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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:39 PM
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My last attempt at getting my point across on the whole McClurkin issue
How I spent my 17th birthday


I was so excited. I was sure it would be the day I was praying for. In health class the year before we studied homosexuality and the teacher told us that it was a phase and would go away by the time a boy was 17. So I circled that day on my calander. I was sure my prayers would be answered. I didn't want a car. I didn't want new clothes. I wanted one thing for that birthday. I wanted to be normal. Of course it didn't happen. It also didn't happen a few months later when I was on a harrowing trip from NYC to West Point (don't ask) and I promised I would swear off men forever if I only didn't get killed.

I went so far as to look into an ex gay treatment center but my parent's insurance wouldn't pay. They called it quackery. Decades later I am an adult who is comfortable with myself. It took a very, very long time and I took a side trip down many a bottle getting there.

I look back at that time in my life and wonder just what I was thinking. What could have made me so ashamed of myself that I so desperately wanted to change? I was ranked 6th in my class in high school, I got a full scholarship to a private college, I was section leader of both my band and my choir, I acted in several plays. In college I graduated with a 3.48 average with majors in both poli sci and math. I was in both choir and collegium all four years. Yet, deep inside I knew I wasn't good enough. I knew that good people prayed and the gay went away. I knew my parents deserved a better child, my siblings a better brother, and my friends a better friend. If I truely were a good person, then I would beat this. Only one friend was able to get those feelings to subside. Good old alcohol. So I drank bottle after bottle of vodka knowing it would eventually kill me.

Now I have been sober for 7 and a half years. I have a job, a dog, a car, have lost 50 lbs., and have taken steps to come out at work. I worked hard to get here. I am strong enough now, not to fall for the false promise of change. I know Donnie is a charlatan. But does the current crop of 17 year olds, do their parents? What will happen to them?

If you don't get it by now, I don't know what else to say. What Donnie said really cuts that deep. This isn't about Hillary, John, Bill, Chris, Dennis, Mike, Joe, or anyone else. Barack chose to associate himself with Donnie and all he stands for. His supporters here, not all of them but many of them, are defending the indefensible and behaving irredeamably.

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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:43 PM
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1. Hugs to you, dsc.
You were there for me when I came out on DU a few years ago.

All I can add to your post is the fact that the rate of suicide among gay teenagers is much higher than the rate of suicide among straight teenagers, and those figures don't even capture the number of suicides nobody ever suspected were gay. How many young people have decided to put a gun to their head rather than live as something they have been taught to be monstrous?

How many young people have laid awake in bed night after night worrying that they will go to hell because they are gay?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:46 PM
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2. I am glad to have been there for you
and am glad you are doing well. I am here today thanks to a great guy who talked me down when I had decided to check out. He literally saved my life.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:02 PM
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16. Well, I'm glad that he did that.
I'm terribly sorry that you went through all this. One of the reasons that I am very out at work and everywhere else is to be a witness. I don't want anyone else to have to go through what you have suffered. I don't want anyone else to have to grow up in a community like the one I grew up in.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:08 PM
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22. thanks
You are doing Gods work if you save even one.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:14 PM
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26. You are doing God's work - you are a teacher.
O8)
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Sandaasu Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:48 PM
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3. Thanks for posting this!
I really do feel that so many people here mean well, but they defend Barack and even sometimes Donnie himself. They don't see the problems here because they don't understand how much we are hurt by the message that Donnie not only speaks of, but also represents in person.

This could end up being a boon for us, in getting more information about this issue out in the open. What we've been seeing here demonstrates how much needs to be done to educate people about the horrors of the "exgay" message.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:49 PM
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4. And to make matters worse, he rejected gay black ministers from the tour.
I'm with you on this.

I will not support Obama in the Primaries.

But if he gets the nomination, he's still much, MUCH better than ANYONE the Repukes have to offer.

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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:02 PM
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18. We don't have to speculate about why Obama rejected black gay ministers.
This was carefully orchestrated.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:49 PM
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5. What an inspiring story.
I'm glad you made it to "the other side". :hug:
Progressives who WANT to get it, will, and those who have hero worship for Obama and all things Obama, won't.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:51 PM
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6. Wow.
Good God, dsc.

