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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:28 AM
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Where would I be without the sixties?
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 10:22 AM by dsc
Our school has a decade day as part of its Homecoming celebration. The teachers got to choose the decade they went as. I chose the 60's. Part of it was that it was easy for me. Jeans, sandals, and a tie die shirt formed the basis of the outfit with a pendant for the peace symbol. Finally a sign stating make math not war. But it wasn't just ease. It was also a bit of homage.

It was shortly after I was seen at pride, itself a creation of the 60's, so of course I heard the yelled out gay power in my third period class. But, she did have a point. I have worked in schools that have been either integrated or all black my entire 's professional career. I have black coworkers, bosses, friends, and students. None of which I would have had but for the 1960's. My professional life would be utterly different, but for the 1960's. But so would my personal life. As a gay man, before the 1960's I couldn't get licenced as a teacher in many states. I would have to, as a matter of necessity, be totally closeted. I surely would have been fired for being seen at Pride or a gay bar. Now, I have seen ENDA, albeit without transexual protections, pass the US House. That wouldn't have happened without the 1960's. That wouldn't have happened without the seeds planted by the cultural warriors of the left.

But the work of the 1960's isn't done. I teach two 1A classes, the lowest math my school offers, and one section of AP Stats, one of the highest. My racial breakdown. The 1A's have about 40 students total. I have three white students in those classes. 3 out of 40, about 7.5%; the rest of the students are hispanic and black. My AP Stats class has 11 students, 8 white and 3 Asian. No black students and one hispanic ( a foreign student from Argentina). This in a school with a black principal, a math department with a black chair, and a majority of black math teachers. The work of the 1960's isn't done. Not until I walk into an AP Stats class and see people who look more like my 1A's. And not until they can see a teacher with a wedding ring on his finger and a picture of his husband on his desk and think it is as normal as any other married teacher. Then, and only then, should the 1960's be over. Until then, I sincerely hope the cultural warriors of the 1960's don't get over themselves. My life wouldn't have been possible in the 1950's, the 1960's made all the difference, but not enough. I am proud to say I am a child of the 1960's even if not in the way we usually use the term.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:30 AM
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1. The early 70s were more like the 60s than the 60s were. Notice in the films...
of the Chicago convention that most of the rock throwers are wearing button down oxford shirts with long sideburns.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:35 AM
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2. the 1970's were also where gay rights took off
but the 1960's planted those seeds.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:48 AM
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3. Pleased to k & r, because
I agree with you completely.

The best teacher/leader/admin/superintendent I've ever known mentored me in my early 20s and supported my efforts to become a teacher. She was my supervisor in various capacities until she finally became superintendent of another district.

While she wasn't in the closet, she had to be very careful, and very private. She lived 50 miles away from where she worked, didn't take phone calls from home, and didn't speak about her personal life except among those she trusted. Invariably, any staff she worked with loved her so much that she could be herself, and her partner often attended staff parties, etc., with her.

In our red/conservative/fundie community and district, this was amazing. During her 20 years in our district, there were a few attempts to "out" her in the community, to cause an uproar and have her removed. They weren't successful, because there was an army of people she'd worked with who truly loved and respected her, and who stood with her when necessary.

It shouldn't have been necessary.

At least she was partly "out," though. The men? The male teachers, especially elementary teachers, could NEVER come out. Ever, if they wanted to keep their jobs.

We still have a long way to go.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:06 AM
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4. Thanks.
Thanks for this, you said it well. You inspire me to go on, your courage in the face of bigotry gives me strength.


