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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:12 AM
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Hillary Clinton's NAFTA flip-flops.
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 01:22 AM by calteacherguy
Hillary Clinton's statements about NAFTA are certainly taking an about face considering her remarks at the DLC National Convention in 2002 in speaking about the Accomplishments of the Clinton Administration, which she appears to be quite proud of. Certainly, many of the accomplishments were good for the American citizen as in the Family Leave Act, but she also proudly points out NAFTA as an Accomplishment and I quote:

"We all know the record of the DLC, the Progressive Policy Institute and, of course, the Clinton-Gore Administration. The economic recovery plan stands first and foremost as a testament to both good ideas and political courage. National service. The Brady Bill. Family Leave. NAFTA. Investment in science and technology. New markets. Charter schools. The Earned Income Tax Credit. The welfare to work partnership. The COPS program. The SAFER program. All of these came out of some very fundamental ideas about what would work." July 29, 2002
http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=106&subid=122&contentid=250750 (full text of speech)

Speaking to union members at a debate in Chicago in August, Clinton said something her audience wanted to hear: "Well, I had said for many years, that, you know, NAFTA and the way it's been implemented has hurt a lot of American workers."

By contrast, in her 2003 autobiography, Clinton describes NAFTA as an "important. . . goal" of her husband's tenure. A year before, she told the centrist Democratic Leadership Council that NAFTA was one of her husband's accomplishments.

At the most recent debate in Nevada Clinton "laughed off" a question about NAFTA by saying, "All I can remember from that is a bunch of charts."

http://www.thebarackobamareport.com/the_barack_obama_report/2007/11/hillary-flipflo.html
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PADEMJES12 Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:25 AM
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1. Indeed NAFTA has hurt bad
NAFTA and CAFTA have hurt our working families badly.  Our
rep. from PA, Tim Murphy (R) recently voted against a measure
to provide economic assistance for those workers who lose
their jobs due to outsourcing.  I forget what the bill was. 
Should essentially cut and paste the part of the auto-bio
where it talks about NAFTA.  Pennsylvania alone... i think the
6th largest state has lost 202,000 jobs since NAFTA was
incorporated.  Hillary hasnt even come out against it... and
as a UNION or UNION worker... how could you endorse someone
with close ties to passing defunct trade agreements.  Im
picking edwards.  I recommend edwards or obama... thats the
ticket.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 02:17 AM
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5. Welcome to DU PADEMJES12
:HI:
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:38 AM
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8. Ohio is right along with that.
Free Trade agreements have been disastrous for all poor, working and middle class peoples of the US, Canada and Mexico while enhancing the bank accounts of the wealthy. Why would we nominate someone who is unapologetically for Free Trade?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:07 AM
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10. 2002 said Nafta ok-then 2006 said NAFTA bad - new data means new opinion - indeed Obama
and Clinton have identical voting records and current attitudes toward NAFTA.

The job loss is very real - and finally every one sees it - some of it caused by Bush not enforcing the NAFTA agreements that were put in to protect against this (albeit those provisions were weak - but Bush totally not enforcing is not helping).
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:22 AM
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11. Welcome home PADEMJES12.......I do like your recommendations.

There is just so much stuff to process these days.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:40 AM
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2. Good stuff, thanks!
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:44 AM
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3. Is there any poll-driven issue Clinton HASN'T flip-flopped on to suit her ends?
*crickets*

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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:57 AM
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4. Here is the Flip.: at a Forum or Debate before the two most
recent debate---She said whe will call for Moratroium on Trade Deals.
Need to study what is going right what is going wrong.

Then last week she up and votes for the Peru Trade Deal.

If you really think a moratorium is in order, then eith vote
against the treay or do not show for the vote. Yes, this can
be interpreted either way.

There are other Deals, ie Columbia --2 or 3 more.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:28 AM
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12. this is the kind of superficial reading and regurgitating of the talking points
that does no one any good. The reason they (not just Clinton) went for Peru was because of the specific regulations, requirements, safeguards in place. I am certain that you are not suggesting we have no trade with Peru. I am certain that you are not suggesting we have no agreement with Peru.

These distortions are not reality. I know that Edwards said it--and you are just repeating it without really looking at the issue, and that is what Edwards is counting on.

I wonder if the Edwards crowd is so upset with people changing their minds, how can they support him?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:24 AM
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6. Nevertheless, Hillary still is the front runner and over all, way better than Republicans who still
seem lost in the woods.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:10 AM
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7. And here's her record, which is very good...
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 07:10 AM by Perry Logan
Senator Clinton supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Trust for Historic Preservation 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Education Association 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Children's Defense Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 91 percent in 2006.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 100 percent in 2005

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence 100 percent from 1988-2003 (Senate) or 1991-2003 (House).

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Public Health Association 80 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 84 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Worker 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 88 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of Government Employees 83 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Committee for an Effective Congress 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 100 percent in 2005.

According to the National Journal - Composite Liberal Score's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on economic, defense and foreign policy issues than 80 percent of the Senators.

According to the National Journal - Liberal on Social Policy's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on social policy issues than 83 percent of the Senators.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Alliance for Retired Americans 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 92 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Bread for the World 100 percent in 2003-2004.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Partnership for the Homeless 100 percent in 2003-2004.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=WNY99268

She was promoting universal coverage before it was cool. Furthermore she helped to create the SCHIP program. And most importantly she was dead on in the debate the other week where she said political will was the most important thing needed to push health care reform through and we know without a doubt she has that.

