HIllary is Pro War and Pro Iran Invasion AND against The Democratic Party!

[Capn Sunshine]

If she isn't she had better disavow loudly and strongly her support from Joe Lieberman.
He's not even a Democrat. Shouldn't she disavow his support?

He's the Hawkiest of Hawks; he completely and fully supports Bush's War.
He's head cheerleader for invasion of Iran.

So, unless Hillary disavows his support, loudly and strongly, she is PRO WAR, and anti-Democrat.

Right?

[TwilightGardener]

1. I don't think she's Pro-War on either Iraq or Iran--she's just

trying to play for the general, blowing off the left of the party in the process. It's a gamble she'll win, too.

[RaleighNCDUer]

24. And that would be because she really thinks the general public,

those she hopes to win over, are in favor of the war in Iraq and an attack on Iran?

Really?

[TwilightGardener]

33. No--but she's going to stave off any attempt by Rudy/Romney

to paint her as weak on defense/terror with her Kyl/Lieberman vote, her refusal to admit that the IWR was a mistake, and her initial refusal to say she'd talk to Iran without conditions (Obama has sinced forced her to the left on that one). She's very carefully navigating her way through various defense issues to both appear strong on defense yet willing to end the war and avert another. I don't have any real fear that she won't significantly reduce troop levels, or that she will pick a fight with Iran. I just don't like her trying to zoom past primary voters' concerns already.

[CitizenLeft]

60. I believe that's exactly what she's doing

It is risky, and I don't like it either, but like you said, it may also work. I don't believe for a moment she'd invade Iran. She may be a lot of things, but one thing she - and her husband - is/are not, and that's stupid. Besides, while a Democratic congress may be submissive to a Republican president able to spook the dumbed-down public, they will NOT sit idly by and allow a president from their own party to run roughshod over them. Not going to happen.

[superkia]

45. I disagree. Back in 2002, she voted for the war and continued...

to fund it even though there was never any evidence. On top of that, if you look at the speech she made, she was spewing the same kind of propaganda that Bush and Cheney were back then and trying to make Iraq and Saddam look bad as if they had something to do with 9/11. She knew what she was doing then and she knew what she was doing with her Kyle-Lieberman amendment vote. She understands the same agendas that Bush has when it comes to the middle east and she will continue the same direction with regards to the ME if she is president.

The sad thing is that the majority of Americans that only listen to the media for their political input will probably help get her in office because they really don't no any better, we will see.

[Windy]

2. Prepare for the flames.... I've got the hose!!!

:popcorn:

[msongs]

3. link to clinton saying those things? or are you just smearing for fun? nt

[wyldwolf]

her's just smearing for fun. He know Lieberman was Obama's mentor...

...and Clinton and Obama have the same stance on Iran.

[Capn Sunshine]

14. WAS operative word- OBAMA IS AGAINST THE WAR AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN

no so Hillary. Accepting support from Lieberman, who's not a Democrat, means she is also anti-Democratic party.
Right?

[SaveElmer]

19. And so what was Obama and Liebermans position on the war...

When Obama said this last year?

And Joe and I don't agree on everything. But what I know is, Joe Lieberman's a man with a good heart, with a keen intellect, who cares about the working families of America."

"I am absolutely certain that Connecticut's going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the United States Senate." - Barack Obama

[wyldwolf]

27. 1., Hillary has not accepted support from Lieberman, 2., Obama's anti-war position is a farce

Obama gave an anti-war speech in a safe Dem district while a part-time state legislator only at the urging of someone he wanted to impress.

When he ran for the Senate, all reference to that speech disappeared.

He's expressed doubt over how he would have voted had he been in the Senate at the time.

He supported the war once he became Senator (after defeating - LOL - Alan Keyes)

He has the same position on Iran that Hillary has.

:shrug:

[emilyg]

48. Are u trying to insert facts?

[wyldwolf]

56. why would I try to do that?

[Capn Sunshine]

6. She didn't say anything.

It's her lack of saying anything.

Being associated with Lieberman means she supports his agenda
Right?

