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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:35 PM
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David Brody can't figure out why Biden is not polling better.
Joe Biden: The Right Stuff?
November 16, 2007

Wheres the love for Joe Biden? Debate after debate the guy comes across as intelligent, serious and genuine. Yet hes registering in the single digits in the polls. Tell me its not frustrating for him to see the media paint this as a race between the big three. Its like he cant get into the narrative despite his broad range of solutions for the country.

Well, this new web ad may help. This thing is classic. Its called, Joe is Right and its a montage of all the candidates talking about how Joe Biden is right on so many issues. So basically he has the other candidates making his case for him! A stroke of genius. Watch it here.

Some say Biden is running for Secretary of State or VP. All I know is that his campaign is pulling out all the stops in Iowa. Hes racking up endorsements there and making that state his second home. His poll numbers arent in Hillary land but his campaign is right up there when it comes to the competition of ideas.


http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/271402.aspx

Send him some money, David ;)
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:39 PM
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1. CBN?
n/t
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:40 PM
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3. yeah - CBN - Biden has a wide appeal.
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Amanita Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:40 PM
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2. Because the MSM is used to control opinion and doesn't get it
that they are increasingly irrelevant. (between the internet and the sheer disconnect from reality)
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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 12:10 AM
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25. MSM is still a large part of Biden's minor consideration "status"
If a candidate doesn't provide snappy 10-15 sec pre-digested fodder that gives the pundits a chance to amp up a reaction, then the best the voters can hope for is the occassional mention of how sensible a particular position is, and the Hillary's, Obama's, and Edwards' get more (quietly mentioned) credit for giving the nod to Biden rather than any questioning of why a so-called "2nd tier" foreign-policy-senatorial-wonk can offer up and defend the kind of specifics of a foreign policy position that "major" candidates with absurd funding fear to be the first to voice.

For those who might challenge that notion tell me why Biden is the only candidate that has spoken to Musharaf and Bhutto. I think it can be defended, but when the "delicate" "non-interference" with policy is put in the balance against bush's defense of the dictator who aided (via Khan) the most dangerous transfer of nuke weapons tech to N Korea, Libya, and Iran, I think it's foolish to worry that opposition to Musharaf amounts to any endangering of American security.

Joe said it. We need a Pakistan policy NOT a Musharaf policy. Pakistan's population may have dangerous tendencies, but trying to put a cork in the moderate opposition will serve only to marginalise the lawyers, teachers, and other community leaders to the advantage of those we most wish to keep from having a controlling interest, namely, the Islamic extremists.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:41 PM
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4. Well, I was shocked when Kerry became the Democratic nominee almost overnight...
so maybe Biden can pull it off.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:43 PM
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5. Clever without giving anyone the evil eye or punching them in the nose
Recommended!
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:46 PM
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6. I don't like Biden's looks or personality. It doesnt' help that he defends the
interests of credit card companies over those of the card holders. Yes, I know his state is home to the credit card companies.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:50 PM
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7. What don't you like about his looks?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:59 PM
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9. It's interesting how much a person's looks and personality DO enter into our
decision making process, isn't it? On the other hand, when you begin to like someone as a PERSON, they become better looking to you. But that initial response is deep and lasting. That's all. Just a comment acknowledging and agreeing that our impressions play a big part in how we view of people. :hi:

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NI4NI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:56 PM
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19. Imagine Abraham Lincoln on the cover of GQ? n/t
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 07:59 PM by NI4NI
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Jillian Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:03 PM
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11. Not me. I think Biden is sexy.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:17 PM
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13. Well...
People shouldn't accept credit accounts if they can't, or won't pay them, and they should not look to the government to bail them out. I have no issue with the BK bill, and I guess most responsible people wouldn't. Everytime someone brings this up, my first thought is, slacker. If someone is a responsible person, this bill will never even affect them.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:21 PM
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27. Then you should be against corporations declaring bankruptcy.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:41 PM
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29. I'm against...
anyone filing a BK....it will cost me, and everyone else $400.00 a year.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:02 PM
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22. The credit card thing is a
complete misnomer.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=F03
if he was in their pocket. he would have mony from them...
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:42 PM
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30. LOL...
are you a John Boy lover....
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:56 PM
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8. I think people hesitate when it comes to Senators...
Clinton and Obama are anomalies because each is a "star" for other reasons.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:02 PM
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10. Maybe, but I think it's the media's total concentration on MONEY!
They do this all the time. I remember the same BS about how Shrub was THE candidate because of all the money he raised, even very rearly on in the campaign. Look at how they concentrated on all the candidates THIS TIME. Hell, they've been concentrating on how much $$ each candidate raised since way before half of them even declared!

