift the ticket down ballot in a way that we'd pick up a few extra close house and senate races with any of them at the top of the ticket, as well as countless statewide and local races. I think we lose some some significant number of down ballot races with Hillary at the top of our ticket.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:40 AM
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2. I agree about Hillary winning a squeaker, and what you said about the other three winning.
Richardson would be tough to beat, as would Edwards. Obama has the best chance, IMO though.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:46 AM
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3. I think the B'Iraq Hussein Osama/ scary muslim nonsense is going to be trouble
There are millions of people who decide their vote on very silly things.

That said, ALL the candidates have things that will work for them and things that will work against him.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:49 AM
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4. Well I never said they won't come out swinging, they will.
They always have. But I still think he'd win by a landslide if he puts as much fight into it as I think he will. He really connects with people. A lot of independents and moderate Republicans too.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:50 AM
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6. and people who think like that wont vote for most Democrats anyways
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:53 AM
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8. I totally disagree
Have you noticed how many blue states have passed gay marriage bans? Kerry won MI, and at the same time we passed a gay marriage amendment by a wide margin. It wouldn't have happened without some Dems voting for it.

There are plenty of underinformed and bigoted Democratic and independent voters out there.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:55 AM
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9. but those people probably also support civil unions
and hate crimes laws which cover crimes against people for being gay.

and this further shows that while they may have some biases they could still vote for a candidate.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:03 AM
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11. "Some biases" being the key phrase there
I know a person who didn't vote for Kerry because he didn't like his wife. That was his #1 reason. I know a gay guy who voted for Bush because "my dad has a lot of money that I am going to inherit someday." Wha?

If you don't know about it, go wikipedia the "Wilder effect."

I am not trying to piss on the parade. I like him. I just think the "scary muslim" shit is going to cost him a few %. I also think that the youth that he seems to connect with has proven to be a very unreliable source of votes.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:07 AM
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12. there are always cases like that, it's never 100 percent
of course there are bigots. but an indian guy just recently won in Louisiana . and Harold Ford came very close to winning Tennessee.

the crazy Muslim shit may lose him some, but he will also gain among many young voters , minorities and others.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 08:01 AM
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21. For those who wonder why he has spent so much time wih the churchies, there's part of your answer
Beyond believing there's votes in them thar pews, and that the economic and social justice aspects of faith have been ignored by too many politicians on our side, Obama will be able to line up support from plenty of white Christian ministers when the time comes in the GE. Photo ops, commercials, you name it, he'll be able to pull out the stops if your scenario is true (and it's not far-fetched) because he has stuck his neck out to cultivate support in the Christian/faith communities on both sides of the ideological aisle.

It won't be easy, but, at the end of the day, his religious beliefs will prove to be yet another strength.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 08:12 AM
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22. And all those who wouldn't vote for Obama because of that...
..Are the same ones who hate the Clintons, period, and would come out in droves to vote against her.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 03:21 PM
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32. Name me any candidate and I could tell you the sub-90 IQ spin to hate that person
People that would fall for that juvenile stuff about Obama along with the lies about him being a Muslim are probably too stupid to vote anyway.

As for any of the candidates, stupid accusations and lies would be thrown at them to see what sticks. People who see past that garbage vastly outnumber the numbnuts that believe the lies.

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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:49 AM
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5. Obama is great.
I support Edwards 100% but I won't be devastated if Obama wins it. I'll be sad but I can see me getting involved with an Obama general election campaign.

If it isn't Edwards, let it be Obama. But please let it be Edwards!

Do you mind if I post a picture? Yes, I am the lucky girl with MY arm around him!

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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:51 AM
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7. Oh, I agree. Edwards all the way, but I'm impress by Barack.
IMO Edwards/Obama would be a hard ticket to beat.

And you look great standing next to the future Vice President/President!!

Vice President Obama and President Edwards sounds nice to me :)
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:44 PM
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28. I feel the same. In fact, I would love an Edwards/Obama ticket
THAT would be unbeatable!
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:57 AM
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10. thanks Kerry08. He also has a wicked and sharp wit.
I remember how he cut Howard in Australia down to size with one sentence.
And did so with Romney on the 4th when he ran into him. Like when he made that crack about clinton not being sec. of treasury this week when she tried to attack him.
What democrats don't realize is that you don't have to shout and be at war. You need to be able to neatly skewer the opponet and walk away with the win. Being clever and sharp.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:14 AM
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13. Too bad he can't give a direct answer to a few simple questions.
a little old lady asked him in Iowa.