I can only barely began to imagine.

First, that "teacher" had no business even being around impressionable kids.

Secondly, Obama and his people are fucking scum for booking that cretin.

I hope the School Year is treating you well.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:54 PM
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8. In fairness to the teacher
what he said and what I heard were likely two very different things. Things are going well though.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:53 PM
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7. K&R
The lack of empathy among some of the Obama supporters, particularly the ones who boast about their gay friends and how much they work for GLBT rights, really is profound.

How's it been going at work? You've been on my mind lately. :hug:
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:57 PM
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11. the comments I hear tell me that pretty much it is all around
but there seems to be no ramifications from it. I have told a few teachers as well. Apparently I have made it so to speak.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:00 PM
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15. I'm so glad for you.
I think sometimes we're so used to people flipping out that sometimes we underestimate folks and their ability to deal with us.

I admit to some trepidation about coming out at my new job...it's a much smaller office and the company isn't nearly as progressive on GLBT issues as the bank I got laid off from. We have a transwoman in the office who takes a lot of nasty shit behind her back. :(
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:55 PM
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9. We shut up our sheltered baptist boss' wife about gays by telling her
that y'all are here to test her -- as in Jesus wants to know how she treats you.

Maybe this misguided McClurkin is here to test you. He is but a man. A misguided, foolish, and probaly deeply unhappy man. Let's not give him more power than he deserves. And don't halo ANY candidate. Even Obama. Just a thought.

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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:07 PM
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20. Words lead to actions. Tolerating bigotry leads to genocide.
The Nazis killed gay people in those concentration camps, too. Gay men and women are brutalized every day because of who they love. We have virtually none of the rights that straight people take for granted.

This is about way more than "words."
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:26 PM
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38. Your passion is evident and I'll defer to all the thought you've put in to this --
Obama is a user and has dealings with the wrong people. I'm an expatriot Chicagoan, understand the players after having followed them for years, and and b'leeve it: He's dirty(ish) and the MSM is building him up for a dramatic flameout.


This whole reformation of gay people theory (lol) creeps me out, bigtime.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:56 PM
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10. God bless you
I get it. I felt many of the same things you did.

I was at the top of my class, am a gifted singer, told over & over I should be a pastor which is a nice compliment, but I constantly felt 'why me?' but I realize God made us the way he intended. I have lost a love-of-a-lifetime because of his own shame about liking me, so I know where you're coming from.

Thanks for such strong words, bless you.

And yeah, Obama's at the bottom for me after this, totally the bottom. I let the Biden AIDS slam for laughs to the Black crowd go by as just playing on Biden's sorta slip of the tongue, but this is something Obama allowed and it was made disturbingly horrible by allowing the self hating Donnie to run the event and blow his horn about gay people at the end.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:58 PM
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12. An inspirational post, dsc.
I'm glad you were able to exorcise your demons and to accept yourself for who you are. Not many people can, honestly, say that about themselves. I hope something positive will come out of this. Civil rights violations damage all of us not just the intended party.

kick and recommend
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 07:48 AM
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78. Oh I love
that photoshopped photo. It cuts out kucinich perfectly. Why these decent candidates should have to share thestage with a dirty little hippie-man from ohio is beyond understanding.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 08:43 AM
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82. excuse me?
:wow: surely you forgot this :sarcasm:
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 09:21 AM
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89. oh yeah
Heh sorry....(how do I put up the sarchasm thing?)
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:25 PM
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102. My apologies to Dennis Kucinich (and his supporters)...
Edited on Tue Oct-30-07 01:27 PM by CyberPieHole
I was looking for an image with all the candidates in them and could only find that one at that moment in time (that fit into the pixel requirements). The exclusion was UNINTENTIONAL. I had NO idea it had been photo-shopped. I like U.S. Representative Dennis Kucinich, personally. If it offended anyone I offer my most sincere apology. I have since replaced the image.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:59 PM
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13. "Barack chose to associate himself with Donnie and all he stands for."
"Barack chose to associate himself with Donnie and all he stands for. His supporters here, not all of them but many of them, are defending the indefensible and behaving irredeamably."