Joe is doing ok on money, but certainly no where near what the leaders are raising. I'm still hoping for a great showing in Iowa!!!
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:09 PM
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12. I just hope Americans think for themselves this time 'round...
...instead of getting conned into jumping on the mainstream media bandwagon. The good thing about Iowa and NH is that the people in those states seem pretty levelheaded and down-to-earth, maybe not so likely to be impressed with large amounts of money or media hype.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:19 PM
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14. Clinton I get...
but why is Obama a star?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:23 PM
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16. imo because of that great speech he gave at the Dem convention...
He got everyone to sit up and listen ~ and it's a plus that he's young, good-looking and a member of a minority group (the U.S. really does want to move ahead when it comes to that I think).
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:20 PM
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15. I like Biden. I agree with Broder
My own hesitation is that I'm old enough to remember the "plagiarism" thing and it colored my view at first. If he was our candidate, I could support him wholeheartedly.
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Jillian Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:24 PM
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17. That was a smear campaign from one of Dukakis' staff members.
Biden always gave Kinnock credit, but one time he didn't. In Iowa at the State Fair. John Sasso was working for Dukakis and caught it on tape, gave it to Maureen Dowd, and the rest is history.

Afterwards, John Sasso made a public apology to Biden.

You see how ugly things are now, it was no different in '88.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:46 PM
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18. Yes, I realize that now
I just didn't want to write a long post. That's why I put plagiarize in quotes.
It was wrong, but it did color my opinion.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 09:10 PM
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20. At the time Biden was racing back and forth to DC
as he prepared for the Bork hearings, which he felt were extremely important. He admits he was rushed and distracted on the campaign trail. He didn't even realize he'd failed to credit Kinnock until after he left the stage.

He also did not realize how ill he was and attributed the debilitating headaches to the stress of campaigning. Later he ended up in the hospital with a brain aneurysm and almost died. It was an extremely difficult time for him and his family and he paid a very dear price for that oversight.
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 09:27 PM
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21. Intelligence is universally discriminated against in the human population...that is true n/t
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 09:28 PM by Didereaux
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:05 PM
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23. I think so
I feel it from time to time.
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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:40 PM
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24. Straight up truth is often discounted
I'm a Joe supporter, but his candidacy reminds me of a more feisty version of Tsongas' campaign. Clinton AND poppy bush deflected Tsongas' sound and clear cut plans by hijacking the bulk of his economic plan with just enough tweak to claim it as original. The bulk of Clinton's successful economic policies came directly from Tonga's and the less successful aspects were where Clinton varied to claim the plan as his own.
In this election cycle Foreign policy is paramount, and while Joe is my man, I'm pleased to see that his impact is being reflected in policy platform. Joe may have some serious black marks against him because of his bending to the credit card industry, ( and the criticism is deserved) I think most would agree that how we plan to deal with our foreign policy difficulties is the most critical set of issues in front of us.
Joe might be longer than a long shot, but I'm pleased that at least he's nudging the Dem platform to a well articulated and sensible, and most importantly less bloody course towards a peaceful way to bring our presence down in the Middle East. And Pakistan which has been ignored by most, Joe has cut through the BS and reminded us that we need a Pakistan policy, not a Musharaf policy.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 01:40 AM
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26. I don't know how much of a long shot he really is.
The blogs have been buzzing about Biden since the last two debates.
And he has quite an impressive campaign set up in Iowa and is #3 in endorsements there.
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:31 PM
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28. I think I know why.
There's no real, compelling differences between him and HRC, unfortunately. It's the same problem Obama has--as the Frontrunner, Clinton has staked out quite a bit of policy territory in her vagueness. It's hard to give people a reason to vote for you instead of a frontrunner.
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