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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:20 PM
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Could you imagine what would be said about Obama if, during debates, he said,
"You know, a 95 year old Black man came up to me and said, 'I remember the days when I couldn't vote and if I even LOOKED at a White woman I'd have been hanged. Now I have the chance to see a Black man become president in my lifetime'" or "You know, I saw a Black woman talking to her son during one of my speeches, and later she came up to me and said, 'I told my son that HE can be president one day, too, watching you speak.' I'm hoping to show that old man and that young boy that I can break that glass ceiling"?
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:21 PM
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1. A lot of people would have applauded, including me
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 01:24 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
I agree that some people would have a problem with Barack alluding to his race, but it wouldn't be universally condemned. (At least not in a Democratic primary)
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:27 PM
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9. Then maybe he should say it.
:)
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:44 PM
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19. Yes.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:21 PM
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2. I imagine he would have gotten applause.
I can't stand Obama --and I'd have applauded him for that.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:23 PM
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3. Would he simultaneously be advocating policies that actually hurt most black people?
Just trying to complete the analogy. ;)

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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:24 PM
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7. I don't understand your point.
Can you elaborate?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:29 PM
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10. He's been working for rights of minorities for over 20 years.
:eyes:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:32 PM
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12. Sheesh. Aren't analogies on the SATs any longer?
You were making a point about Hillary. The worst part of her cynical abuse of the gender card is that her pro-war, pro-NAFTA, pro-corporate policies will actually end up hurting most women in this country. But they'll have the satisfaction of knowing that for the first time in history they're being fucked over by a female president.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:44 PM
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20. Did Obama say he would abandon NAFTA?
Because it's a nice selling point and I'd certainly like to hear it.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:54 PM
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36. Funny how the topic always changes to other candidates whenever Hillary's deficiencies are mentioned
I couldn't care less about Obama right now, except for the fact that he's taking anti-Hillary votes away from more deserving candidates. If Edwards, Kucinich, Dodd and Biden drop out, I'll take a another look at him.


Now why don't you try addressing the actual criticism I raised against your pro-war, pro-NAFTA, pro-corporate candidate?


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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:48 PM
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57. She's not my candidate.
But since a contrast was implied, I asked a question about it. Where's the answer?

I'm voting for Edwards in the primary and the choice of the Democratic majority in the general.

But I admire Hillary Clinton and not consider her to be Satan.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:56 PM
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52. Here you go:
Q: Would you scrap NAFTA or fix it?
A: I would immediately call the president of Mexico, the president of Canada to try to amend NAFTA because I think that we can get labor agreements in that agreement right now. And it should reflect the basic principle that our trade agreements should not just be good for Wall Street, it should also be good for Main Street.
Source: 2007 AFL-CIO Democratic primary forum Aug 7, 2007

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Free_Trade...
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:49 PM
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58. Thanks!
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 06:50 PM by aquart
So he has no intention of scrapping NAFTA. And Hillary has said it should be amended. Seems the same.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:53 PM
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61. Sincerity counts for something...
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:23 PM
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4. Maybe you should be briefing him
It would have made the audience stand up and cheer.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:33 PM
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13. I'd love to...but I'm afraid if he said it he'd be pummeled in the media
for "playing the race card" or "now running as a Black candidate rather than just a 'change' candidate."
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:36 PM
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15. Naw, if Michelle's comments the other day didn't cause the media
to say he was "playing the race card".... nothing will.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:42 PM
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18. She's not him. n/t
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:23 PM
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5. He should have. He needs to say it.
I saw a wonderful video on his website of an boy in Africa recovering from cancer who read about Obama and was inspired by him. He says he wants to "be like him" someday.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:40 PM
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17. I wonder why the media hasn't picked up that video and played it like they do
with so many others!
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:24 PM
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6. Well, apparently only ONE 95-year-old woman came up and said that,
as she repeats it over and over. I'd believe it more if she'd show the woman saying it. Not that I don't believe Hillary, but after hearing it over and over again, I wonder if there were any other women who really said that or she is making it up.

I love that quote you came up with.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:45 PM
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21. Thanks...and I feel the same way
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 01:46 PM by jenmito
about Hillary's story. :hi: How convenient that a 95 year old woman wants to see a female president in HER lifetime (which honestly doesn't have much time left).
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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:27 PM
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8. What's your point?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:31 PM
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11. He could take advantage of his race like Hillary takes advantage of her gender.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:34 PM
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14. If you wanna frame it like it that. Sure.
But it's a non-issue.

Do you think the voters are unaware that Obama is a black man? Or that Hillary is a woman?



