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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:41 PM
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Obama responds to Clinton's response re: Novak.
Apologies if this has already been posted.

"The Clinton campaign has admitted that they do not possess the scandalous information in question and we take them at their word," said David Plouffe, Obama's campaign manager in a statement on Saturday. "But what we dont accept is their assertion that this is somehow falling for Republican tricks. This is exactly the kind of smear politics, Democrats need to fight back on, regardless of the source or the party. Democrats should know that when Barack Obama is their nominee, he will not allow the Swift boat politics of fear and diversion to prevail in this campaign."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:42 PM
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1. ohmygod.
this is laughable!
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. I think it's a very good response by Obama.
Clinton was foolish to respone in the way she did. She should have taken the higher ground against the Republicans instead of attacking a fellow Democrat.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:44 PM
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4. The Obama campaign is embarrassing themselves. They are sad.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:45 PM
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6. Whatever.
Seems to be Clinton is being quite hypocritical.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #2
13. "instead of attacking a fellow democrat?" Now that is funny.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #2
33. She was attacked first!! She was accused with
absolutely no proof of anything.Maybe the bar shouldn't have been lowered in the first place.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #33
77. Oh. She's a victim! Poor poor Hillary. Always being taken advantage of by bad men.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #1
19. What a putz!! Obama got played like a fiddle by Novak, and ran crying to the MSM!
"The old man said the mean lady was going to say something bad about me!"
:rofl:
Grow up, Obama.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #19
24. Aren't there any grown ups working for Obama?
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 06:54 PM by MethuenProgressive
:rofl:
Oh yeah, he's against grown ups!
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #24
46.  MP you are on a roll
:rofl:
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #24
75. Good one.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #19
32. it's worse than that!
"The old man said the mean lady WASN'T going to say something bad about me!"
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #32
40. rofl! That's right, isn't it??
Oh geeeeez... :rofl:
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:43 PM
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3. Yawn from the Obama campaign. They have become a joke.
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:45 PM
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5. This is what Hillary should have done
She should have said her campaign anonymously received some rumors about Obama, and they now assume those rumors were planted by the same man who outed Valerie Plame, namely Robert Novak.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:45 PM
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8. Yes, but instead Clinton chose to smear a fellow Democrat. nt
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #8
14. They're both being ridiculous
Both sides need to cool it; otherwise, it will create problems later on. They're too snippy. It's embarrassing.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #8
29. Talk about smears
Why does the Obama campaign say Hillary "ADMITS?" Was Hillary hiding something? What? Why is Obama holding out on Bob Novak about this?
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #8
53. She didn't smear anyone...If anyone smeared it was BO
Use your head
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #8
54. Smear? Obama's the one who smeared himself.
He bought into Novak's bs. Proof that Obama is naive and inexperienced and ill-equipped to handle the job of running as the Democratic candidate for the presidency.

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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:45 PM
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7. Obama is beginning to sound like --
Captain Queeg.

Did Hillary also make a duplicate key to the food locker and steal his strawberries?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:46 PM
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9. I'm lovin' this. Both campaigns look like children!
:popcorn:
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. I think Obama is looking better.
Clinton responded very poorly. She should have attacked the Republicans for trying to smear a fellow Democrat instead of Obama.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. Obama was ridiculous to attack Clinton.


What's the story?

Novak claims that Clinton has dirt on Obama, but she won't use it?

First --Novak makes an unsubstantiated claim that Clinton has dirt.

Second -- He then says she won't use it?

Even IF Clinton had something (which we don't know), the claim is she won't use it.

So Obama is attacking Clinton for NOT disclosing a scandal?

Do I have this right?

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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. Obama demanded a response
He got one. He should stop whining, learn his lesson about right wing sources and move on.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #10
20. Better than what?
:crazy:
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. He's coming out looking much better than Clinton on this.
He's won this round.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #26
44. I got news for ya...neither one is coming out of this looking very good.
If "winning" means looking like asses they've both earned a trophy over this story.