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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:51 AM
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8. thank you but Oh please
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 11:05 AM by dsc
I think of what it had to be like for my uncle and well, pish posh. People like you who fight the fight for us inspire me, far from me inspiring anyone.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:13 PM
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11. Wanna fight? ;)
Let us come together and inspire each other. Sound good? Every single person who stands up to bigotry is an inspiration, you included. :hug:
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133724 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:26 AM
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5. I don't remember the 60's and I was there (i think)
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 07:39 PM
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21. Is it all just a psychedelic blur??? nt
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:48 AM
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6. Without 'the 60s' could we have a female and black being seriously considered for President?
I think not.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:50 AM
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7. and let's not forget a Hispanic male
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 11:05 AM
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10. Good point!
Considering my tag line!
:dem:
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 11:04 AM
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9. K&R
It makes me sick when people belittle the sacrifices and accomplishments of those who grew up in that era, particularly while they enjoy the fruits those people fought so hard for.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:39 PM
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12. The Music Allowed Me
to start a very nice career in the record business. I started out working at Peaches and ended up as marketing director for a large chain of retail stores. Then on to radio, which I didn't like much. Today there is no record biz to speak of, but if there were, there would be no way this high school grad only could do the same thing without a "marketing degree". Several people I knew went on to work for record labels and it all started at the Peaches store in Denver.

Not to mention on my tiny salary - I was able to have my own apt and survive quite nicely. That is impossible now - my little apt I had then, probably rents for $1000.00 per month.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:49 PM
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13. I totally agree, and thanks for writing and posting this!
I was in my early 20s in the 1960s, and remember it all vividly. It was the most extraordinary series of human liberations that has ever occurred, in such a short space of time, and, really, who knows how/why that happened. I go back and forth, at times thinking that it was an intervention from the spirit world, that just suddenly awakened many people all at once, and at other times, that perhaps it was a function of human evolution creating what human beings needed for our survival--the ideas, talents and full creative energies of many different people, unimprisoned by bigotry and convention. There have been explosions of creativity and progress at other times in human history, and, of course, when we look back--through the written history and other means (art work, etc.)--we tend to telescope the time scale of changes, and think of them as sudden, when they were not really. A comparable age might be the Golden Age of Greece, which lasted only 50 years. But in the '60s, we're talking about a FIVE YEAR PERIOD, 1967 to 1972--or, at most, a 10 year period (1965 to 1975)--during which it SUDDENLY became UNTHINKABLE to be having "whites only" drinking fountains in the south, and denial of voting rights, and other horrors that, prior to mid-1960s, were quietly accepted as NORMAL, and during which a topic that, in my youth, did not even have a WORD that could be spoken in polite society (homosexuality)--"the love that dare not speak its name" (Oscar Wilde, if I recall correctly), emerged from the ruins of Greek and British civilization and was brought to the consciousness of society in general as just another way for humans to BE (or was well on its way to that status), and women...oh my...I can chronicle the changes for women in one year: 1963 to 1964. One year, I was in bra, girdle, nylon stockings with seams up the back that had to be kept straight, three inch high (or higher) pointed high heels, white gloves, starch-sprayed bouffant hairdo, lipstick, eye makeup and other beautifications that took hours of application and constant renewal, shaved legs and armpits, and on and on, and it's not that these things were good or bad, it's that you had NO CHOICE. You were not a person; you were a presentation--and the best thing you could imagine for your life was to be able to help your husband to do well in HIS career. 1963. And the next year: all was choice.

Maybe it was the JFK assassination (Nov. '63). Or the Beatles (shortly after that--April '64) I don't know. But SOMETHING happened. It took only a few years, then, for open minds to begin applying themselves to the unlimited possibilities of what it meant to be a human being.

