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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:07 AM
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NYT: "Clinton Friend’s Role Sets Off Intense Criticism of CNN and a Re-examination"
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 06:10 AM by ClarkUSA
CNN must have gotten flooded with furious emails from the netroots. Yes!

'Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton prepared for a battle with her Democratic rivals at the CNN-sponsored debate on Thursday night.
She did not have much to fear from the postdebate round table... Mr. Carville’s presence aroused the fury of rivals and bloggers.
They called it a conflict of interest and criticized CNN.

“Would it kill CNN to disclose that James Carville is a partisan Clinton supporter when talking about the presidential race?” Markos
Moulitsas wrote on his liberal blog, Daily Kos. Mr. Moulitsas drew hundreds of comments.

Tom Reynolds, a spokesman for Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico, who is also seeking the Democratic nomination, said: “What you
saw last night lacked full disclosure. The average viewer out in middle America may not know the inside-the-Beltway connection.”

The criticisms were among a series against CNN for how it managed the debate, a two-hour event in Las Vegas...Voters and
commentators wrote online about how the audience cheered and booed, the way the CNN hosts reframed audience questions
and whether it was correct to demand yes-or-no answers to complex questions...'

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/17/us/politics/17cnn.htm...

:toast:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:13 AM
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1. I know Markos means well, and maybe I'm just old.
But anyone who doesn't think "Clinton" when someone sees Carville...well, that's like seeing Fred Astaire and not thinking Ginger Rogers. Same deal with Paul Begala.

I suppose there are people out there who don't know, but they'd have to be quite young..... or very much off in the ozone during the Clinton years.

The more disclosure the merrier, I suppose!
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:19 AM
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3. My dad hasn't got a clue as to the Carville-Clinton connection.
He's not a political junkie and he's always on the go with his business interests. And you're right -- transparency in media
(and government) is good!
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 12:54 AM
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9. That was my thought. Especially among MSM watchers.
Carvell is a fixture in the MSM.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:12 AM
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13. What ozone? nt
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:17 AM
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14. Geezer turn of phrase, from back in the day! nt
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:17 AM
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2. NPR and universities should be hosting the debates.. not fascist corporate whores and flying monkeys
of the White House
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:30 AM
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4. Well, in many cases universities ARE hosting the debates.
And NPR has hosted too--but don't look at THEM as the Be All and End All--they're infested with GOP stooges these days. It's why their programming fucking sucks.

The networks are taking turns, and that's fine. Gives their news divisions something to do. It is also an interesting "compare and contrast" exercise in how each network handles the process.

The 'offense' took place in the pre and post debate chit-chat. I don't waste my time with that crap, I don't need some big fat talking head to tell me what I am going to see or what I just saw.

I'd gather, that since CNN got their ass handed to them, they won't pull that crap again if they do any more hosting. There's nothing wrong with having partisans on--in fact, they can add details that others don't know--but the old 'full disclosure' is what people have a problem with.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:47 AM
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6. The MSNBC Debate Was Stacked Against Hillary Clinton
The CNN debate evened the deck...

That being said, the shenanigans should never, never have been started...

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:39 PM
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7. Looking for fairness absent a fairness doctrine is like a needle-haystack exercise.
People simply have to use their own good judgment, and if some bastard wearing makeup and hairspray under very bright lights tries to tell you what to think, turn down the volume!
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 01:51 AM
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10. I must say the nevada debate
was the most entertaining of the two. I do not appreciate tearing at one another like that. However as this race is shaping up. it would appear to be a poker game. (winner take all of course.) and a sound strategy is to let the chip leaders go after each other. the raucousness of the Nevada crowd fueled a greater debate I think. Pa was too straight laced, numbing in comparison.
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FreeStateDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:41 AM
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5. Nothing new here, this election is rigged that's why Al Gore didn't run.
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Reno.Muse Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 12:49 AM
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8. damn, what a true statement
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 02:09 AM
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11. It wasn't a debate; it was a staged Clinton campaign event. nt
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:22 AM
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16. Yeah, kinda like those Bush townhalls.
Mark Penn takes a page out of the Republican handbook again. F*ck the Clintons!
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:24 AM
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17. You Would Do Both Of Them
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:26 AM
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18. I'd Say That Too If My Candidate Got Pimp Slapped
DSB
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 02:14 AM
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12. Did Daily Kos even watch the coverage
I did and CNN clearly stated that Carvelle was a past adviser of President Clinton.

(PS up until recently I could not stand Hillary - however the more I read about her and they way some people are attacking her Im starting to change my mind.)
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:19 AM
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15. I watched for over an hour and I did not hear any disclaimers from Carville or Cooper.
I was waiting for Gergen to disclose that he used to work under the Clintons, too.

Nothing.
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