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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:13 PM
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Hillary Heckled at Environmental Forum

LOS ANGELES - Hillary Clinton was peppered by anti-war hecklers at a presidential forum on climate change and energy policy, leading to the forceful expulsion of one protestor from the audience.

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"How can you say you're for the environment when you are always voting for war?" local activist Tyghe Berry shouted out as he stood up from his seat in the audience and interrupted the front-running Democratic candidate as she vowed to make America green if elected President.

"Were you invited to speak here this afternoon?," responded a visibly perturbed Senator Clinton. Berry was then immediately grabbed by security agents and rushed to a waiting police car by a phalanx of LAPD and federal officers. When Senator Clinton was introduced earlier to the forum she was met with both loud cheers and scattered boos from the predominantly Democratic and liberal audience of approximately 1,000.

The momentary disruption was the emotional high point of an otherwise sedate Saturday afternoon forum that lacked any of the drama or vigor that marked the Democratic debate two nights ago in Las Vegas.

Only candidates Clinton, John Edwards and Dennis Kucinich appeared at the forum on Global Warming & America's Energy future organized by Grist magazine and Public Radio International's Living on Earth and endorsed by a coalition of environmental organizations.

All three participating candidates offered similar promises to push green policies, move America away from reliance on foreign oil, and to reduce greenhouse gases. But the format of the debate allowed no interaction or exchanges between the candidates nor any questions from the public. The panel of three selected questioners asked no challenging questions, allowing the candidates a relatively unobstructed opportunity to promote their respective environmental campaigns.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marc-cooper/hillary-heckl...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:14 PM
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1. And here I thought she was everyone's favorite! nt
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:16 PM
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6. Did you listen?
She was impressive. And she clealy knows what she's talking about, and where she wants to go with alternative energy and environmental policy.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 08:10 AM
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65. I have listened to her environmental speals. It ok. Not progressive or
tough enough. AND I believe she'll cave into big oil. Business as usual. All plans lead to good intentions, but like her husband, she may get snowed. Big business got NAFTA and we were supposed to get Universal Healthcare. Now, she's learned... she's not even offering that. Tax cuts don't do shit for me. What would they save me $200.00? That is not good for me. Do you know the average cost of insurance on your own for a family? Did you know that most of those plans don't pay for a pregnancy in the first year? If you get pregnant, they won't pay. $10-30,000.00 later in medical bills and you start out with your little bundle of joy costing you an arm and a leg.

Dennis has it right. We already have Medicare, put everyone on it and pay a little more. Believe me, I pay for other's medicare and my husband pays for other's medicare and he pays for our family healthcare. And I count us lucky, we have a decent plan (fortunately we have never been really sick to have our claims denied--like cancer). And can you imagine how much cheaper the cost of healthcare would be when they aren't trying to make huge profits for their stock holders? The govt doesn't require returns as an investment.
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 06:11 PM
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68. Neo-liberals talk out of both sides of der mouths. They are bullllshiiit!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:18 PM
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9. Can't say anything bad about the ol' girl or you'll be accused of
being a right wing attack dog. LOL!!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:19 PM
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10. I'm getting that impression, too. So I didn't.
:P
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:23 PM
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20. what nonsense.. n/t
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:30 PM
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30. Don't you suspect plants? n/t
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:37 PM
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43. Obawards planted that lady!!
She couldn't be just thinking for herself!! Some one had to plant her!!
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:14 PM
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2. I cannot wait for those who were complaining about the debate audience
who were booing Obama and Edwards come to Clinton's defense........
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:23 PM
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18. Hillary did not seem to need any help.
She handled it well. I thought the fact she let him disrupt for a long time without commenting was very smart. By the time she challenged the heckler the audience was totally done with him.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:15 PM
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3. People who behave like that are jackasses.
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 08:18 PM by calteacherguy
We can only learn through civil discourse and dialogue. If they want to protest in that manner, they ought to do so outside the place where the event is being held. He's as bad as the morons booing during the debate.
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 06:10 PM
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67. It's always good to booooooo neo-liberals.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:15 PM
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4. Good. Payback for the plants...
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 08:15 PM by jefferson_dem
Touche.

