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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:01 AM
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Salt Lake City Mayor says "We won't take it anymore!"
I found the following in my e-mail inbox today from a member of Democracy For America, and I thought it was worth reading and sharing:



October 27, 2007 City & County Building Salt Lake City, Utah

Address by Mayor Ross C. "Rocky" Anderson

Today, as we come together once again in this great city, we raise our voices in unison to say to President Bush, to Vice President
Cheney, to other members of the Bush Administration (past and
present), to a majority of Congress, including Utah's entire
congressional delegation, and to much of the mainstream media: "You have failed us miserably and we won't take it any more."

While we had every reason to expect far more of you, you have been pompous, greedy, cruel, and incompetent as you have led this great nation to a moral, military, and national security abyss." "You have breached trust with the American people in the most egregious ways. you have utterly failed in the performance of your jobs. You have undermined our Constitution, permitted the violation of the most
fundamental treaty obligations, and betrayed the rule of law.

You have engaged in, or permitted, heinous human rights abuses of the sort never before countenanced in our nation's history as a matter of official policy. You have sent American men and women to kill and be killed on the basis of lies, on the basis of shifting justifications, without competent leadership, and without even a coherent plan for this monumental blunder.

We are here to tell you: We won't take it any more!

You have acted in direct contravention of values that we, as
Americans who love our country, hold dear. You have deceived us in the most cynical, outrageous ways. You have undermined, or allowed the undermining of, our constitutional system of checks and balances among the three presumed co-equal branches of government. You have helped lead our nation to the brink of fascism, of a dictatorship contemptuous of our nation's treaty obligations, federal statutory law, our Constitution, and the rule of law.

Because of you, and because of your jingoistic false 'patriotism,'
our world is far more dangerous, our nation is far more despised, and the threat of terrorism is far greater than ever before. It has been absolutely astounding how you have committed the most horrendous acts, causing such needless tragedy in the lives of millions of people, yet you wear your so-called religion on your sleeves, asserting your God-is-on-my-side nonsense - when what you have done flies in the face of any religious or humanitarian tradition. Your hypocrisy is mind-boggling - and disgraceful.

What part of "Thou shalt not kill" do you not understand? What part of the "Golden rule" do you not understand? What part of "be honest," "be responsible," and "be accountable" don't you understand? What part of "Blessed are the peacekeepers" do you not understand?

Because of you, hundreds of thousands of people have been killed, many thousands of people have suffered horrendous lifetime injuries, and millions have been run off from their homes. For the sake of our nation, for the sake of our children, and for the sake of our brothers and sisters around the world, we are morally compelled to say, as loudly as we can, 'We won't take it any more!' "

As United States agents kidnap, disappear, and torture human beings around the world, you justify, you deceive, and you cover up. We find what you have done to men, women and children, and to the good name and reputation of the United States, so appalling, so unconscionable, and so outrageous as to compel us to call upon you to step aside and allow other men and women who are competent, true to our nation's values, and with high moral principles to stand in your places - for the good of our nation, for the good of our children, and for the good of our world.

In the case of the President and Vice President, this means
impeachment and removal from office, without any further delay from a complacent, complicit Congress, the Democratic majority of which cares more about political gain in 2008 than it does about the vindication of our Constitution, the rule of law, and democratic accountability.It means the election of people as President and Vice President who, unlike most of the presidential candidates from both major parties, have not aided and abetted in the perpetration of the illegal, tragic, devastating invasion and occupation of Iraq. And it means the election of people as President and Vice President who will commit to return our nation to the moral and strategic imperative of refraining from torturing human beings.

In the case of the majority of Congress, it means electing people who are diligent enough to learn the facts, including reading available National Intelligence Estimates, before voting to go to war. It means electing to Congress men and women who will jealously guard Congress's sole prerogative to declare war. It means electing to Congress men and women who will not submit like vapid lap dogs to presidential requests for blank checks to engage in so-called preemptive wars, for legislation permitting warrantless wiretapping of communications involving US citizens, and for dangerous, irresponsible, saber-rattling legislation like the recent Kyl- Lieberman amendment.

