The Nation on Obama's new aggressiveness: "That's Embarassing"

[wyldwolf]

Not my favorite stop on the web, but I thought the Nation has a serious case of Obama love.

OBAMA TEST MARKETS HIS "BOLD" NEW AGGRESSIVENESS...
Could there be anything less inspiring than a candidate who "tests" his plan to muscle-up a listless campaign by inviting in New York Times political reporters to vet his new "aggressiveness"?

Let's be clear that Barack Obama needs to take a tougher tack in what has turned into a decidely uphill challenge to Hillary Clinton's front-runner status in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination. Obama's recent speeches have been tiresome. Traveling with him earlier this month, I heard people in the crowds making concerned comparisons with John Kerry.

The freshman senator from Illinois knows he must begin distinguishing himself from the junior senator from New York. He did so, tentatively, in the interview that formed the basis for a front-page interview in Sunday's Times.

But let's ask ourselves this: How inspiring is it for Obama to "test-drive" his new aggressiveness to see if it passes muster with Sunday-morning pundits? Like the Bush administration, which leaks policy proposal in order to measure reactions, Obama is sampling sentiments before actually going on the attack.

The headline of the Times piece confirmed the calculation: "Obama Promises a Forceful Stand Against Clinton."

That's embarrassing.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?bid=45&pid=246634

[mark414]

1. eh, somebody prominent needs to call her out for triangulating, her vagueness

and her complete inability to be forthcoming and honest

[acmavm]

2. Somebody 'prominent' needs to call both Hils and Barry out for that

matter.

[Tellurian]

3. It's Obama who is looking for advise..

Tune in Tuesday night. Hillary will advise Obama.

[acmavm]

4. No doubt. After she consults the DLC and corporate America to see

what that advice should be.

[Tellurian]

5. What makes you think she needs to consult anyone?

Her name is Clinton, not Obama.

[...of J.Temperance]

7. Hillary has a brain of her own, she doesn't need to consult anyone in order to

Know what to do or what decision to make.

Considering Hillary is a DLCer, then it's totally normal for her to be expected to have discussions regarding policy with the DLC.

Dunno who Senator Obama is consulting with, his campaign is sort of all over the place....maybe he's consulting with the Magic 8 Ball and asking it what he should do next on the campaign trail!

[Ethelk2044]

13. Hillary will get her spanking like she never had before.

[...of J.Temperance]

22. And you know that Hillary is into spanking HOW exactly?

:popcorn:

[Tellurian]

36. you mean "knee capping" like Obama said?

[...of J.Temperance]

45. Did he really say that? Dammit I missed it....

What a disgusting comment from Obama....Hillary's going to beat him like a redheaded stepchild....she's ALREADY GOT him on the ropes and Iowa is STILL nearly three months away!

[Tellurian]

48. It follows, Obama draws the same "violent" supporters to his bosom

Obama said, he wouldn't "knee cap" Hillary, as in attacking her, because thats not what America wants.
Hard to believe this dilettante is an attorney...

[...of J.Temperance]

49. Using

Mafioso language ain't really cool for someone who's running for President....not that he's got a snowball's chance of even getting the nomination of course.

I predict between now and January, Senator Obama will have a really embarrassing meltdown.

[Tellurian]

52. agreed.. Obama's sense of entitlement is tedium ad infinitum..

Hillary needs to school him, Tuesday night!

GO HILLARY!

[FlaxieB]

55. Hillary is just a plain old dumb human being!

She continues to haul her serious baggage around and display her poor judgment skill set. You would think that after supporting the Iraq war that she would have the common sense not to support the Kyle-Lieberman Bill? Everyone's watching and she still fucks this up! This displays to me the ill nature of Hillary's thinking and her total support of GWB. She is just an old fashioned ass kissing Washington D.C. cronie who tows the political line, uses Bill's legacy to her benefit, hides behind her actions and point blame (at GWB) when things go wrong. Her cockiness is unbelievable but damn, she's just plain dumb!

She keeps on displaying her ineptness and total lack of common sense and good judgment. She keeps implying that one of the reasons the men in this campaign are targeting her is because she is a woman but they know that she has these aforementioned negative traits and that she is also ethically challenged. Tuesday's night debate will be a wake up call for the Democrats in this country when once again her inability to handle and answer the tough questions (the ones that she tries to cackle or joke her way out of and the avoidance of real world hypotheticals") will be exposed. It will not play this time. And once again the mass media will try and defend her and use the national polls to sell her positions. This bullshit has gotten old and needs to stop once and for all.:thumbsup:

[cuke]

9. Because up until now, no one has ever mentioned it

[creeksneakers2]

11. Triangulation

could also be called trying to find common ground or trying to build consensus. It's never called that about the Clintons though.