It'll take more than dancing with Ellen to win my respect, Mr. Obama.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:07 PM
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21. That Ellen dancing was pre-recorded. FWIW. It was taped over two weeks ago, well BEFORE the
McClurkin business hit the news.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:10 PM
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24. That makes sense. Ellen's not fool enough to be used- without comment.
I'm told she's having all the candidates on (top three so far).
That's refreshing considering how Oparah embarrassed herself over Obama.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:54 PM
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34. It happened well before the dog business, even. nt
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:59 PM
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14. What a touching story.
I have tried to write a short story on my feelings here, but I just can't do it, not yet. And the sad thing is it happened when I was 16, I am now 43. All I will say is I will not let this McClurkin thing go and I will not let anyone have a pass who tries.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:02 PM
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17. I should have known better I really should have
but I fell for the charlatans and the bs. I am glad you got to the other side man. It can be tough.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:04 PM
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19. You wanted to be normal.
And you are.

Well, you're actually well above average!

Nice post.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:10 PM
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23. My heart goes out to you
I'm sorry for what you had to go through because of the narrow-mindedness and ignorance of your teacher. The spiritual and psychological damage caused by bigots is astounding. It's no wonder the suidice rate for GLBT teens and adults is so high. Fighting it, and working for our civil rights, is such a long road. But we must persevere.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:48 PM
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39. Your sig line is so true
We really are the Redshirts of the Democratic Party. :(
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:14 PM
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25. It's a very inspiring story,
and it's wonderful that you've shared it with everyone here. I sincerely hope that it will help anyone who doesn't get it, anyone who doesn't understand what's behind the anger and pain.

K&R
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:17 PM
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27. Thanks for your post dsc.
It is so hard to love ourselves enough to get through it all - so glad you held on to yourself. I am sure we will meet in person one day soon.

Again, thanks for sharing.

P.S. I won't be at the Halloween party - I am flying to the midwest for my mother's birthday. She might not know I am there but that is ok - I just hold her and she feels loved. She no longer remembers that she didn't like me for most of my adult life because I am one of those kind of people. I feel no anger about that - just sadness for her because of what she refused to understand.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:19 PM
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28. sorry man
that is rough. My mom was on a long, slow decline for a few years and it was rough. I hope you are OK.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:04 PM
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35. I am ok and thanks for asking.
Both of my parents have Alzheimer's - my mother is 86 and father is 92. My mother's is much more advanced. What has been so amazing is that dealing with this ongoing crisis has brought me very close to my siblings. They told me several months ago that they were shocked I had stepped up and was doing everything I could think of to help out. They acknowledged that because of the way I had been treated by the whole family for 40 years I could take a complete pass. I told them their acknowledgment was enough and we still had time.

My sister and brother-in-law have now reached out to a lesbian couple in their small town and have pulled them into their social circle of seven or eight straight couples. My sister baby sits (for free) their kids so the women can get away for a weekend. I asked her if she had taken any shit off of anyone. She said NO - I am passing it out, not taking it.

I know she is doing this as her way of making it up to me. My sister's grown children are very proud of their parents now.

My sister has become my best friend and three years ago we were on different planets.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:07 PM
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36. that is a great thing
Good for you and your sister.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:28 PM
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64. Your sister is an awesome person - one who not only realized she had made a terrible mistake, but
then set out and found a way to demonstrate her new understanding in a profound and sincere manner.

You hung in there, through your pain, and were big enough to forgive. Not many can do that!
And now I am so happy for both of you that your lives are connected again.

Thanks for sharing that powerful story.
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midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 09:14 AM
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88. " She said NO - I am passing it out, not taking it."
haha We should all be so fortunate to have a sister like that!
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:26 PM
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29. dsc...
If there's a gay man or lesbian on this planet who hasn't seriously considered checking out, especially as a teenager, I haven't met him or her yet.