She has fougt unrelentingly for a woman's right to choose as well as women's rights both domestically and abroad

Create a Strategic Energy Fund - Hillary has proposed a Strategic Energy Fund that would inject $50 billion into research, development and deployment of renewable energy, energy efficiency, clean coal technology, ethanol and other homegrown biofuels. Hillary's proposal would give oil companies a choice: invest in renewable energy or pay into the fund. Hillary's proposal would also eliminate oil company tax breaks and make sure that oil companies pay their fair share for drilling on public lands. Instead of sending billions of dollars to the Middle East for their oil, Hillary's proposal will create a new clean energy industry in America and create tens of thousands of jobs here.

Champion a Market-Based "Cap and Trade" Approach - Hillary supports a market-based, cap and trade approach to reducing carbon emissions and fight global warming. This approach was used successfully to limit sulfur dioxide and reduce levels of acid rain in the 1990s. By capping the amount of emissions in the environment and allowing corporations to buy and sell permits, this approach offers corporations a flexible, cost-efficient method to do their share to reduce emissions and combat global warming. The program will reduce emissions, drive the development of clean technologies, and create a market for projects that store carbon dioxide.

20% Renewable Electricity Standard by 2020 - Hillary believes we need to shift our reliance on high carbon electricity sources to low-carbon electricity sources by investing in renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind. As President, she'll work to require power companies to obtain 20 percent of their energy from renewable sources by 2020.

Make Federal Buildings Carbon Neutral - Hillary believes that the federal government should lead the way in reducing carbon emissions from buildings. Buildings account for 40 percent of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, and the federal government owns or leases more than 500,000. Hillary would require all federal buildings to steadily increase the use of green design principles, energy efficient technologies, and to generate energy on-site from solar and other renewable sources. By 2030, all new federal buildings and major renovations would be carbon neutral, helping to fight global warming and cutting the $5.6 billion that the federal government spends each year on heating, cooling and lighting.

Protecting Against Exposure to Toxic Chemicals - Hillary wants to make the products we use safer, especially for children. There are tens of thousands of chemicals used in the U.S. and hundreds of new chemicals introduced each year, but little health testing is conducted for many of them. Hillary would require chemical companies to prove that new chemicals are safe before they are put on the market, and would set more stringent exposure standards for kids. She would also create a "priority list" of existing chemicals and require testing to make sure they are safe. To improve our understanding of the links between chemicals and diseases like cancer, Hillary would create an "environmental health tracking network" that ties together information about pollution and chronic diseases.

Hillary's Record

Hillary has been a leading member of the Environment and Public Works Committee since she was elected to the Senate. Today, she chairs the Superfund and Environmental Health Subcommittee and in that capacity has promoted legislation to evaluate and protect against the impact of environmental pollutants on people's health and clean up toxic waste.

Global warming and Clean Air
Spoken out forcefully about the need to tackle global warming in hearings, speeches, rallies and on the Senate floor and co-sponsored "cap and trade" legislation.
Worked to reduce air pollution that causes asthma and other respiratory diseases by writing and helping to pass new laws to clean up exhaust from school buses, and other diesel-powered equipment.
Supported legislation to reduce pollution from power plants, including harmful emissions of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, mercury, and carbon dioxide - emissions that contribute to poor air quality, smog, acid rain, global warming, and mercury contamination of fish.
Aggressively fought the Bush Administration's ill-advised attempts to weaken clean air laws.

Improving Water Quality and Protecting Drinking Water
Helped to overturn the Bush Administration's attempt to allow more arsenic in drinking water.
Cosponsored legislation to protect lakes, rivers and coastal waters by fighting the spread of destructive invasive species, such as the zebra mussel.
Helped ot pass new clean water laws, including measures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

Protecting Public Lands
Fought oil company efforts to pen the Artic Wildlife Refuge in Alask and Pacific and Atlantic coastal waters to drilling.
Cosponsored the Roadless Area Conservation Act, which prohibits road construction and logging in unspoiled, roadless areas of the National Forest System, and voted for additional funding and manpower to combat forest fires in the west.

Reducing Dangerous Chemicals and Cleaning Up Hazardous Waste
Supported legislation to restore the "polluter pays" principle by reinstating a chemical company fee to fund cleanups of highly contaminated "Superfund" waste sites.
Cosponsored the "kids-Safe Chemical Act," which requires chemical companies to provide health and safety before putting new chemicals in consumer products.
Proposed legislation to create an environmental health tracking network to enable us to better understand the impact of environmental hazards on human health and well-being.

Tackling the Toxic Legacy of 9/11
Pushed for health care benefits for first responders, residents and others whose health has been impacted from breathing the toxic dust and smoke in New York City after 9/11.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/8/20/134810/677


SUPPORT FROM PROGRESSIVE GROUPS
The following are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:45 AM
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9. OP repeats debunked smear.
Bullshit from the OP:

At the most recent debate in Nevada Clinton "laughed off" a question about NAFTA by saying, "All I can remember from that is a bunch of charts."

http://www.thebarackobamareport.com/the_barack_obama_re...


How many times will this crap be posted by Obawards Shills?
She laughed at Ross Perot. Honest people know that.
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