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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:15 PM
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Anyone know anyone ELSE who was at Yale...when "Hill/Bill" were there?
Edited on Fri Nov-23-07 08:22 PM by KoKo01
Let's hear from you...(there were people there and this is a Puff Piece by McClatchy...clever of Mark Penn and clever of the "PTB" to figure that those who were there at Yale in New Haven wouldn't speak up)...like the really poor..."scholarship students" ..Who KNEW WHAT THE DEAL WAS with YALE when Bill & HILL and so many of those "PTB" were young and charming and radical...like Lieberman and half the people in power these days...:rofl:...who aren't trying to get "HIll/Bill" re-elected.

BTW..."God Love'em" Yale took in alot of Scholarship Students back then...in that "window of time" but not ALL Students were EQUAL with their Scholarships....it depended. But, Yale did give everyone their voice...and for that...at that time...they should be commended...they were truly a University who tried to do some good stuff in the turmoil of the late 70's... They gave us Bill & HIll and Clarence Thomas...but many other notables like George Bush II...and so we should thank them for their effort.
They also gave us some lesser names who have been fighting for truth and the Constitution...but the BIG NAMES are the ones folks know.



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http://www.bnd.com/news/politics/story/184195.html

Clinton's years at Yale Law are key to her political development
BY MATT STEARNS
McClatchy Newspapers

NEW HAVEN, Conn. --
All that Hillary Rodham Clinton would become -- all that inspires her allies and her enemies alike -- emerged during her years roaming the Gothic buildings of Yale Law School.

She helped edit a journal that included cartoon police-pigs and that published a self-aggrandizing essay by a Black Panther who'd been convicted of murder. Yet she also helped calm a politically inflamed campus.

She nurtured an interest in using the law to aid the needy -- especially children -- that remains integral to her politics, but which opponents use to pummel her values.

She projected an intelligence that impressed many, but that could be cool and intimidating.

And she met fellow student Bill Clinton and developed the first stirrings of a unique partnership that's already made American history -- and that she hopes will make more.

On the campaign trail, Clinton highlights her childhood in middle-class Park Ridge, Ill. She never mentions her education at one of America's most prestigious law schools, which was at least as important in developing the worldview that animates her campaign, an experience in which time and place combined to influence the paths and policies she'd pursue.

"Much of what I believe, and much of what I have worked for ... is directly related to my time at the law school," Clinton told a Yale audience in 1992.

Yale was no typical elite law school stamping out high-dollar associates for white-shoe firms. Small, with a class of about 200 -- perhaps 25 of them women -- the school emphasized using the law for social change. It attracted students "interested in a public service career," said Douglas Eakeley, one of Bill Clinton's roommates.

Its lessons reverberate through Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign: In a recent speech, she declared that overhauling the American health-care system was "a moral question" because it's "unequal and unfair."

Gaining prominence

Hillary Rodham arrived at Yale in 1969 a minor celebrity, thanks to her commencement speech at equally elite Wellesley College outside Boston, where she rebuked a senator who was sitting nearby.

"You knew she was impressive, although you might not know why," classmate Paul Helmke said. "She held herself as someone that was going to be good at whatever she wanted to do. There was sort of an aura about her. Even then."

With that came a no-nonsense demeanor.

"You certainly wouldn't want to fall into her bad graces," Eakeley said. "I don't think she suffered fools gladly."

Rodham gained more prominence the second semester of her first year at Yale Law, when it seemed "the whole place was falling apart ... the most intense year in the history of Yale Law School," said Laura Kalman, who wrote "Yale Law School and the Sixties: Revolt and Reverberations."

Several Black Panthers were on trial for murder in New Haven. The campus, opened to New Left demonstrators associated with the trial, became a circus. Downtown business owners, fearing violence, boarded up their windows. A law library was set afire. The shooting deaths of four student demonstrators at Kent State University in Ohio by National Guardsmen further enraged campuses nationwide.

Rodham -- sympathetic to the angry left but insistent that its grievances could be resolved within the system -- moderated a tense campus meeting at which violence seemed to percolate under the surface, as students debated how to respond to Kent State and issues specific to Yale.

Quoting an unnamed student, Kalman wrote: "Hillary did what nowadays would be international summitry -- flying back and forth between sides," maintaining credibility with all, impressing faculty and fellow students, helping to keep New Haven peaceful.