:bounce:
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:15 PM
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5. sounds like hypocrisy on a Saturday night
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:17 PM
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7. no shit, when they do it to Obama they WHINE AND WHINE
about plants, etc. fucking TYPICAL HYPOCRITES.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:18 PM
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8. It was meant more as a joke than anything.
Hypocrisy? I'm sorry, did you criticize 1. Hillary's planting questions at the forum? ; 2. Edwards getting booed by Hillary's supporters at the debate?

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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:30 PM
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31. Suddenly, they have nothing to say
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:57 PM
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55. That's All The Obama Symps Have Left
DSB
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Reno.Muse Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:22 PM
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16. From what I've heard, the state dem party parlayed the extra seats
at the debate this past week to Hillary robots. She deserves to get her *rse smacked for her sick politics in Nevada, home of Harry Reid. Don't forget, his son, Clark County Commissioner Rory Reid, was in the front row that night and he's chairing her Nevada campaign. These crooks make me ashamed of being a Democrat in Nevada.

Go John Edwards, the only progressive candidate!
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:29 PM
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29. Where is the State Dem party refusing tickets to non-Clinton supporters reported?
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:34 PM
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36. I read a transcript with crowd reactions today
All of the candidates got lots of cheers, even Edwards who didn't deserve any. Kucinich was booed for calling Edwards a trial lawyer. How did that benefit Hillary? That looked to me like a benefit to Edwards.

Edwards was booed because he's taking the low road and throwing mud.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:36 PM
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41. Stop it. You're confusing them. nt
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:23 PM
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19. Yeah, great. Now both sides are arrogant asses.
Way to aim high! :eyes:
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luckyleftyme2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:26 PM
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26. they all have plants

THEY ALL HAVE THEIR FAVORITES -REGEAN WAS NOTED FOR IT
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:55 PM
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54. Obama didn't even show up. Nor did Biden, Dodd
or Richardson, and it wasn't a smart move. They dissed NRDC and the League of Conservation voters- among other sponsors.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:19 PM
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11. Good that someone got ejected
I think heckling should be confined to congressional hearings. :evilgrin:
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:19 PM
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12. A smart, savvy Clinton would've answered the question honestly
and put the heckler in his place.

Oh, wait...that wouldn't have helped her. Probably no script for that, either.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:24 PM
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22. did you listen? n/t
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:31 PM
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34. Why should she respond to some braying jackass? They deserve shit
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:42 PM
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49. She did respond. Poorly.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:01 AM
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66. I don't like that
people who heckle are not just evicted from the forum but instead taken away by police.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:20 PM
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73. But she's not honest.
so she can only fire back a ridiculous phrase already tirelessly used by her husband.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:21 PM
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13. My doesn't that sound like her hubby's "how dare you ? " remark. Always irritated
when the "common folk" ask a question that isn't "pre-planted". The question was a good one and pointed to her hypocrisy.I admit it was rude, and I do not defend that, but she got a taste of what the others experienced in Vegas.And I'll bet the alleged "heckler" wasn't a campaign "plant".Face it, would she have allowed that question to even be asked if questions were allowed? I wish that had been a Debate question!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:31 PM
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33. you haven't a clue what you're talking about
It's clear you didn't listen to this debate.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:38 PM
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45.  to clarify.I meant Vegas Presidential debate question. and I do not defend the rudeness of
the questioner. But the alleged frontrunner didn't handle the questioner well either.The response was childish and temperamental.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:21 PM
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self-delete dupe
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 08:22 PM by cali
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 06:14 PM
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71. Did you hear about the fly on the toilet seat?
She got pissed off too!
:rofl:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:21 PM
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14. fuck the asshole who wrote this.
"The momentary disruption was the emotional high point of an otherwise sedate Saturday afternoon forum that lacked any of the drama or vigor that marked the Democratic debate two nights ago in Las Vegas."

I don't want stupid drama. What an idiot. This was by far the most substantive debate I've heard/heard about. And the questioning was done by people who knew the field and asked smart and probing questions.

Let me say it again: Cooper is a fucking asshole.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:34 PM
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38. No shit. Apparently if there is no
dog fight,it's not good theater. I didn't realize that was the point.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:23 PM
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61. "Emotional high point"
is not a statement of judgment, but simply an observation of fact. To take note of the disruption in the context of a full report on the debate is simply competent journalism.

Would you rather the press ignore dissident voices and disruptions and pretend that they don't happen, and that things are different than they really are?

Wait, don't answer that.
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #61
70. hee, hee. Nice one.
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 06:12 PM
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69. What was the substance? Please explain.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:22 PM
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I must have missed it. What number speaker was Obama for this shindig?
Maybe he had to go vote in the senate, eh?