I was in my 30s before I finally realized I was "normal" -- and that I wasn't just gay, but Good As You. ;)

Thank you for posting this, dsc. Let's hope it gets through to just one person today. :hug:
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:29 PM
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30. Thank you dsc
This last week has made me question and deepen my commitment to GLBT rights. My bother came out when he was twenty. He told me of his dresses and anxiety. I did my best to understand, knowing that I never really would.

Amazingly, my parents, who were conservative Catholics, embraced his lover as part of the family. He became a fixture at Christmas dinners I think I learnt more about Christianity in those days, than I had done in years of school.

I am grateful to people here who put aside their primary battles to stand firm against bigotry, let alone the atrocities of the "ex-gay" moment. I've seen the humanity behind the rhetoric, and a little more of the way I stereotype people.

Again, thank the intimate account of your journey
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:43 PM
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32. Hooray for your parents!
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 07:15 PM
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45. they were good about it
It took a long time for me to man up and tell them the truth. I am glad I did.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:38 PM
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31. It should be very simple to grasp for anyone! It's an equivalent of
someone saying (like Coulter did) that you could be "cured" (or "perfected") of being Jewish by converting -- or "cured" of being black by bleaching your skin. Now, if Obama invited Coulter to participate in his campaign, we would have no one here defending him, would we? I guess even here, on DU, we have not come as long a way as we pride ourselves on having come.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:53 PM
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33. well said. n/t
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:12 PM
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37. I had friends in college who prayed to be cured. Didn't work.
They even went to "Christian" counselling to be cured, and it didn't work. It does not work. Frankly, I'm disgusted that Obama associated with that movement at all. I was already developing strong reservations about the guy, but this has lost his vote in the primary entirely for me. I really hope he's not out nominee.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:57 PM
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40. Hugs to you.
:hug:

I agree with your point-of-view; thank the One Consciousness that you are hear to express things so eloquently.

This is one of the reasons that I'm supporting Dennis Kucinich in the primaries.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:59 PM
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41. a very good friend also helped
He stayed up with me for hours as I cried on his shoulder and told him about myself. He was a Godsend.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 07:05 PM
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42. Very strong point to get across
Seeing how much Obama affected so many good people so much has changed my mind about how wrong Obama was.

I'm glad you've become comfortable with yourself. Good judge of character.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 07:09 PM
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43. DSC, I talked with two young students in the past couple of years

who were fearing eternal damnation. One expected to be banned from his church (which was already pressuring him mightily) and by parts of his family. Both had heard "de-programmng" camps being discussed at home. The struggle goes on and on. Thankfully, both were able to link up with some non-haters.

Thanks for your post.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 07:13 PM
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44. I know how hard it is for a kid raised in hard corps fundamentalist religion
Honestly, every once in a great while, I wonder what if they are right and I am wrong. I have that split second of doubt. It goes away but it does come every once in awhile. Good for you for helping out those young ones.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 07:20 PM
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47. Oh really
We were told, both here and on his website and on MTV, that all he would do is sing a few songs. Later we find out that he not only MCed but had a half hour of apparently uninterrupted time, to spread his message of hate. We were told, repeatedly here and on his site, that Obama condemned McClurkin's message and would have no presence at the concert. Later we find out he introduced the acts by video and stated that McClurkin was a favorite of Obama and his wife. That is association, plain and simple.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 08:22 PM
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51. Please provide a transcript for this so-called "message of hate." nt
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 07:28 PM
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48. IMO you're the one who doesn't get it.
I hope you do figure it out somewhere along the way.
I often have disagreed with your POV but I always thought you looked closely at the things you value, and made your choices. And I respected that. I don't understand how you can't see this.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 07:32 PM
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49. Donnie is not Obama. You had issues. Those issues has nothing to do with Obama
He did not do anything to you on your 17th birthday. Everyone has their own point of view. Bottom line is religious people have a right to hear anyone they want for a concert. If you do not want to listen to the person singing or speaking do not go.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 07:34 PM
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50. I have no problem with them going to a gospel concert
I have a big, huge problem with a Demcoratic candidate sponsering such a concert and lying about the gospel singer's role.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 08:14 AM
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80. Please show me where Obama lied about his role? Link Please
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 09:03 AM
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85. Go to MTV's website and look at his forum
I can't link it since I can't go there during work hours. He directly lied about McClurkin's role. The interview was on Monday afternoon and he stated McClurkin only sang. We know that is a lie.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 08:49 PM
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52. Empathy, please.
Please, for the love of whatever God you hold dear, try to see where we are coming from on this. This is about more than a concert and "points of view".