Yale also introduced Rodham to children's issues, through work for the Children's Defense Fund and New Haven legal-aid lawyer Penn Rhodeen. Children would be a passion throughout Rodham's career: serving on the board of the Children's Defense Fund, writing "It Takes a Village" as first lady, working on children's health issues in Arkansas and Washington.

Rhodeen remembers Rodham as "a vision in purple. She had on this sheepskin coat ... driving a purple Gremlin, and she had long Gloria Steinem hair and Gloria Steinem glasses"; a typical early '70s look, "only more so." They worked on a child custody case that sparked a deep interest in children's rights.

"She had a connection with this issue which was kind of astonishing to me," Rhodeen said. "Remember, she was just out of college. When you're that young, the last thing you want to do is think about children. ... That struck me right away. Why is she so into this?"

Years later, Rhodeen learned that Rodham's mother had been abandoned by her parents and, at age 8, put in charge of her 3-year-old sister on a cross-country train to live a Dickensian existence with relatives.

"Hillary talks about being very moved by that," Rhodeen said. "That would be enough, honestly, that would loom. ... I'm fully prepared to think that's formative in Hillary's family story."

Much later, those emerging passions provided fodder for Hillary-haters to portray her as an anti-family radical.

In the summer of 1971, Rodham worked at an Oakland, Calif., law firm at which at least two partners had been members of the Communist Party; one, Robert Treuhaft, had been a leading lawyer for the party. The firm previously had defended Black Panthers.

At a hearing of the Democratic National Committee in Boston, she urged that the party's 1972 platform "respond to a growing movement to extend civil and political rights to children," The New York Times reported. In 1973, she published an article in the Harvard Educational Review that asserted a broad view of children's rights.

Then there's her work as associate editor of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action, whose incendiary content included an issue featuring four forbidding soldiers on its cover, wearing gas masks and armed with rifles with fixed bayonets.

Many anti-Clinton books, articles and Web sites mine the Yale years; the late conservative writer Barbara Olson wrote that the Harvard article "reveals a leftist ideologue, dedicated to centrally directed social engineering, dismissive of the traditional role of the family, and interested in children primarily as levers with which to obtain political power."

Viewed through the context of time and place, there's less there than Clinton's opponents would like.

Beyond its overheated coverage of the Black Panther trial, much of the review's work focused on the law as social equalizer, including issues such as tenants' rights, with a heavy period dose of privileged young white guilt.

Mal Burnstein, the partner for whom Rodham did the most work during her summer in Oakland, said "the work she did with us was law. It was not politics."

Burnstein said that Clinton might have done research on a case challenging whether government doctors should be required to take loyalty oaths. Much of her work was legal research for the firm, which specialized in civil rights and civil liberties for Oakland's poorest, including tenant-landlord disputes and domestic and personal injury cases.

Her Harvard article was more about emerging legal theory than a public policy proposal, Rhodeen said.

"You're giving voice to a whole area of the law that really wasn't thought about," Rhodeen said. "She no more wants to pit children against their parents than the man on the moon. The thing is, when the child's just not getting the essentials of being able to grow up as a reasonably whole and secure human being, you gotta pay attention. And then what is the apparatus that will ensure attention is paid appropriately? So how you conceive that and what structures have to be in there and how those structures could play out, worst-case scenario, you have to think about that kind of stuff."

A partnership begins

Rodham's time at Yale also was important for personal reasons: She met Bill Clinton in the cavernous law library in the spring of 1971. Their first date was at an art museum, and they eventually lived together on the first floor of a rickety two-story wood-frame house near the campus.

more at.............
http://www.bnd.com/news/politics/story/184195.html
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:20 PM
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1. "What the deal was"???
Why wouldn't former Yalies be able to speak up? Are they in internment camps?

Do try to make logical coherent sense. With little handy links that might enhance your point.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:36 PM
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5. what point?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:38 PM
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6. Point is...asking if any other DU'ers were there when "Bill/Hill" were...
that's what it was...
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:41 PM
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8. so what point are you trying to make??
Are you hoping some DUer will come forward and expose the Clintons for something or another you're cooking up in your imagination?