How did this happen--so suddenly--to a whole generation? You tell me. Another precedent that comes to mind is the Roaring 20s--the "flapper" era, in which women rebelled against the very severe strictures of Victorian and Edwardian society (and fashions), and some progress was also made (or begun) on black human and civil rights, and labor rights. It was a short period, less than a decade. However, it was sandwiched between two horrendous wars--maybe related to them (massive blood sacrifice releasing human creative energies? I don't know, it's a thought)--and ended with the Great Depression. It was short-lived, while the huge advances of the 1960s have lasted for more than forty years, and reversal of them seems unimaginable. Not that the fascists aren't trying. But I think one of their problems is that they are not sincere. The greedbags and mass murderers and torturers of the Bush Junta are not "conservative." They are global corporate predators, who only mouth socially fascist ideas, and use "Christian values" or "family values," for purposes of looting everybody. Thus, what might be a rightwing social regression is short-circuited. The 1920s were in some ways precursor to the 1960s, but the changes in the 1960s were much, much bigger and more profound. These Bushite hypocrites cannot reverse them. I don't know what could, except maybe the total collapse of western civilization (--which the Bushites seem to be working hard to achieve, whether by bankruptcy or global warming, or both).

I haven't even mentioned Vietnam yet. This was another enormous leap of consciousness. There are certainly precedents for society's revulsion at a pointless war (a major cause of the fall of the Tsar in Russia), but I don't think there has ever been such a massive revolt by one generation against its elders, on this issue. To the previous generation, it was "unmanly" not to offer yourself up as cannon fodder, for whatever purpose your elders were agreed upon. When the rebellion began, it was like a civil war between fathers and sons, and young women were also involved, in this sudden revulsion at the idea that human beings should be forced to kill, or be put in harm's way, for an abstract notion like "anti-communism." What had the Vietnamese done to harm us? Nothing! It stung the political establishment hard, and terrified the "military-industrial" complex ("make love, not war!"--what if THAT were to catch on?! horrors!), and, if we had been a smarter, or wiser, generation, we would have taken the opportunity to dismantle the war machine, then and there.

That's what should have been done. But we were too young to realize it, or accomplish it, and the war industry had great reserves of power and entrenchment to protect itself with. The upshot of that failure, forty years later, is the hijacking of the U.S. military for a corporate resource war, and the bankrupting of the U.S. This was an appalling failure of my generation. And it was an appalling failure of the generation just before ours not to realize that the Vietnam War was not WW II. It was not a righteous war. It was a horrible genocide--in which two million Southeast Asians were slaughtered--for what? For wanting a better life! And 55,000 U.S. soldiers were killed--in a monstrous act of repression, both at home and in Southeast Asia. A military Draft, in the hands of war profiteers and global corporate predators, is SLAVERY of the worst kind. Slavery and tyranny! The conscription going on today, without a Draft, is yet worse, because it is disguised.

The Vietnam War was why, in February 2003, just before the invasion of Iraq, 56% of the American people already knew it was wrong, and opposed it. (All polls show this.) 56%! The PEOPLE had "learned the lessons of Vietnam." But the war profiteers were bound and determined to have their looting expedition anyway, and have rigged the voting machines to keep it going. (They did it at the same time, actually--the Iraq War Resolution and the Rigged Voting Machines Act--aka the "Help America Vote Act." October 2002. It was the latter bill that WAS the fascist coup.)

1967. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. 1972. Watergate (although we didn't know it quite yet--Nixon resigned in 1973). Five years--in which American society, and western civilization, were changed forever, it is to be hoped. Never to return to "the closet," never to return to state-sponsored racial segregation and bigotry, never to return to the Barbie Doll concept of women that we were all forced to live "up" to. But war may be the hardest of all fascist prisons to break out of. It seems so. We might as well be the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay, for all the power we have to stop this war machine. We pay for it. But it isn't ours. And we really shouldn't congratulate ourselves on any achievements of the 1960s, until we restore our democratic power over the U.S. military, our tax dollars and our politicians.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:42 PM
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16. "series of human liberations"
Liberation is not finished. We need another. Great post. Thanks.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 07:16 PM
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19. True! And the next one needs to be--and will be--economic!
I was reading something the other day--can't recall what it was--oh, it's coming back to me--about young women factory workers way back in the mid-19th century on the east coast, who believed that working for wages was slavery, and well nigh to prostitution. Chomsky, I think. Yeah, his interview about when the Bolivarian Revolution happening in South America is going to happen HERE (--at www.venezuelanalysis.com). Workers should own the workshop! Why should others be profiting from their labor? We should all OWN part of what we are contributing to, with our work. Our wages are what we get after all the profit has been creamed off by the rich, and the only reasons they can do this are that they have excess money and property to begin with, or banks and financiers favor them with credit, and won't loan the poor the means to start businesses. Of course now the whole thing is totally out of control, where the rich own EVERYTHING, including grabbing big pieces of the COMMON property that we all should be owning, and have paid for with our taxes, and including owning and controlling our very voting system with 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code in all the electronic voting machines that WE pay THEM billions of our tax dollars for!