We must avoid the trap of focusing the blame solely upon President Bush and Vice-President Cheney. This is not just about a few people who have wronged our country - and the world. They were enabled by members of both parties in Congress, they were enabled by the pathetic mainstream news media, and, ultimately, they have been enabled by the American people - 40% of whom are so ill-informed they still think Iraq was behind the 9/11 attacks - a people who know and care more about baseball statistics and which drunken starlets are
wearing underwear than they know and care about the atrocities being committed every single day in our name by a government for which we need to take responsibility.

As loyal Americans, without regard to political partisanship -- as
veterans, as teachers, as religious leaders, as working men and
women, as students, as professionals, as businesspeople, as public servants, as retirees, as people of all ages, races, ethnic origins, sexual orientations, and faiths -- we are here to say to the Bush administration, to the majority of Congress, and to the mainstream media: "You have violated your solemn responsibilities. You have undermined our democracy, spat upon our Constitution, and engaged in outrageous, despicable acts. You have brought our nation to a point of immorality, inhumanity, and illegality of immense, tragic, unprecedented proportions."

But we will live up to our responsibilities as citizens, as brothers
and sisters of those who have suffered as a result of the imperial
bullying of the United States government, and as moral actors who must take a stand: And we will, and must, mean it when we say 'We won't take it any more.

If we want principled, courageous elected officials, we need to be principled, courageous, and tenacious ourselves. History has
demonstrated that our elected officials are not the leaders - the
leadership has to come from us. If we don't insist, if we don't
persist, then we are not living up to our responsibilities as
citizens in a democracy - and our responsibilities as moral human beings. If we remain silent, we signal to Congress and the Bush administration - and to candidates running for office - and to the world - that we support the status quo.

Silence is complicity. Only by standing up for what's right and never letting down can we say we are doing our part. Our government, on the basis of a campaign we now know was entirely fraudulent, attacked and militarily occupied a nation that posed no danger to the United States. Our government, acting in our name, has caused immense, unjustified death and destruction.

It all started five years ago, yet where have we, the American
people, been? At this point, we are responsible. We get together once in a while at demonstrations and complain about Bush and Cheney, about Congress, and about the pathetic news media. We point fingers and yell a lot. Then most people politely go away until another demonstration a few months later.

How many people can honestly say they have spent as much time learning about and opposing the outrages of the Bush administration as they have spent watching sports or mindless television programs during the past five years? Escapist, time-sapping sports and insipid entertainment have indeed become the opiate of the masses. Why is this country so sound asleep? Why do we abide what is happening to our nation, to our Constitution, to the cause of peace and international law and order? Why are we not doing all in our power to put an end to this madness?

We should be in the streets regularly and students should be raising hell on our campuses. We should be making it clear in every way possible that apologies or convoluted, disingenuous explanations just don't cut it when presidential candidates and so many others voted to authorize George Bush and his neo-con buddies to send American men and women to attack and occupy Iraq.

Let's awaken, and wake up the country by committing here and now to do all each of us can to take our nation back. Let them hear us across the country, as we ask others to join us: "We won't take it any more!"

I implore you: Draw a line. Figure out exactly where your own moral breaking point is. How much will you put up with before you say "No more" and mean it?

I have drawn my line as a matter of simple personal morality: I
cannot, and will not, support any candidate who has voted to fund the atrocities in Iraq. I cannot, and will not, support any candidate who will not commit to remove all US troops, as soon as possible, from Iraq. I cannot, and will not, support any candidate who has supported legislation that takes us one step closer to attacking Iran. I cannot, and will not, support any candidate who has not fought to stop the kidnapping, disappearances, and torture being carried on in our name.