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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:52 PM
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22. No...
Of course they're aware. Yet Hillary keeps telling that story and gets applause every time.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:15 PM
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24. jealous?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:32 PM
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25. No. Angry about the double standard I think would occur.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:40 PM
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29. I don't think it would occur.
But I guess we'll have to just disagree.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:44 PM
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30. I can see it now...
Chris Matthews saying, "He shouldn't have done this. He brought himself down to the level of Jesse Jackson's candidacy-running as a "Black" candidate rather than the uniting candidate he was before this." And others agreeing.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:48 PM
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33. Tweety says a lot of ridiculous things.
so what?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:58 PM
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37. I think lots of people would say it.
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:38 PM
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16. I think that would have to be a black woman -
If I am not mistaken, black males got the vote just after the civil war, women in 1920?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:32 PM
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48. Then he could just say it wasn't that long ago when Black people couldn't vote.
Or something similar. I just sent a suggestion about this to his campaign, along with the suggestion that he smile once in a while during the debates.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:56 PM
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23. With all the active, politically-involved nonagenarians hooting and hollering at Hillary's
campaign stops, is 95 the new 25?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:33 PM
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26. I don't think so.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:36 PM
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28. So is anyone, other than me, surprised to hear about all these 95 years olds
who manage to get around to campaign speeches?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:45 PM
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31. I think it's just one that she keeps talking about all the time.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:59 PM
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38. I think the first time she mentioned it, she mentioned one woman in particular. But I'm
pretty sure that, in the last debate, she talked about "all the 95-year old women"
who keep coming up to her and telling her the same thing...
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:10 PM
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40. Then that's just more BS from her.
I'd like to see a list of those women, too.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:12 PM
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42. Yeah - one, I could believe. More than one? Hmm, the BSometer starts to rise.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:15 PM
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44. Yeah, but she won't get questioned on it...
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 03:16 PM by jenmito
just like she wasn't questioned at all last debate about why the 180 on licenses...Wolf just accepted her one word answer, not asking anything about plant-gate or the release of her papers, and all the THs were saying Wolf let her off easy.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:20 PM
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46. Blitzer stinks. He was blatantly unfair in everything he did at that poor-excuse-for-a-debate fiasco
I'm still fuming over it, in fact.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:30 PM
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47. I agree...
and so do many other people as well as THs. They'va all commented on the Hillary-friendly audience and softball question they gave her. It actually kept me up at night thinking about it!
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:38 PM
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49. Me, too - didn't sleep the entire night. My stomach was in knots from aggravation at
the disrespect that was shown to Kucinich and, to a lesser degree, Biden.
Imagine, standing on the stage in a nationally televised, 2-hr. long debate and
getting 5 minutes, in toto, to interact and respond? Who is Wolf Blitzer to decide
for the entire country which candidates are worth more time than others?

I know I need to get over it, but this one just sticks in my throat like a chicken bone.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:50 PM
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50. Yup, me, too...
and I read your "hobbies" and can relate. :hi:
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:25 PM
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51. Sometimes I get so caught up in things here that I keep going over my list of things to do
and, one by one, saying, "Ah, I can do that tomorrow..." right down the line.
It's fascinating and I'm learning a lot, but I wonder what the total tally is
of inches added to the hip area, per 1000 posts!!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:42 PM
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54. I understand...
"luckily," though, (not really) I'm disabled and don't have much to do besides dishes and laundry and bills and stuff. But I've learned so much about politics in these past years. Can you believe before I got interested in politics due to the Lewinsky scandal, I didn't even know Faux was a RW channel?! :D
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:47 PM
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56. I was pretty clueless when I was DU-less!!!!!!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:47 PM
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59. :-)
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 08:13 PM by jenmito
Clever. :)
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:04 PM
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60. Hehehe...
:hi:
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:34 PM
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27. I'd be thrilled if he said things like that...
Instead of acting as if he's ignorant of the debt he owes those who came before him.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:45 PM
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32. Calteacherguy said he has an ad like this on his website...
I'll check.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:52 PM
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34. Hope he does...
The truth is the truth ~ and the fact that women and blacks and Hispanics are now serious contenders in a U.S. presidential race is big positive news that we should all embrace imo, not run from.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:17 PM
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45. I couldn't find it.
:(
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:54 PM
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35. It's cute, but it's kind of pandering, don't you think?
I mean, when Jesse Jackson brought Rosa Parks in front of the Democratic convention, it was a great moment for self-back-slapping. "Here it is, the civil rights pioneer honored by the Democratic Party, gee, how tolerant and liberal we are!" And then the Party went on to ignore Jackson.

The proposed statement is in the same line. It would tell people that Obama is not really interested in being President, he just wants to make a point about how wonderful it would be for a black man to run for President. A President has to be President for all the people, and that's the basis upon which a Democratic candidate has to run. This statement would undercut it.

NOW...if he were to say something like this briefly at the convention AFTER he wins the nomination (if he does) as a prelude to explaining his specifics for returning democracy to America...fine. I would have no problem with that. But it is NOT the way he should try to get the nomination.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:01 PM
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39. That's why I asked, "Could you imagine if he said..."
Hillary does the same thing substituting "woman" for "Black person." That's why I think if he DID point out his race, as Hilary points out her gender (while saying she doesn't), it WOULD be seen negatively by some...especially in the media.
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Louis J Sheehan Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:10 PM
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41. Um
Um. Why can't he say it? I doubt very many people would be offended. Even more, it is true. -- louis J Sheehan
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:13 PM
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43. I think he'd be accused of playing the race card.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:58 PM
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53. Yup, he'd be crucified in 5 seconds flat by Hillary supporters for playing the race card.
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 05:01 PM by ClarkUSA
He's too cool to do that, though. The only card playing he does is a hand of poker.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:46 PM
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55. I agree...
So sad but true that he WOULD be crucified by "some"...
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