Everything is upside down and backwards, and inside out, like "Alice in Wonderland," as our sons and daughters march off to a corporate resource war, and don't get decent pay for multiple tours, while WE pay billions of our tax dollars to PRIVATE mercenaries for those extra little things that the Bush Cartel needs done, that our soldiers are not good enough for, or wouldn't do, because they are illegal and cruel. And, once we got labor unions and labor protections in place--through the sweat and blood and tears and deaths of union organizers--guess what? ...all the jobs get off-shored to sweatshops where often young, vulnerable people get shit wages and have no rights at all.

Oh, we have much work to do on the NEXT liberation! Yes, we do!

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The Chomsky piece: http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/2659
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:53 PM
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14. Damn hippies!
:hippie: :hippie: :hippie: :hippie: :hippie:



;)
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:07 PM
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15. It's sad how so many don't understand the profound changes our culture went through
When I remember my childhood, I'm amazed at how different it was.

I remember when I was a teenager, a female friend of mine told that she had gotten very drunk and was gang-raped while she was passed out. There was absolutely no chance of prosecuting the perps. In those days, it was considered her fault for getting drunk.

When I was a kid, the only black people you ever saw walk down the street were cleaning ladies. Anyone else was given a beating that would send them to the hospital.

The house across the street from me, which was on sale, was fire bombed because the realtor showed the house to a black couple. The realtor's office was fire bombed several times.

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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:48 PM
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18. It still amazes me to think that my town's schools were still segregated when I was born
and I am not even close to old.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 11:50 PM
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25. Exactly
It's been a while since I've been a kid, but I'm not an old man either. The changes we've seen
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 12:11 AM
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26. I have a 95 year old grandmother
and the changes she has seen are so amazing but I think if I make it to merely 70 I will end up seeing more.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 01:09 AM
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27. God bless her
I come from a fairly short lived family. Bad genes.

Our parents and grandparents saw us rise from adequecy to luxury, and while technology did change their lives by making many formerly difficult tasks easy, those changes were not as profound as the ones we're seeing today in all sorts of areas like medicine, computer,etc. It's about more than consumerism these days
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 03:19 PM
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17. RIGHT fucking ON. And thank you for your work and dedication.
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Archon Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 07:32 PM
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20. *Facepalm*
The 60s were overrated people! The changes were going on before the 60s and more gradually. Without the radicals of the 60s/70s causing a conservative backlash we'd probably have legal marijuana, civil unions being nationwide, national healthcare, abortion legal and accepted and a more secular nation. I don't see a short burst of revolutionary change as worth a strong conservative backlash which has more or less frozen us in 1970 attitudes about everything besides homosexuality(and to a limited extent race). Also the music of the 60s sucked.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 07:47 PM
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22. Thanks for your poignant post...
All of us owe a debt to the 60s in so many ways ~ it's a little disheartening to hear people taking it for granted. And it's not just Obama; lots of young women today haven't a clue what other women went through so that they could be where they are.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 07:59 PM
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23. sadly I think that is common
Often younger gays don't think of what sacrifices came before them either.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:34 PM
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24. I think part of the problem is that the other side succeeded in...
...censoring people about it because of the focus on sex and drugs. The story needs to be retold.
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