We are fighting for our very right to exist, much less for the same freedoms, rights and responsibilities that you take for granted.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #49
60. And people who don't like Obama's choices have the right to not vote for him.
And to complain as well.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #49
104. Man, talk about not getting it.
:eyes:

How about a little empathy? How about just shutting up?
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 08:54 PM
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53. The people trashing Obama already had hate for him long before this.
I just wonder what is driving the hate...
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 09:02 PM
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55. You know, you should reread DSC's post
Edited on Mon Oct-29-07 09:08 PM by ruggerson
because what you just did (for the 1000th time) is come into a thread and take something beautiful and heartfelt and attempt to invalidate it.

What kind of person is capable of doing that?
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 10:20 PM
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63. "What kind of person is capable of doing that?"
Someone who makes a conscious decision to not "get it".

Willful ignorance is just as malicious as willful intent.
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Sandaasu Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 09:06 PM
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56. Keep going.
I supported him before this. With so many of the remaining Obama supporters acting like this, assuming that those of us who have real concerns about this aren't being sincere, I'm just being driven further away.

And I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 09:58 PM
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59. Obama trashed HIMSELF. All by his little lonesome.
He tried to use Donnie to appeal to trashy fundie beliefs. Blowback is a bitch. HIS campaign, HIS choices, HIS responsibility.

Stop blaming others as though all are part of some vast monolithic gay conspiracy. Obama gambled on the numbers. We don't yet know the bottom line.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 06:41 AM
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74. Bull shit Post as usual. Obama did not trash anyone. However there has been nothing but
Edited on Tue Oct-30-07 06:41 AM by Ethelk2044
trash posted here on DU about him.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 07:36 AM
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77. YMMV
:shrug:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #74
116. "Bull shit Post as usual."
But enough about your posting history.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #116
117. Um - thank you for that.
Said it for me. :D
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:06 PM
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118. I aim to serve!
:D
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #53
61. I don't hate him. I'm disappointed that he's done such a lame thing.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:36 AM
Response to Reply #53
67. Actually, I never, nor do I now "hate" Obama
But your question about what is driving "the hate" is possibly the most self-possessed statement I've seen posted at DU. Like one of those 70 year olds interviewed at the concert said, "He's nice to look at". Couldn't agree more. The first stage of real recovery is acceptance, love.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 05:26 AM
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71. I make a challenge to you here and now
Go ahead and search under my name and find one, just one single solitary post before this happened where I say anything negative about Obama. Find it and not only will I apologize but I will donate 20 bucks to Obama.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 08:51 AM
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83. Oh get a freaking clue
"Hate"? Give me a break. Nobody at DU "hates" Obama. Obama is a great guy and would no doubt make an excellent president. But there is no way to ignore what's going on here. This was a huge mistake on his part (or his campaign's part, which is the same thing).
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 11:13 AM
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95. That is bullshit
I am a transplanted Illinoisan, and I proudly voted for Obama for Senate. But soon after he was elected, I started to have reservations because he started to support things like the bankruptcy bill. But even so, up to this point he was still my choice in the primaries. Not anymore. It is now clear to me that Obama's handlers, or perhaps Obama himself, have an agenda, and it is not one of "hope".
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #53
105. I had indifference for Obama before this
Now all I have is disgust. What's driving it is the way he threw LGBTs under the bus in his attempt to gain the bigot vote.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 04:34 PM
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110. I actually really bought into Obama's
"a candidate for all people" persona. I really wanted him to have just made an innocent mistake of not vetting people in this case, but he knew about McClurkin. He isn't innocent in this. And it really, really sucks. I can't look at him as the "new man from Hope" sort of figure now.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #53
115. ofercripessakes.
please don't do enuendo - you don't do it well.
what a crock.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 09:00 PM
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54. dsc
you know I love you :hug:

We spoke of this before, you are so strong now and I am so happy you made it through. That shame is what killed my brother. I am so happy you were able to get through it all. Because it is right and because of my brother I do what I do. If this story you so selflessly share does not change minds and hearts then I don't know what would.

