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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:33 PM
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Biden will take public financing
He'll rely on public matching funds, whose benefits and limits have been much argued regarding Edwards, according to an email to supporters:

As you know, we are taking every necessary step in order to compete during the final weeks leading up to the Iowa caucuses on Janurary 3rd. One of these steps includes the campaign preparing a submission in order to qualify for matching funds. What this means is public financing will MATCH every individual contribution up to $250.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1107/Biden_goes_public.html


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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:34 PM
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1. very dissapointing...
How do these candidates expect to compete in a GE with public financing?
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:40 PM
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2. I am giving to Biden .
I can shell out $100.00. I am a Clinton supporter who would like Biden as well.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:48 PM
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5. I like Biden too
The problem is, *IF* Biden wins the nomination, he's going to run out of money in the GE, and thanks to accepting public financing, he won't be allowed to raise any more cash.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 04:50 PM
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10. As the candidate wins
the money follows...in buckets!
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 05:31 PM
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13. yea but BY LAW, a candidate who accepts public financing
cannot raise more than a certain amount of cash.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:14 AM
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20. You are correct and it's simply insane to put this straight jacket on.
Public financing is the only way to run elections, but when the GOP doesn't do it, it is suicidal.

See my post below reminding folks about how it wiped Bob Dole out.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 08:57 AM
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21. wouldn't it be NICE *if* he won the nomination
for the *supposed frontrunner* who has all the cash *cough Clinton cough* to donate it to getting a Dem in office? After all -- that is the objective, yes?

Of course, no one will hold their breath for THAT to happen. :eyes:
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:36 PM
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23. The problem with public financing is:
They cap the amount of money you're allowed to raise. By law, Hillary cannot just "give all her money" to the nominee. If you run out of cash, you're dead in the water.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 04:19 PM
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7. Thanks -- I know it'll be MUCH appreciated - and needed!
:headbang:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:40 PM
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3. maybe Hillary could donate some of her left over money to the cause. That's what a team player
would do.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:47 PM
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4. You don't really understand how public financing works, do you?
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 03:47 PM by Lirwin2
When you accept federal matching funds, a cap is put on how much you are allowed to raise. Did you REALLY think that the government would just give your campaign money without any strings attached?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 04:31 PM
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9. Wait, I thought that once the primaries are over those restrictions do not apply
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 04:37 PM by cryingshame
And that there's only a couple of months in the summer where a candidate might be strapped for cash.

And that's where interest groups can help out?
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 05:36 PM
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14. Well "Interest groups, 501s, etc
can do promotional "issues ads without restriction during the election, and in te past , they have been very deft at supporting the candidate without mentioning his or her name.

Biden knows the drill, I'm sure they willl work something out if he comes away with the Nomination.

More than likely he's playing for VP would be my guess.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 04:17 PM
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6. It's a difficult call, for the reasons you mention. I'm CURRENTLY pleased
about it because my paltry contributions will be matched, but if he were to get the nom....

But at this point in the race, he apparently had no choice.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:46 PM
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17. precisely.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 05:28 PM
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12. Gore accepted public financing in 2000
It's not the end of the world.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:12 AM
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22. People...don't get in a panic...
he hasn't accepted it yet, merely filed for it;

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Long-shot Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Joseph Biden filed on Friday to obtain public financing to keep his campaign alive.

Biden, who has raised $8.2 million for his bid and has spent about $6.3 million, submitted paperwork with the Federal Election Commission to qualify for government matching funds to help him compete in what will likely be the most expensive U.S. presidential campaign in history.

"We are taking every step to ensure that we will have the necessary resources to compete in Iowa and the other early states," said Luis Navarro, Biden's campaign manager.

The Delaware senator's campaign said it would decide over the next month whether to accept the money.

Biden has polled largely in the single digits, well behind front-runners Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, who have each raised tens of millions of dollars.

Biden's position as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, which deals with the Iraq war, has helped raise his profile among voters.

John Edwards, the former Democratic North Carolina senator who is third in most polls, has already said he would take public financing for his White House bid.

Those who take public funds are required to adhere to strict spending limits. The system, created in the 1970s after the Watergate scandal, is financed by taxpayers who check a box on their tax returns.

The expected high cost of the 2008 White House campaign, which could easily surpass the nearly $300 million raised by President George W. Bush in 2004, made it enticing to opt out of public financing and avoid the spending limits it imposes. Continued...
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0937693520071109
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 04:28 PM
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8. A blog comment from the link provided:
His royalties from I Spy must be running out. Maybe his buddy BillCosby could give him a hand?

Never heard THAT comparison, before -- Biden/Robert Culp?

For those of you too young to remember:




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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 05:18 PM
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11. Unless the candidate plans to try and buy the election, matching funds is not a big handicap.
Hillary has $48.1
Obama has $34.6
Edwards has $12.4
Richardson has $5.7
Dodd has $3.9
Biden has $1.8
Kucinich has $.3

The truth is that Hillary, Obama, Edwards, Richardson, Dodd, and Biden have enough money to get through Iowa (45 more days). Kucinich could probably benefit from matching funds over the next 45 days, but he is running to gain a platform for his great message and not running to win. Gravel never raised enough that "matching" would make a difference.

If Edwards, Obama, Richardson, Biden, or Dodd candidate wins Iowa, they'll get the enough money to run through Super Tuesday, and the race won't really go past Mid-February. If they don't win Iowa, they're not going to win New Hampshire either, and if they can't win either of those races, they can't catch Hillary (one possible exception: if Obama or Edwards finishes 2nd in both Iowa and New Hampshire they might still have an outside shot as the not-Hillary candidate once every other not-Hillary candidates falls out).

So ... what does the decision to accept matching funds indicate? It indicates nothing more than the fact that the candidate has chosen to campaign past Iowa no matter how they'll do.

Finally, look at Biden's numbers. Ask yourself: are the federal matching caps even an issue for him? Clearly, not.
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 05:38 PM
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15. Nice analysis. Thanks. nt
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:37 PM
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16. thanks, I learned a lot from your post. It sounds very well thought out.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:01 PM
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18. I thank you, too. Makes sense! nt
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:12 AM
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19. Admirable, but suicidal for a national candidate of the Democratic Party.
Ask Bob Dole what happened when he ran out of money in 1996 and Clinton -- who wasn't bound by matching funds limitations -- destroyed him after Dole ran out of money in the death zone between the primaries and the convention when more money is allowed once again to be spent.

I like Joe and John, but this is suicide for any Democrat against the GOP.

I guess he had no other option.
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