If we expect our nation's elected officials to take us seriously, let
us send a powerful message they cannot misunderstand. Let them know we really do have our moral breaking point. Let them know we have rawn a bright line. Let them know they cannot take our support for granted - that, regardless of their party and regardless of other political considerations, they will not have our support if they cannot provide, and have not provided, principled leadership.

The people of this nation may have been far too quiet for five years, but let us pledge that we won't let it go on one more day - that we will do all we can to put an end to the illegalities, the moral degradation, and the disintegration of our nation's reputation in the world.

Let us be unified in drawing the line - in declaring that we do have a moral breaking point. Let us insist, together, in supporting our troops and in gratitude for the freedoms for which our veterans gave so much, that we bring our troops home from Iraq, that we return our government to a constitutional democracy, and that we commit to honoring the fundamental principles of human rights.

In defense of our country, in defense of our Constitution, in defense of our shared values as Americans - and as moral human beings - we declare today that we will fight in every way possible to stop the insanity, stop the continued military occupation of Iraq, and stop the moral depravity reflected by the kidnapping, disappearing, and torture of people around the world.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:03 AM
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1. Lovely fellow, that Rocky.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:21 AM
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2. Sing it, Rocky!
K&R
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:25 AM
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3. Kicketykicketykicketykick and Recommend
:kick:
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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:29 AM
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4. Wow - very cool. n/t
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:31 AM
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5. I thought so - I felt much better after reading it. n/t
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:32 AM
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6. beautiful
i was just at a bar where a loudmouth was saying that all politicians are corrupt and liars. this person does nothing but spout ignorant memes, so thanks for your post. i sent her a copy, and can't to hear how she will fit this in her narrow worldview.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:32 AM
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7. beautiful
i was just at a bar where a loudmouth was saying that all politicians are corrupt and liars. this person does nothing but spout ignorant memes, so thanks for your post. i sent her a copy, and can't to hear how she will fit this in her narrow worldview.
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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:35 AM
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8. The best thing I have heard from someone in politics in a long time
I haven't wanted to take this stuff. I hand out 'deception dollars' and have gotten the new Conception Dollars, (Just arrived Friday) to hand out as well. I have to work to pay the bills, but I wear my Impeach Cheney hat and Veterans for Peace T shirt. I think "The People" understand, it is 'the media' that reports otherwise...
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:01 PM
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14. In a perfect world, all candidates for President would be saying the same things.
What are "Conception Dollars"?
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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:42 PM
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15. Conception Dollar link
http://www.communitycurrency.org/conception.html
I would post the picture too, but still haven't learned that trick on a Mac.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 03:12 PM
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19. Thanks! Very cool $4 bill. :) n/t
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:57 AM
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9. Thanks for that!
If I remembercorrectly there were another couple cities in the past few months, going very strongly on the record about this mess. I hope it's a trend.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 03:17 AM
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10. Yes!
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 03:54 AM
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11. Wow. Just wow.
Howard Beale lives.
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 05:41 AM
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12. Excellent. You should send him my frog....
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 10:50 AM
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13. If I just had his e-mail address, I could say:
Edited on Mon Nov-12-07 11:08 AM by Seabiscuit
"DONE!" :spray:

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Mrspeeker Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:45 PM
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16. wow great letter
Salt lake city is ok in my book hehe
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 03:10 PM
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17. K&R!
I'm e-mailing this to everyone I know!

Upon thinking, there's really only one candidate who fits the bill.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 03:13 PM
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21. Very true.
And the Mayor of Salt Lake City is undoubtedly a supporter by now.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 03:10 PM
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18. "You have failed us miserably and we won't take it any more." Wow!
:applause:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 03:12 PM
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20. video
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 03:16 PM
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22. k&r

:kick:
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 03:27 PM
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23. Rocky speaks for me!!!
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:08 PM
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24. this speech should be considered
one of the greatest speeches ever given. it gave me goosebumps just to read it. bless Rocky...he's the man!!!
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:14 PM
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25. "They were enabled by members of both parties in Congress"
This letter speaks for me. Why are not all our candidates speaking like this? Why are not all our Representatives? This is the mayor of SALT LAKE CITY for the goddess sake! If he has the political courage to speak the truth, why don't the rest of them?