K&R
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 09:31 PM
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57. "Unhappy Gays"
I am so appalled by the latest "explanation" and "excuse" which is that this so-called "Man of God" is only trying to save the "unhappy gays" which is quite amazing since it implies that "happy" gays are okay but "unhappy" gays are not. Are both "sinful" or are just the "unhappy" gays "sinful" or are we no longer talking about sin and just personal dislikes of someone who doesn't like himself, his "straight" self, so he projects it onto others to make them miserable as well?

I really have no tolerance for intolerant people. As for "unhappy" gays, most are "unhappy" because of people like this so-called "Man of God" and the POLITICIANS WHO PANDER TO THEM TO RAISE MONEY AND GET VOTES. And yes, I AM screaming. Obama is PANDERING to him.

Listen, Obama, get this straight, pardon the pun. A bigot is a bigot is a bigot. End of subject. And hopefully end of your campaign. If you want to support bigotry, change parties and run as a Republican.

And for those who will still claim Obama is "okay" and everyone should have a voice in his campaign, invite one of the many Southern Baptist ministers who still believe in the Curse of Ham and see how the African-American community reacts to it.

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 09:40 PM
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58. K&R.
Thank you.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 10:18 PM
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62. It takes a ton of guts to share your personal story
We all (LGBTers) have our own coming out stories.

It's a shame that so many people here choose not to understand where we're coming from.



:hug:
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:42 AM
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65. I am a straight man
with two gay sisters. I saw them go through almost the same things as you. Luckily, they had a supportive brother and father, they are loved. We would never let anything happen to them. Through their eyes I see how much fear and hatred exists toward the gay community. And anyone who associates themselves with the likes of McClurkin or any other hate monger deserves the lumps that come with that decision.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:41 AM
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69. Amen!
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:24 AM
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66. Thanks for your post, dsc. Just keep being yourself.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:39 AM
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68. Oh, and you dsc are all that and a bag of chips, buddy!
So, why when good people pray doesn't hatred go away? Or herpes for that matter? It never made any sense but you made your way through to the bright light side. God Bless!
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:49 AM
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70. Great post!
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 05:31 AM
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72. I like how Dean was against full civil union benefits and gay marriage for GLBTs
I think it is unfortunate that our front runner candidates are not 100% PRO GAY MARRIAGE and cannot help but tap dance around this issue... but to try and rally outrage about this when your pictured candidate had an even less gay friendly campaign than Obama did is laughable.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 05:34 AM
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73. Without Dean there wouldn't have been civil unions in Vermont
a full 3 years before marriage came to Mass. Dean was honest and upfront about his opposition. He also stood up to homophobes. The massive difference between him and Obama, who incidently also opposes marriage, is lightyears. Dean would have never, not ever, sponsered this nightmare of a concert and then lie to our faces about it.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 07:03 AM
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75. I am so sorry that our society made you feel there was something wrong with you.
You made me cry.
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nadine_mn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 07:08 AM
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76. Thank you
For the most part I am hetero.. I say that only because I know I will never know what it is like to be gay or to deal with the constant homophobia, so I am not pretending to speak on behalf of anyone. We don't have anyone openly gay in our family (I am pretty sure my uncle is, however he is so filled with self loathing I don't think he could ever accept it - Catholic Hispanic males have this stupid machismo factor to overcome). We never talked about homosexuality in our family (nothing hegative or positive, just never came up), so I am not sure where I got my pro-gay rights from ... maybe I am just naive... I honestly believe that we should treat everyone with love and respect, so this idea of second or third class citizens just pisses me off.