Mission Accomplished for Novak.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #26
57. Clinton wasn't part of this. Novak lied to Obama, and he was too inexperienced to know it.
Obama is playing rope-a-dope with no one else in the ring.
:rofl:
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MzShellG Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:19 PM
Response to Reply #26
69. True....
He had to make statement in order for HRC'S campaign to respond/condemn the accusation. It's better than what John Kerry did. This needed to be address. Bravo to Obama. He handled it well.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:48 PM
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11. Obama responds:
"I am profoundly and indubitably offended that Clinton had nothing to do with any dirt she was refusing to use on me to avoid an ugly attack she was not going to attack me with. I am profoundly offended and demand that Clinton stop respondng to me when I demand a response from her regarding an attack on me she is refusing to do. How dare she suggest that I am listening to republicans when I simply listened to a republican who said she was not going to attack me. That is the trouble with the Clinton politics."
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #11
16. heh heh
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 06:51 PM by maddiejoan
brilliant!

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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #11
18. Clinton Responds.
I am delighted that Novak planted this "story." It has provided me with a chance to attack a fellow Democrat for refusing to remain silent when ugly, swiftboating type rumors were spread by the Republicans. It's so much more fun to attack a fellow Democrat than the Republicans.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #11
43. Right on target. God, the intellectual gymnastics
being performed here to try and paint her guilty are amazing.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #11
51. Two thumbs up
"indubitably offended" :yourock:


:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #11
61. LMFAO!!
:P
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:50 PM
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17. Checkmate.
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 06:56 PM by ClarkUSA
The Queen is dead.

Obama isn't going to let Hillaryworld swiftboat him directly or indirectly without a public confrontation,
the kind that "inevitable" frontrunners don't like to be mired in.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #17
23. I'm really glad Obama responded quickly and forcefully on this. nt
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 06:54 PM by calteacherguy
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #23
34. Me too.
I would wager that this is the first time any Democrat has ever gotten in Queen Hillaryworld's face and spit in it.

WOOHOOO!!
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #23
58. His public tantrum and hissy fit was "quick and forceful"? HA!!
He got lied to and cranked up by a right wing propagandist, bought the lie completely, and looked stupid in public. Well, at least the "quick" part of your assessment is accurate!
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #17
45. How did Clinton try to swiftboat Obama? nt
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:51 PM
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21. Obama is a cry baby.
He should know that Clinton would not confide in Novak. He has a lot to learn.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #21
25. If you really think that...it's you who have a lot to learn.
Sorry.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #21
71. Yeesh. It's scary how some people have idealized Hillary.
Almost as scary as Bushbots.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:52 PM
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22. Excellent response.Puts the Clinton camp on warning.Every campaign should do this.
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 06:53 PM by saracat
Dirty tricks should NOT be tolerated by anyone.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #22
35. "Excellent response"? A public hissy fit after being played by a RW propagandist?
Obama got played by a RW pro, and looked stupid while having his public cry-to-the-media tantrum.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #22
39. you take Novak's word over the Clinton campaign's?
A right wing hack has more credibility here with some than one of our own Democratic Senators?

Strange days indeed.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. self delete
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 07:13 PM by MethuenProgressive
Obama got played. And looked foolish.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #41
50. huh? I get the whole thing. It's painfully obvious. This is the clearest sign yet that Obama
is not ready to be president.

I was wondering how the poster of the post I was responding to could call Obama's response to Clinton's response of Obama's attack on her over the Novak story could say, "excellent response."

Did you mean to reply to my post?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #50
56. sorry, I was reading too fast
and watching TV, and IMing...
I'm way too old to try to multi task on a Saturday night!
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #56
62. lol
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #39
55. I don't ...
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 07:13 PM by jefferson_dem
trust her campaign any more than I trust Novak on this one. Sad to say.

Anyway, she is not "our own Democratic Senators." She is one single Senator who happens to be running for POTUS. Let's not disparage the lot of them, eh.

EDIT: To add the "campaign" qualifier.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #22
48. What dirty trick are you talking about? nt
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TAZller Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #22
68. Dirty tricks?
Agreed, dirty tricks should not be tollerated by anyone. Being unable to identify what the dirty trick is, is just inexperienced and stoopid.