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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:19 PM
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26. Well, for one...
the Washington lobbyists aren't banging on his door day in and day out and lining his pockets with their filthy lucre.

This Mayor sounds like he's his own man, owned by no one but himself.
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Pierre.Suave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:30 PM
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27. Absolutely awesome
truly awesome.

I love it.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:36 PM
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28. k&r n/t
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:55 PM
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29. I missed the part about Paper Ballots...
without them...nothing.
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:56 PM
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30. A MUST READ! amen.
Big K & R!
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 05:27 PM
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31. K & R
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 05:32 PM
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32. Isn't Rocky great? -nt
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 05:38 PM
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33. One of my favorite parts
"How many people can honestly say they have spent as much time learning about and opposing the outrages of the Bush administration as they have spent watching sports or mindless television programs during the past five years? Escapist, time-sapping sports and insipid entertainment have indeed become the opiate of the masses."

Boy, is that not the truth?
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RebelSansCause Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 05:39 PM
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34. this is amazing i fully support and endorse this letter, down with the bush co. regime. n/t
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 06:06 PM
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35. Rocky: YOU ROCK!
:yourock:


Yup, * & Co, the fundies, the freepers, the rethuglicans and far too many in Congress have not a clue what The Golden Rule is all about and that's the main reason why I picked it as my user name.

To be as in your face towards them as I could be without using the "F" word!
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 06:09 PM
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36. Rocky is presidential material
It's a shame he's in Utah, where statewide office and a step up the ladder is probably impossible. His stronghold is in one place: urban SLC. It's too damn bad - he's one of the best in our party.
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onesys01 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 07:00 PM
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44. Not only that, he's the worst mayor we've ever had.
Rocky as president, kiss your wallet, your freedoms and your sanity goodbye.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 07:19 PM
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47. Are you a Democrat? -nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 08:36 PM
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51. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 06:21 PM
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37. Very good but much too long!
Lot's of people won't finish reading it. But they will still get the important message. K & R
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 06:22 PM
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39. Keep in mind it was actually a speech -nt
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 06:21 PM
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38. In the words of Butch Cassidy (or was it Sundance?),
Who IS that guy?

I didn't know they grew 'em like that in Utah.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 06:33 PM
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40. And in Utah! Now there is a man I could vote for over and over.
Would he run for the Senate?
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 06:47 PM
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41. I'm afraid Rocky would get mauled in a statewide race
He does well in urban Salt Lake City, but every other county in Utah would be a wipeout. This is unfortunate, as Rocky Anderson is presidential material in my opinion.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 08:04 PM
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49. He's a Democratic mayor in a red state.
It does demonstrate that people in urban areas tend to be more educated and attuned to the day's events around the world, even in Utah.
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roxnev Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 06:54 PM
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42. I sent the speech
To both Senators Harry Reid and John Ensign and my Representative Shelly Berkly also Nance Pelosi
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onesys01 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 06:58 PM
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43. Be aware, many of us do not believe the same way as Rocky and are ASHAMED of him.
I for one am sick of Rocky pretending to speak for all of our community on a national level. His constant attention to matters unrelated to his office and the business of this city have left us with a rampant homeless issue, and crime through the roof. It will be a pleasant day when he is replaced with a man that will actually pretend at least to be our mayor and pretend to handle the business of the local people that elected him. I don't care his personal views, just don't do it on my dime and with my taxes. So far, that simple request has failed to connect with him.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 07:07 PM
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45. Thanks, we're now aware. It doesn't change anything in this thread.
Obviously, many of us liked his speech.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 09:28 PM
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54. Shall we welcome Mr./Ms. "Undeclared Gender" from nowhere in particular to DU?
The one without any bio information whatsoever who began posting today with four posts to his/her credit, half of them in this thread?