I posted about Obama earlier last week...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

How can gay rights be considered a side issue? How can someone say we have more important things to work on... we have more important things than basic civil rights??????????????????????

The idea that anyone is actually for a constitutional amendment that TAKES AWAY a right - which flies in the face of the whole damn document - says to me we have huge issues to work on here - to me this is bigger than Iraq, health care, education, etc...

That we, who stand for democracy and freedom, have decided it is ok to tell people there is something wrong with them - something to be cured, prayed over, ... for who they are to me is the beginning of the end our country, we have lost our way.



Thank you for your courage to post and share your experience...
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 08:12 AM
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79. You wanted to be 'normal'? What the hell is 'normal'? You ARE
NORMAL if there is such a thing. By your achievements maybe above normal.

I understand your point.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 08:33 AM
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81. Maybe The Bible should be banned?
A lot of these hateful ideas are reinforced by people reading the Bible and believing that it is some kind of a source of wisdom and enlightenment, when in fact it is the exact opposite.

As a minimum, libraries and bookstores should be required to keep all editions of the Bible in the "Fiction" section.

Of course I can say these things because I am not running for office in a country where around 80% of the voters call themselves Christians of one kind or another.

I wonder how many of our politicians and candidates know in their hearts that The Bible is BS, but go thru the motions of being church-going Christians because it's like a job requirement.

I think there is only one member of Congress who has admitted that he does not believe in God.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 08:52 AM
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84. I am so sorry to hear what you went through, dsc.
I'm just glad you can be who you really are now. My wish is that someday Donnie McClurkin can do that too, and get over his reaction formation.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 09:06 AM
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86. dsc...
:hug:
That is all.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 09:06 AM
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87. K&R, friend
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 09:41 AM
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90. I think we get it. And if we don't, we can read any of the other 1000 threads on the subject.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 10:05 AM
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91. Another straight man cheering you on, DSC!
It took a lot of courage to go through all you've suffered and arrive at a place where you're at peace with yourself. Obama never had my vote, but he would have lost it if he had, for the reasons you've spelled out alone. It's appalling that there are still hate mongers like McClurkin around in the 21st century.
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 10:19 AM
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92. Well said, dsc!
This isn't about Hillary, John, Bill, Chris, Dennis, Mike, Joe, or anyone else. Barack chose to associate himself with Donnie and all he stands for. His supporters here, not all of them but many of them, are defending the indefensible and behaving irredeamably.

Thank you for pointing out so eloquently what should be obvious.

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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 10:29 AM
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93. I have a lot of respect for you DSC
Always have, And I totally appreciate how this would affect you. I am sorry that he made the choice to allow this guy on stage and it is a black mark on Obama in my eyes.

I still haven't really picked my horse yet. Though I definitely have my druthers. I do know that a Hillary presidency scares me in several different areas.

I really don't believe Obama is anti Gay by any means.I do think it is incredibly insensitive of him however not to recognize the issue though especially considering the outrage shown before the event even started. Rookie mistake? I don't know. Its certainly not something the right wing will be able to use against him.

Sorry, I am making light of something that really isn't funny at all.

Bottom line for me I guess is throw it in the book of black marks , all of the candidates have warts. This one is definitely a fairly large one. I don't for a minute however believe Obama would ever oppose gay rights legislation. It does however make me wonder if he would actually push for it.

So I'll throw it in the pile watch how he reacts to the push back from this. And come caucus day here I'll use it to weigh my decision of what to do with my vote.

I totally understand the need to bring attention to this issue and I think it is appropriate to do so. I think theres a lot of hyperbole being displayed in a lot of the posts implying that Obama is actually anti gay some how while his record seems to show that isn't the case at all.

I am sorry that it was so hard for you growing up. Happy though to hear that you have finally found comfort in who you are. From what I have read from you over the years you seem to be a very decent human being and you deserve to be nothing but proud of yourself.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 11:11 AM
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94. Thanks for sharing your story....
:hug:


"I know Donnie is a charlatan. But does the current crop of 17 year olds, do their parents? What will happen to them?" :(




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tbl92666 Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 11:50 AM
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96. Finally saw some video clips of the event on Olbermann, last night...
As a gay man, its laughable that Donnie would think that he's passing for straight: the perfectly plucked eyebrows; the pencil-thin John Waters moustache. And then there were the gestures -- right out of The Handbook of All Things Drag Queen (Begginers Edition).