Are you making the same mistake as camp O by assuming Novak stating Clintons agents were spreading a rumor about a rumor is in fact anything but an unsubstantiated rumor? What leads you to trust Clinton did anything at all here, dirty or otherwise? Seriously.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #68
70. Mark penn and also the tactics of Clinton 1992.The clintons are not above reproach.
They are well known for dirty tricks.
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TAZller Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #70
73. So you will trust...
and think "excellent" anyone whom trusts a RW rumor poster, because of a long seeded distrust of the Clintons. At least you aren't being obscure in your bias. Does kind of neuter your analysis of this situation, though.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:39 PM
Response to Reply #73
78.  It is mostly distrust of Mark Penn and the Rove like tactics he employs.I applaud anyone who
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 11:40 PM by saracat
strikes preemptively at Rove like tactics wherever they originate from.Unfortunately the campaign of the "alleged front runner" has employed a known schister making it very easy to be suspicious.
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TAZller Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #78
79. Guess you are an example...
of the sort (meant in a nuetral manner) that O was speaking to. Heck who isn't influenced by their own biases. I personally dislike an approach of feeding on an assumption/suspicion that she is guilty through buying into a RW rumor piece. O wants to send a message that he won't cow to the pitfalls of establishment and wants to cast her in that light. HRC wants to send a message that experience can protect her from a RW dispersion, and cast O out of that light. Guess they are both doing their jobs.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #22
76. Obama should have more brains - he fell for a dirty trick.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:55 PM
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27. "Admitted"? When did they say they did have such info?
Obviously, I haven't kept up. Can someone furnish me the links where the Clinton campaign claims something awful about Obama? Or to this "admission"?
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #27
37. The Clinton campaign didn't admit anything like that.
Obama should have slapped Novak down first. He botched it IMO.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:56 PM
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28. Obama responds to Obama's retraction about Obama's response about Novak's claim about Clinton.
The Sunday talk shows are going to be laughing at the inexperience of the Obama campaign. Again!
:rofl:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:56 PM
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30. My response - "Novack stirred shit up and Democrats bit, again."
I think the campaigns need to verify scuttlebutt with one another before assuming anything from Bob Novack is true?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #30
38.  "Novack stirred shit up and ** Obama ** bit, again."
Inexperience. :shrug:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #38
60. So did Clinton
when her camp responded in the media. The campaigns should have gotten in touch immediately vs. public posturing.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #60
63. She should've stayed silent in the face of Obama's attack?
It's bizzare how people are spinning Obama's gaff into hits against Clinton.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. Her campaign should have contacted Obama's camp and said "we did not say XYZ."
At that time they could have issued coordinated statements.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #30
49. Yup...both camps look like amatuers in this one.
Novak has played them BOTH like fiddles.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #49
65. Indeed!
:hi:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #65
67. Hey there!!!!
:hi:

:loveya:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 12:54 AM
Response to Reply #67
80. :)
:* :hug:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:58 PM
Response to Original message
31. Face it..Obama is naive and inexperienced
I wish I could have compassion, but nah...it is hilarious :rofl:
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hulklogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:59 PM
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36. Obama doesn't need Hillary or Novak to 'swift boat' him
He and his staff are doing a pretty good job of McClurkining his campaign by themselves.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:02 PM
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42. Novac is an idiot, I heard him say Edwards isn't going anywhere
I have thought from day one the republicans have money in the fray.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:05 PM
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47. The Clintons always do things thru third party to smear
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #47
52. Well,that settles it.
Case closed. :eyes:
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:21 PM
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59. Please stop this. Everyone, go back to working hard for your Dem candidate.
This endless speculation will not get us anywhere but losing in 08. This is EXACTLY the kind of distraction that the Repubs want to see us be in. Novak is trying his hand again at being some kind of master player of politics in Washington. He's an old washed up pol. Forget him. Get on with whatever you can do for your candidate, which I hope and pray is a Democrat.

PLEEZE, folks! Only losers get distracted by this stuff.

Eyes on the prize!!!
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:48 PM
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66. I Found A Photograph Of Barack Obama's Rapid Response Team
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:50 PM
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72. Obama backs down...
Pretty lame

If it wasn't dirty tricks they could have asked in private if all they wanted was an assurance that it wasn't Hillary...gotten the assurance...then gone after the real target...Novak...and look like a hero to Democrats...now he looks like a hack just flinging mud everywhere to see if any sticks...

Amateur hour for the Obama campaign...
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74. He got played big time.
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