[rinsd]

4. Until Obama disavows Joe Lieberman as his mentor he is pro-war

No wonder you Obama guys do this, its so much easier to do smears by association rather than. I don't know. tout your candidate.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

5. Very well done! Let's watch how many heads your point sails over. nt

[Capn Sunshine]

8. well, so far there's one.

:)

[Capn Sunshine]

18. two, three.....

:rofl:

[cali]

7. LOL! that's not going to happen. should she do it,

she'd tank her own candidacy. And she's not responsible for Lieberman endorsing her.

[Capn Sunshine]

9. No , but if she accepts his support, she supports his views

I think we've established here at DU that's how it works

[BootinUp]

12. If I disagree with you on this thread

does that mean I have to disagree with you on all your other threads?

[Capn Sunshine]

17. That's the protocol

Ask anyone at DU. We've firmly established that. :hi:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. Only If You're Sentient

DSB

[cali]

15. Nope. I don't buy that about Obama and I posted that, and

I don't buy it about Clinton either.

[RaleighNCDUer]

30. Wouldn't his endorsing her suggest that he believe her views to be

closest to his?

She may not be responsible for his endorsement, but if she disagrees with him she could say so.

Look at the repukes who reject the endorsement of David Duke. They have to distance themselves from the racist idiologies. If she wants to distance herself from the warhawks, she needs to reject Lieberman's endorsement.

Otherwise, we have to believe she approves.

[rinsd]

41. Lieberman has never endorsed her.

Lieberman in defending his bill called Hillary's vote the right one and castigated Edwards for railing against it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. I Don't Like Duke Or Lieberman

But if you think Joe Lieberman is as far out of the mainstream in the minds of most Americans as David Duke or even rank and file Democrats there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion...

"These Jews who run things, who are producing this mental illness - teenage suicide... all these Jewish sicknesses. That's nothing new. The Talmud's full of things like sex with boys and girls.”

-David Duke

http://thinkexist.com/quotes/david_duke/

Yeah- Lieberman=Duke...Move on...There's nothing to see here...

[RaleighNCDUer]

53. Please, I never said that Lieberman=Duke - you are deliberately

mischaracterizing my point.

Duke is as far to the right of normal repukes as Lieberman is to the right of normal (progressive) dems. Duke has been ostracized from the repuke party, while Lieberman has abandoned the Democratic party to pursue his war.

That makes Duke a Nazi, and Lieberman a repuke. And yes, Lieberman IS far out of the mainstream of the Democrats, since he is no longer a Democrat.

[rinsd]

54. Yes but you did say hLieberman endorsed her which he did not.

So do you care to take that back?

[RaleighNCDUer]

57. No. I was replying to a post in which that person said

'Lieberman endorsed Hillary'. My reply was a direct counter to that post. If you have a problem with it, take it up with your ally.

ON EDIT: the actual quote was "And she's not responsible for Lieberman endorsing her."

Thence, my reply.

[SaveElmer]

10. Obama first...

And Joe and I don't agree on everything. But what I know is, Joe Lieberman's a man with a good heart, with a keen intellect, who cares about the working families of America."

"I am absolutely certain that Connecticut's going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the United States Senate." - Barack Obama

[oasis]

11. Hillary won't allow Lieberman to make pro-war speeches on her campaign tour. (eom)

[Capn Sunshine]

16. But she accepts his support

So she is Pro War. Pro Iran Invasion. Pro Bush.
I knew it all along

[oasis]

39. Read post # 13. That's all you really need to know about the issue.(eom)

[Basileus Basileon]

13. I get the parallels to McClurkin. The difference, I would say,

is that Lieberman endorsed Clinton, while Obama tacitly endorsed McClurkin by giving him a platform.

[Capn Sunshine]

20. All she has to do is denounce his views

Or she supports him, and is anti-Democratic party.

[Cameron27]

22. Lieberman didn't endorse anyone,

he supported Clinton's vote on K/L, one of many yes votes btw. There's only one McClurkin, and it was Obama who allowed him to MC and speak at his concert.

[ElizabethDC]

23. She isn't pro-war or pro-Iran, and Lieberman hasn't endorsed her

he just defended her vote on the the Kyl-Lieberman.

But nice try with the spinning.

[Capn Sunshine]

25. HIs support means she's on board with his views

He's not a Democrat.