Ooops..he doesn't do that either
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:22 PM
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15. Picture of Heckler



Obvious Obama plant. :sarcasm:
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #15
57. Hmmmmmmmmmm...that is one nice looking Oprah shot
Day-um.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:23 PM
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17. At least she wasn't heckled at a Democratic Presidential debate!
:rofl:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:24 PM
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21. That person was an idiot, as are the people thinking it was cool.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:25 PM
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23. Agreed. nt
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:26 PM
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25. isn't it funny how many people are weighing in, who didn't
listen to the debate? And did you read what that idiot from Huffpost wrote about it?
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:37 PM
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42. I don't listen because Richardson has to formally re-introduce himself (nt)
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:40 PM
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46. Yes it is, and no I haven't.
:)

I'm almost afraid to read what people are saying about it.It's a shame those who hate so much didn't see it because both Edwards and Hillary were really good (really wished I had caught DK though) and it's a topic that should be uniting us all, not used as fodder by those too blinded by partisan hatred to ever admit that someone they don't like might actually have said things that made sense.

All of the ideas they talked about were solid and need doing.There's no one way it has to be done..it just has to be done.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:41 PM
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48. It was a proud moment for the Dems.nt.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:45 PM
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51. Yes it was, which makes this thread even sadder, but considering the source it's not surprising.
:thumbsdown:
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:25 PM
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24. I guess CNN was not there to plant pro-HRC members in the audience. nm
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:35 PM
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39. What did Obama have to say at the event? I missed his speech
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #39
52. Obama thought it was a Senate Vote and failed to show up...
as per usual.
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BruceMcF Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:28 PM
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27. The good thing about the heckler ...
... was that the next questioner that asked Senator Clinton a question first apologized for the heckler and very effectively put the heckling down, with something about some people thinking there was more to be learned from discussion than from shouting ... a bit of that early in the CNN debate would have made for a much better event.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. Fair observation
BruceMcF, please contribute more.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:30 PM
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32. Agreed. nt
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:33 PM
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35. And Obama got BOOOOED at the Vegas Debate...
and I laughed so hard when they boooed him I almost bust a gut.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:34 PM
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37. I'm sure you have more than one gut to spare
no worries. ;)
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #37
44. No. just the one. how many you got? Or can you count that high?
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:41 PM
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47. You're right, I have guts
I'm a veteran. thanks for the compliment.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:43 PM
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50. I'm a veteran too. I have a purple heart and everything. In cyber-world we are all heroes.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:54 PM
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53. I love CPH
:rofl:
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:59 PM
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56. Thanks durrrty libby.
I love reading your posts as well. :toast:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 09:13 PM
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58. Some of these "cyber heroes" believe their own BS and
demand the rest of us do too. :nopity:
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:35 PM
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40. Funny the same thing happens with Giuliani ( protestors)
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 09:18 PM
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59. aren't you the confused little dim, er, dem?
this wasn't a Clinton event. It was a debate. She didn't organize it or run it. pathetic.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 10:36 PM
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60. Golly gee whiz and jumpy jimmy
when Obama was booed at the Vegas debate we heard over and over that it was a planted audience for Hillary. Son of pitch me out the window....was this audience packed with Obama plants...hmmmmmmmmmmm turn about's fair play huh.
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feminazi Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:56 PM
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62. was this forum televised?
if so, what channel? maybe i can catch a replay.

thanks
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 12:08 AM
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63. I thought her answer perfectly showed that she is "on message"
A guy asks a question about her war record and she yaps back at him, not answering the question. Then the cops round the guy up and put him in chains and is whisked away by the federales.

You got your answer and it comes as no surprise.

Any more questions from the minions?

What would Bush do? Same thing as Hillary...


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weeve Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 01:17 AM
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64. Actually ...
... the guy had a point.

"How can you say you're for the environment when you are always voting for war?"

Which is exactly why Al Gore was given the Nobel PEACE prize. They are completely interlinked.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 06:20 PM
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72. Kerry didn't want his heckler tasered, Clinton can't wait to get rid of hers.
"Were you invited to speak here this afternoon?" sounds like someone who can't handle dissent.

Ed Muskie would invite hecklers on stage and debate them, a tactic that proved effective and popular. If Hillary can't do the same, it shows she must not be that great of a debater.
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