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:24 PM
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2. Like the real poor?? Hell, Clinton lived for a time in a TRAILER.
For Yale, he was as "real poor" as they come.

You might want to chop your cite there to the DU four or five paragraph limit...
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:33 PM
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3. Was there at Yale...at the time period...but was part of "two Americas"...
and that this division still exists is interesting...but I do know Yale did try at that time period for "Diversity" or I wouldn't be posting this...
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 09:03 PM
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14. Oh My God - the horror - a TRAILER!!!!
You have no friggin' clue how funny that is. Believe me, a, gasp, TRAILER, would be a haven for a lot of poor people. As far as I know, Bill never had a day hungry, had parents and grandparents who always worked, and was regular old working income like half the country is. And that also qualifies half the country for scholarships if they have the grades.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 02:42 AM
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22. Pull your head out, and read for context. That's the real horror.
People who live in trailers don't ordinarily fund Ivy League educations out of their vast portfolios. They live pretty close to their paychecks, generally.

But no...you've got to deliberately misinterpret, and then get all didactic and dramatic, as you do.

The topic relates to the brand new 'diversity' of the Yale campus that was UNTRIED at the time--which included POOR people as well as 'dusky folk' on those scholarships--the ones that the weren't giving out before they decided to go for a diverse student body.

See, the poor, on those scholarships you snidely assert are so easy to get, weren't THERE in numbers before, and neither were the scholarship opportunities--that's the point--the point you TOTALLY missed when you decided to lecture me.

Clinton might well have been the first guy to graduate from that law school who lived in a trailer.

Read for context whydoncha?

Why you always jump in with this unrelated crap, I have no idea. See, I DO have a clue--I followed the discussion. You didn't, 'as you do.'

:eyes:
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:35 PM
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4. Better check this out. Illuminati !
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3750244&mesg_id=3750244

:sarcasm:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:39 PM
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7. Nah....it's not that.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:43 PM
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9. Anyone know anyone ELSE who was in Kenya or where ever...when "Obama" was there when he was 10?
I don't buy all these puff pieces on him for one second. :rofl:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:55 PM
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11. Indonesia...! nt
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:57 PM
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12. ok... anyone know anyone else who was there?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:59 PM
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13. Well, if you listen to the GOP, he shared a desk at the madrasa with Osama! NT
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 09:08 PM
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17. no, just as the OP is doing in regards to the Clintons at Yale, just want to know if any DUer...
...knew Obama then or was there are the same time. Maybe they developed the same world view while hanging out on the playground?
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 09:59 PM
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20. which, of course is bullshi*, but
Bush was in good graces with Osama bin Missing's brother ... and that's a pure fact ...
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:46 PM
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10. Conservative radio host Michael Medved went to Yale...
...when Hillary Clinton went there.
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 09:05 PM
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15. My cousin was at Yale Divinity School and met them both.
The divinity school was very leftist and very ant-war--William Sloan Coffin taught there. In all honesty, divinity schools were yet another way to avoid the draft and the people that went to the Ivy League ones (like Princeton Seminary), freely admitted this. These people could not be called chickenhawks, however, because they were the ant-war doves (unlike the Cheney types).

Anyway, my cousin DID know Bill, as they ran in the same anti-war circles. He still remembers Bill talking about running for President, like it was actually going to be a reality; and most people shaking their heads thinking it was just bravado.

My cousin remembers Hillary as being sort of an "earth mother" and a kind person. He said people gravitated to both Bill and Hillary for different reasons.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 09:05 PM
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16. No conspiracy - Yale Law is VERY small compared to Harvard. nt
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 09:38 PM
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18. You could fit the whole Yale Law School into two or three classes at Haaavid
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/16/national/16LAW.html?ex=1195966800&en=86a18dd89d7fed88&ei=5070

Harvard has 550 first-year students, New York University and Columbia have approximately 370 each, and Yale and Stanford have approximately 180 each.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 09:50 PM
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19. Yale Med School only had about a hundred or so in class at that time
Edited on Fri Nov-23-07 09:51 PM by KoKo01
and some where there in different places when all that was going on in New Haven. Lieberman was there,too... Not in Med School, though.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 02:26 AM
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21. Sorry, I arrived on the Yale campus for grad school in 1974, and
they were already gone.
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