1. How are you going to protect the US from an another attack, and be specific?

2. How are you going to protect the borders from illegal immigration?

3. How are you going to deport illegal aliens? (Lady used the words, "get rid of")
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:27 AM
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15. Give it a rest, will ya?
How many candidate threads are you going to spam/disrupt/hijack with your nonsense? Doesn't HillaryIs44 need some propaganda
editing to prep for tomorrow's Obama/Edwards attack threads?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:30 AM
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16. Ewww...hit with the Truth and you beg for mercy!
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:53 AM
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17. Yes, we all can't wait for tomorrow's Rasmussen poll
:eyes:
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 02:23 AM
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19. And the lady said she "he did a good job" afterwards.
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 02:30 AM by calteacherguy
The crowd cheered. He won many new supporters with that response, and even if you don't support him, you could at least acknowledge and recognize a Democrat who stands up for the truth as many supporters of other candidates on this board have done. Unfortunately, your blind partisanship blinds you.

The kind of behavior you are engaging in is, ironically, ultimately part of he reason Hillary Clinton will not be the Democratic nominee for President of the United States.

American's are sick and tired of your kind of politics...and Hillary Clinton's.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:27 AM
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14. Barack Obama is the leader that will restore the faith in America.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:17 PM
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23. We have faith. We need experience to restore America.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:29 PM
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24. Yawn.
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The Ghost Donating Member (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:31 PM
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25. Yes
Hillarys 'experience' that still meant she was either naive or politically motivated into voting for the Iraq authorization. Shes a sickening fool.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:52 PM
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30. Get used to these two words: "MADAM PRESIDENT"!
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 02:19 AM
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18. I think he has the vision and kind of change America is looking for at this point. nt
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 04:49 AM
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20. He's not cursed with the Hillary cackle.
I like her, and I'm not sure I can stand that laugh for four (or eight) years. Next fall, people will look really closely at the candidates, and Obama will stand up to that scrutiny. Edwards too. Hillary... not so sure.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:36 PM
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26. and, lets reduce this thread by introducing the sexist comment.
Personally, I think that Clinton needs to change her hair to win, and my gawd those suits...what is she thinking attending a debate with those suits and that laugh. And her high-pitched voice, why it sounds as if she has no balls at all. What are we thinking sending someone to the general election with a high voice, suits without ties, and that cackle!?

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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:39 PM
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27. I think
in the end, any of the top 4 candidates would win. I believe that because I firmly believe Mitt Romney will be the Republican nominee. I think Guliani is a paper tiger. Huckabee is the one guy who worries me.
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:46 PM
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29. Thank you for posting this
I heartily agree that Obama has the ability to appeal to a wider swath of voters than any of the other candidates. Given that he isn't your first choice, I appreciate and respect your candor. :hi:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 03:16 PM
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31. Nicely said!
K&R!
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 03:28 PM
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33. Obama has won me over too. I still support Biden 110%, but I have learned to really like and
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 03:30 PM by pirhana
respect Obama.

JOEBAMA!
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 12:06 AM
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34. Obama's definitely my second choice, and the best choice for the GE.
But I'm firmly behind Senator Edwards!!

And kudos on your support for Joe Biden. I don't see a lot of attention given to him, kudos on being of the posters who keeps us up on Biden campaign news!!
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 12:56 AM
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37. That's exactly where I'm at too. I thought Obama was little more than a Clinton Lite
a few months ago, and I started to lose faith that he would ever show us what was different about him.

I was wrong, and happily so. I still support Biden, but Obama is an ever-closer second.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 12:16 AM
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35. I have to say I like Obama, and here's the reason why:
It's a personal reason. My daughter, all of seventeen, and able to vote in the general, but not the primary, is supporting him. Anyone that can attract the attention of so many young people in the country, in a very positive way, deserves our attention. And our respect.

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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 12:20 AM
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36. I agree
Obama can gather the youths.

Cool picture!
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 01:52 AM
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38. I may not be the best person to ask on this...
..because I like Obama for a lot of the same reasons I like(d) Kerry - because they're both extremely intelligent men who THINK before they talk, or as they're talking (most of the time), and if their thoughts on an issue are complex, they're willing to spin out the multiple paragraphs it takes.

I realize this is anathema in modern politics. But I'm sorry, thoughtfulness, historical longview, and reasoning capacity are what I'm looking for in a President. We've seen where "gut feelings" and lowest-common-denominator sound bites get us. I want to get the fuck OUT of that place and never come back.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 07:38 AM
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39. The Republicans have no chance in the GE. They shouldn't waste time even putting anyone up.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 09:07 AM
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40. Obama decreased his electability dramatically when he came out
in favor of license's for illegals. When the New York governor gets a 70% negative on an issue, it's not just the Republicans voting. I think Obama lost it for himself in that one statement.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 01:21 PM
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41. Of course and the Pukes know it!!! That's why they are pushing HRC.....nt
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 01:28 PM
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42. Me too.
And I will forever be grateful that John Edwards kicked open this race two debates ago.
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