DSC's point is well-taken and cannot be emphasized enough; every gay person knows that ex-gays are the worst kinds of liars -- the opposition uses them and that is sad. The real tragedy is that some kid who is struggling hears their message of hate and it amplifies the tape that comes hard coded and is already playing loud and clear in their head. Hopefully, they will stay strong and not be weak like Donnie and the other ex-gays. If, however, just one kid that was struggling in that audience can't cope and Donnie's message sends them over the edge and they hurt themselves, then that karmic blood is on Donnie's hands -- it doesn't matter that he is a weaking, the blood is on him.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 11:57 AM
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97. You say: I look back at that time in my life and wonder just what I was thinking.
You were probably thinking what any normal person would think if they realized that their life style "choice" was so disdained, hated, vulgarized and punished.

One only has to think of Matthew Shepard to realize that this is not a popular way to be.

Excellent essay.Thank you for posting.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:00 PM
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98. Well said, dsc
It's not about us, it's about them - the "current crop of 17 year olds" and their parents.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:27 PM
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99. Thank you for sharing that
I am glad you are in a better place in your life. :hug:
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BonnieJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:27 PM
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100. Exactly
Thanks so much for this. EVERYONE knows someone or many people who are gay. They are not some foreign group of people who we will never meet or know. They are our brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, friends. THEY ARE OUR CHILDREN. Anyone who tries to shame, dismiss, discount or diminish gay people do NOT count. They are in the same league as the KKK and deserve nothing except our contempt.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:28 PM
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101. Thanks dsc.
(Also I can see that I put the "right" people on my ignore list.)
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:02 PM
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103. What an awesome post. Kudos.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:15 PM
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106. And the issue is continuing to give McClurkin a forum to spread HIS (not Obama's) message
Edited on Tue Oct-30-07 02:16 PM by CreekDog
It's antithetical to what Obama says he stands for. My issue is less that he has a performer who holds such a view, but that the venue was used by that performer to propagate a message. That this message was spread at an Obama event and nothing is being done to make sure it doesn't happen again.

What we get is a "disclaimer".

First, it makes many people doubt whether Obama's positions are genuine. I believe his positions are, but I don't speak for everyone or even most anymore.

Second, this issue is all we are hearing about Obama at the moment and it doesn't paint him flatteringly anymore.

I have really turned the corner on this issue and that happened the moment McClurkin turned Obama's event into his own "revival" and I am disappointed that Obama is not reigning it in and making it reflect his own values as a candidate.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:05 PM
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107. Excellent post.
:applause:
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:06 PM
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108. "defending the indefensible"- I can't add to that. recommended
Edited on Tue Oct-30-07 03:06 PM by dicksteele
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:18 PM
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109. K&R Hugs and thanks for posting this.
:hug: "defending the indefensible" - well put, thanks.
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 05:10 PM
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111. Thank You DSC
for sharing :hug:
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 05:55 PM
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112. I can't answer all of the kind words I got in this thread
but I appreciate them more than you can know. As disappointed as I have been with some of the blatant homophobia we have seen in the last week or so, I am more impressed with some of the great posts here.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 06:38 PM
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113. I am so glad you didn't lose yourself to that 'friend'
Edited on Tue Oct-30-07 06:41 PM by Whisp
You put so well what this story is really all about, and I thank you. If suffering builds character, then you sure are a character. ;) the best kind.
I'm just catching up on this story and I find it almost unbelieveable that Obama would allow this... I'm still looking for an 'excuse' or 'reason' on his part although I Know there isnt any. It's just so unbelievable.

on edit:
I think I misunderstood who your friend was. I took it as the bottle but suspect it is something else. sorry.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 06:43 PM
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114. No you took it right the first time
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