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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:27 PM
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AN APPEAL TO BARACK OBAMA By Tom Hayden
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 07:00 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
This post is a recommendation and pointer to David Zephyr's remarkable post in GD
that is touching and well worth the read.
You should just go right to his post and read it (and recommend it) > > >

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2248793

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I've excerpted a very small part of Zephyr's post--the opening part of "Tom Hayden's appeal to Barack Obama"--here because it gets into a number of points that have been hotly debated in GD: Politics recently... but it's best to skip this excerpt altogether and go right to Zephyr's post and read the whole thing.
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AN APPEAL TO BARACK OBAMA
By Tom Hayden

“The Democrats have been stuck in the arguments of Vietnam, which means that either you’re a Scoop Jackson Democrat or you’re a Tom Hayden Democrat and you’re suspicious of any military action. And that’s just not my framework.” – Sen. Barack Obama


Barack, I thought Hillary Clinton was known as the Great Triangulator, but you are learning well. The problem with setting up false polarities to position yourself in the “center”, however, is that it’s unproductive both politically and intellectually.

Politically, it is a mistake because there last time I looked there were a whole lot more “Tom Hayden Democrats” voting in the California primary and, I suspect, around the country, than “‘Scoop’ Jackson Democrats.” In fact, they are your greatest potential base, aside from African-American voters, in a multi-candidate primary.

More disturbing is what happens to the mind by setting up these polarities. To take a “centrist” position, one calculates the equal distance between two “extremes.” It doesn’t matter if one “extreme” is closer to the truth. All that matters is achieving the equidistance. This means the presumably “extreme” view is prevented from having a fair hearing, which would require abandoning the imaginary center. And it invites the “extreme” to become more “extreme” in order to pull the candidate’s thinking in a more progressive direction. The process of substantive thinking is corroded by the priority of political positioning.

I have been enthused by the crowds you draw, by the excitement you instill in my son and daughter-in-law, by the seeds of inspiration you plant in our seven-year old kid. I love the alternative American narrative you weave on the stump, one in which once-radical social movements ultimately create a better America step by step. I very much respect your senior advisers like David Axelrod, who figured out a way to elect Harold Washington mayor of Chicago. You are a truly global figure in this age of globalization.

But as the months wear on, I see a problem of the potential being squandered. Hillary Clinton already occupies the political center. John Edwards holds the populist labor/left. And that leaves you with a transcendent vision in search of a constituency...
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:30 PM
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1. Hayden doesn't get it.
Obama explicitly rejects the notion that politicians should split the difference between extreme poles.

His point was that simple either/or categories are dumb when it comes to policy approaches.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:02 PM
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3. Tom Hayden : A prawn of KKKarl!
A neo-con that has been working undercover for years, just waiting for his moment to unmask his real feelings.

Fascist pig!
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:46 PM
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18. Are we talking about two different people?
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:02 AM
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22. A "prawn?"
I'm sure Tom Hayden doesn't want to be compared to a giant shrimp!

:sarcasm:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:13 PM
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6. Hayden has forgotten more than Obama'll ever "get"
Obama's evident ignorance of so much about so much is appalling.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:43 PM
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17. you do seem to protest obama quite a bit! n/t
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:25 PM
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8. So he's a "uniter not a divider" eh?
n/t
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:36 PM
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2. They Are All Politicians
What is troubling is that only Hillary gets bashed for it... The only Dem that speaks unvarnished truth is Dennis Kucinich and that is because he has no chance of winning...
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:09 PM
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5. It would be fascinating to know what they all really believe
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:07 PM
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4. Hayden is completely wrong on this. Obama's whole point is we need to stand up for our values
and principles, without compromise.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:27 PM
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9. Then why do his actions show he has done just the opposite?
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 10:29 PM by ruggerson
n/t
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:41 PM
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12. Clearly, we have a different opinion on what his actions show. nt
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:25 PM
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7. Hayden wants Obama to use his ethnicity and I don't think that should be
used. If it was, that's all anyone would talk about.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:29 PM
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10. I think Hayden's larger point is that Obama is standing on the shoulders of Hayden et al
and just tried to photoshop them out of existence.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:46 PM
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13. I think he was saying that the fact Barack is not comfortable referring to his race shows
that the 1960s conflicts are NOT over. That race does still matter, and wishing it wasn't so doesn't accomplish much.

That said, I found that paragraph the oddest and least persuasive part of Hayden's piece:
Your problem, if I may say so out loud, and with all respect, is that the deepest rationale for your running for president is the one that you dare not mention very much, which is that you are an African-American with the possibility of becoming president. The quiet implication of your centrism is that all races can live beyond the present divisions, in the higher reality above the dualities. You may be right. You see the problems Hillary Clinton encounters every time she implies that she wants to shatter all those glass ceilings and empower a woman, a product of the feminist movement, to be president? Same problem. So here’s my question: how can you say let’s “turn the page” and leave all those Sixties’ quarrels behind us if we dare not talk freely in public places about a black man or a woman being president? Doesn’t that reveal that on some very deep level that we are not yet ready to “turn the page”?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:35 AM
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21. Obama doesn't say racism is over
he says that the 60's generation is so entrenched in their conflicts that they can't see the conflicts as they exist today. Hayden doesn't get it because he hasn't moved out of the 60's paradigm.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:48 PM
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14. I don't believe that really. I think Obama is authentic if misinformed
at times.(I know, I know!) He has foibles-who doesn't? I won't say anything further in deference to Hayden, but I can just say I disagree.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:39 PM
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11. *** REMINDER: feel free to kick, but please don't recommend this post
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 10:41 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
David Zephyr's whole post (and the entire Hayden letter, which is pretty expansive) are wonderful.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2248793

I just wanted to make a pointer from GDP to the original in GD. But it would be silly for this mere advertisement for the original to end up on the greatest page.

Please do be sure to recommend the original (if you like it)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:00 PM
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15. lol, Tom Hayden needs to wake up
I guarantee him there are not a whole lot more Tom Hayden Democrats around the country than Scoop Jackson Democrats. Howard Dean's numbers in 2004 should be proof of that. Baby boomers and their self-importance, it just never ends.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:08 AM
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20. Scoop Jackson -
Hunter Thompson called him the "senator from Boeing".
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:03 PM
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16. Last week Hayden dissed Biden. Wonder who he is for?
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:49 PM
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19. oh my god this is FUCKING CLASSIC!
To every thing turn turn!

His comments make Obama's point. "there are a lot more Tom Hayden Dems than Scoop Jackson Dems.!

BINGO, WE HAVE A WINNER!

Tom you are too fucking self absorbed to look into the mirror and see the problem, let alone actually stop and think about what he is saying.

I guess the more things change, the more they stay the same.



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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 02:18 PM
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23. Pleased to note that Zephyr's OP has reached 84 rec's
Pretty damn good for a thread that's not about Kucinich, impeachment or Hillary's wickedness
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