Surely, he/she/it has reams of documentation in support of the claim that Rocky has failed to do his job as mayor and has personally caused "rampant homeless issues" and "crime through the roof" in Salt Lake City? And that all of this in turn has been caused by this one speech?

Surely, he/she/it has some basis in reality for claiming that "many of us... are ASHAMED of him." "Us" as in Salt Lake City residents, or "us" as in posters at a different website, where no one "believes the same way as Rocky"?
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Sam Ervin jret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 07:07 PM
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46. In the words of today's generation; "Like ya, What'a we been tellin' ya. DUH."
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Oldenuff Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 07:37 PM
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48. WOW!

He sure nailed that one.Nothing more need be said.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 08:25 PM
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50. Who doesn't LOVE Rocky Anderson????
:loveya:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 08:39 PM
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52. Round two, for Rocky!
If I recall, he was equally as heated and outspoken about impeachment a year or two ago.

YAY! He may be weird, but he's right on the money.
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 09:23 PM
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53. Anderson wrote a great endorsement of Bill Richardson in The Nation
He was one of the first endorsements Richardson received early in his campaign and wrote this article a few days ago.

The positive choice is Bill Richardson, the candidate who has the greatest depth of experience, as a member of Congress, UN ambassador, Energy Secretary and governor of New Mexico. Richardson has for years been an inspiring leader in the fight against global warming. He recently signed into law a bill that requires New Mexico utilities to quadruple their use of renewable energy. Armed with the most aggressive plan to gain energy independence and reduce the emission of greenhouse gases, Richardson would provide the crucial environmental leadership sorely lacking in the United States.

Bill Richardson is smart, likable and dedicated to the best of progressive principles. He would allow working families and small businesses to purchase healthcare coverage through the same plan enjoyed by members of Congress. He is the only candidate who has declared that acceptance of Roe v. Wade as established law will be a necessary condition for his Supreme Court nominees. While in Congress, he voted against, and continues to oppose, the military's disrespectful and discriminatory "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy. He proudly stands for equal legal rights for all families, including same-sex couples.

The kidnapping, disappearing and torture of people around the world, a trademark of the human-rights-abusing Bush Administration, will stand as one of our nation's most immense moral disgraces. As President, Bill Richardson will put an end to these abhorrent practices and help restore our moral standing among nations.

Bill Richardson, a proven consensus-builder, has scored significant diplomatic successes. He has the broadest experience and a genuine commitment to fundamental Democratic values. He is, indeed, on our side of the line, and he will be a President who will make us proud.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 10:20 PM
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55. shout loud and long
IMPEACH!!
anyone from Atlanta here? looking for more places to shout loud.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fCutvXccFlA

k&r
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ThingsGottaChange Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 10:21 PM
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56. Why, oh, why is he not running in 2008??????
I LOVE THIS MAN!
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 10:49 PM
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57. When was the last time a Mayor ran for President? OTOH, why aren't the Dem candidates
more like him?
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 11:21 PM
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59. The last time a Mayor ran for President?
Um, 2007? Rudy Giuliani?
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 09:24 AM
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61. Uh, ya... hmmmm... that's a "Mayor"???
:rofl:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 11:20 PM
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58. I liked his "line in the sand" . . . NO MORE $$$ FOR IRAQ . . .!!!!
I also think that we have to pressure candidates not only on this issue ---

money from the defense industry ---


Let's not overlook that --- !!!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 11:43 PM
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60. It is a little hard to believe that Bush/Cheney will have gotten away with so many crimes
Karl Rove, "simply lie and deny..."
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Bichonpups Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:15 AM
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62. Thanks for saying what so many of us are feeling ..
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