He's prop por War, Pro strategic nuke , pro Iran invasion

HIllary accepts this support , and says nothing against it.

Ergo, she does not support the party, is pro war and is pro Iran invasion.

[ElizabethDC]

29. He defended her vote on one bill. There's no indication that he supportes her.

But you're doing some fanciful weaving; it's interesting to watch.

[CTyankee]

52. What exactly did Joe say? Was it an endorsement like Wes Clark's?

I haven't seen a link yet.

As a supporter of Ned Lamont's campaign and a volunteer for him, I would regard his endorsement as a repugnant thing. And yes, he is no Democrat, not any more. Those of us who worked for Ned have this visceral thing when it comes to the guy.

But as I haven't read what he actually said, I need more information. Help me out, Capn!

[rinsd]

26. No, Capt. is playing a game

He's trying to say since Obama gets smeared by association with McClurkin (even though the Capt himself loves to bring up Murdoch and apparently doesn't like the table being turned) Hillary getting smeared by association is fair game.

The irony being that the Hillary supporters responding to this thread are not guilty of what he is trying to prove.

[wyldwolf]

and not a very clever one, either.

[SaveElmer]

28. And a Lame one at that...

As Lieberman's comments were passive support, and he has not endorsed Hillary for President...whereas McClurkin was purposely put out by Obama to represent his campaign in SC...

[ElizabethDC]

31. Yes, I know, but it's such a long stretch that it's fun to watch.

I've noticed that a lot of people on DU seem to be of the belief that Lieberman has endorsed Hillary.

[rinsd]

32. That's how it works.

People deliberately misrepresent what was said and it gets repeated often enough that is gains an air of credibility.

[Cameron27]

36. Of course it works,

that's why it's used so often.

[Capn Sunshine]

34. oh, ow, you guys are killing me here

Please comment on the support aspect of Lieberman. Seriously.

[wyldwolf]

35. Did she ask for the support or invite him to speak at campaign events?

[Capn Sunshine]

37. check your notes. It's probably both

I think if it isn't she should denounce Lieberman ASAP

[wyldwolf]

40. you and I have the same "notes," the media, and the answer is "no."

[rinsd]

38. Seriously?

You're not serious though.

You even admit as much in the thread.

:shrug:

[Capn Sunshine]

43. WATCH THIS AND DECIDE

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/2/12255/5332

[Cameron27]

44. Nicely edited

and the same kind of video can be made for Obama or Edwards or anyone else in this race.

[Bitwit1234]

46. The BULLSHIT gallery has been heard from

wonder what gem of an idea they will come up with next...

[LoZoccolo]

47. Says you, lol.

Maybe she'll see your message and realize she has to disavow!

[mmonk]

49. I would say "against the democratic party" is a little too strong

to try and make your argument.

[bvar22]

50. Hillary is ProWAR with or without Lieberman support!

"Redeploying" some combat troops at some time in the future "when conditions permit"
is a PRO-WAR position.

American soldiers WILL be killing Iraqis through out the Hillary administration.
American soldiers will be continue to be killed in Iraq throughout the Hillary administration.
Hillary WILL continue "combat operations" in Iraq.

Hillary will NOT end the WAR, she will simply rename it.
She seems to believe that she can fight it with fewer troops, but has left plenty of weasel room to change her mind after she is elected.

Hillary has already reassured her contributors at AIPAC and the Armaments Industries that she will keep the WAR rolling along and the $Dollars$ pouring into their pockets.



After All, WAR is GOOD for BIG BUSINESS!!!!



Lieberman and Hillary belong to the same clubs.
It is not a surprise that the ex-chairman of the DLC (ProWAR)
is actively supporting the current Darling of the DLC (ProWAR)





"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[onenote]

51. hey cap'n..how do you 'disavow' something that you don't have

If you've got a link to Lieberman endorsing clinton's candidacy, I'd like to see it.

[Capn Sunshine]

55. Support......support

No endorsement I'm aware of. Read the fine print.

I'm just here to show the Hillary Camp how it's really done. They've been slacking off lately.

[Perry Logan]

58. The more incontinent the opposition gets, the better she does.

[ileus]

59. Hillary is the Democrat party, she's all we have right now.