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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:08 PM
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Input requested: Is there consensus here that Richardson will probably finish 5th (or 4th?) in Iowa?
I'm thinking that the first three in Iowa will be Edwards, Obama, and Hillary (I hope in that order, but I'm sure others hope for a different order -- for the purposes of this topic, it hardly matters what order the top three finish).

Some people seem to think that Biden has passed Richardson, but I'm sure Richardson fans would disagree, and the polling seems to show Biden with more momentum than Richardson but Richardson still ahead of Biden.

In this context, I'm not asking about Kucinich, Edwards, Obama, Hillary, or Biden.

I'm only asking about Richardson. Only two questions:

Where will Richardson finish in Iowa?

How will Richardson's finish in Iowa affect his performance in New Hampshire?

Your thoughts on these two questions would be appreciated.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:10 PM
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1. I think you're probably right, and I think
it will help him in NH where he's in a statistical tie with JE.
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:14 PM
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2. yes - most definitely - O, E, C, R, B and the rest of the field - just imho
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:17 PM
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3. Well, considering that there is the "redistribution" process to deal with,
Edited on Wed Nov-21-07 01:17 PM by FrenchieCat
it will not be as evident as one might have thought.

I posed a question which appears very hard to answer, and may affect exactly how the Iowa Vote turns out for everyone: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3745913
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:20 PM
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4. At the moment, I'd guess C,O,E,R,B,K,D,G. To answer your questions, specifically:
Edited on Wed Nov-21-07 01:20 PM by Basileus Basileon
1. Fourth, probably.
2. It probably won't by much.
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:22 PM
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5. Richardson could very well finish Top 2 in Iowa.
He's positioned very well. Coming from 10-20 points behind in Iowa has happened before. The polls could be completely shot. Many Iowans don't make up their mind until a week before the caucus.

If he does well, (especially if he wins Iowa), he will have an excellent shot to win New Hampshire.
Iowans are looking for the most electable candidates. So Hillary and Obama could very well lag behind. Biden will not pass Richardson and should finish 5th.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:31 PM
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6. Iowa: Edwards Hillary Obama Biden Richardson NH: Richardson'll have dropped out and endorsed Hillary
Edited on Wed Nov-21-07 01:32 PM by Stop Cornyn
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:37 PM
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7. I'm guessing it will be Obama, Clinton, Edwards
Richardson and Biden. And in NH, Clinton with Obama a close second, Richardson and Edwards. Why would Richardson drop out when he's tied with Edwards in NH? After NH, Edwards will drop out.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:43 PM
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9. And her supporters will have paid off his campaign debt
just like Tom Vilsack :eyes:

+++++++++++++++++

I don't know that anyone will drop out until after SC 1/19 or maybe even Super Duper Tuesday 2/5 - all those running remember Dick Gephardt in 2004 and seem to be planning ahead.
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:44 PM
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10. No way Richardson finishes that low in Iowa. I'm sticking to Top 2.
Edited on Wed Nov-21-07 01:44 PM by Carrieyazel
Hillary is such a bad candidate, she could end up finishing 4th.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:38 PM
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8. I don't know that The Big Three are going to come out
1, 2, 3 from Iowa.

I think one of The Next Three (Richardson, Biden, Dodd) will get to #3.

Who that will be will rely on who the Iowa caucus-goers 2nd choice is across the state.

The Big Three are not all #1 in all 99 counties of Iowa, and no poll of 500-1,000 Iowa voters can portray how caucus-goers are going to break on January 3rd.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:54 PM
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11. TSTT
Edited on Wed Nov-21-07 01:54 PM by JohnnyLib2
Too Soon To Tell
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:00 PM
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12. I like Richardson a lot but he doesn't have the pizzazz that voters like in their candidates
I think Biden rivals Richardson in experience, but would have a better time connecting with voters. I agree that Richardson will end up 4th-6th. Behind HRC, BO, JRE but ahead of Dodd, Kucinich and Gravel. I am not sure where Biden will end up.
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brazos121200 Donating Member (626 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:49 PM
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13. Richardson will get 4th in Iowa and not do well
at all in NH. My guess.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 04:07 PM
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14. Richardson comes in 5th and then either drops out to endorse Hillary or comes in 5th in NH.
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