[...of J.Temperance]

12. Triangulation

Is logical and pragmatic in politics....the alternative to Triangulation is Gridlock, and nobody likes Gridlock because NOTHING ever gets done.

Most people don't like to spend their time arguing, most people like to find common ground where common ground can be achieved, it makes sense....Triangulation IS common sense.

[hedgehog]

33. When I hear the term "trianguation" it implies concealing the actual

policy differences, not resolving them. It implies tellling one audience one thing and a second audience something else. It works as long as the two audiences don't compare notes and as long as all the language is kept very vague.

[MethuenProgressive]

18. Will he swap his $800 loafers for a pair of K-Feds?

It's a riot to hear his phony "y'alls" - maybe he'll go "really" tough and strip down to the wifebeater tee shirt next...

[Tellurian]

40. Even better when he calls Castro and Ahmadinejad ..."folks"..

:rofl:

[...of J.Temperance]

6. Senator Obama is now thinking that he's like

A Heavyweight!

Senator Clinton against Senator Obama in the Primaries from January-late February is going to be like....Rocky Marciano (Hillary) v Artie Donato (Obama) in 1949....Hillary will take him in the First Round and it'll be a KO.

Obama's new "aggressiveness" will be no match for Hillary's stamina and experience.

[wyldwolf]

8. “I’m LeBron James, baby. I can play on this level. I got some game.”

:rofl:

[...of J.Temperance]

10. Lol!

:rofl:

[Ethelk2044]

14. He is not that one flip flopping all over the place like she is drunk

[...of J.Temperance]

20. That was rather a crass comment....calling Hillary "drunk"

*Sigh*

[MethuenProgressive]

24. Flip Flop? He was *for* invading Iran befre he was *against* it .

He cosponsored a bill like K/L way back in April.
And then his pollsters told him to flee DC when the next similar bill came up for a vote.

[jefferson_dem]

31. Bullshit.

Please stop parroting this lie. Do you need a refresher?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3649834#3649994

[MethuenProgressive]

38. Truth, according to MSNBC First Read.

from MSNBC:

Dueling Memos: After the Bush Administration's announcement yesterday of sanctions against Iran, which sparked another round of infighting among the Democrats, close observers of the Dem race just knew they were coming: the campaign memos. The Obama camp fired off theirs first yesterday afternoon, blasting Clinton for voting for the Lieberman-Kyl measure (which Obama argues contains language offering a new rationale for keeping US troops in Iraq). Then Team Hillary responded with its own memo: "Stagnant in the polls and struggling to revive his once-buoyant campaign, Sen. Obama has abandoned the politics of hope and embarked on a journey in search of a campaign issue to use against Senator Clinton. Nevermind that he made the very argument he is now criticizing back in November 2006. Nevermind that he co-sponsored a bill designating the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a global terrorist group back in April. If Senator Obama really believed this measure gave the President a blank check for war, shouldn't he have been in the Senate on the day of the vote, speaking out, and fighting against it?"

http://www.FirstRead.MSNBC.com

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[Ethelk2044]

15. What experience she has very limited experience. He has more experience than she has

Give a fucking break. Her experience in the White House amounts to Laura Bush qualifying to be Prez.

[...of J.Temperance]

19. Senator Obama's experience is

What exactly? Remind me again?

[Ethelk2044]

39. 8 years in state legislature and 2 plus years in the Senate

[...of J.Temperance]

47. Wow! THAT much experience huh?

:sarcasm:

I MEAN WHAT'S 8 years in a STATE LEGISLATURE to Hillary's near EXACT same time as a United States Senator and 8 years of experience in the WH, Hillary was WAY MORE politically operational in the WH than The Stepford Wife Laura Bush has been.

Senator Obama is a novelty candidate, he ain't going nowhere, like I've already said, come January 20th, 2009 he'll STILL be Senator Obama....he's NOT going to recover from shooting himself in both feet by hitching his caboose to the gay bashing Preacherman....Obama's campaign is effectively finito NOW and that's before any Primary has even taken place.

You think Senator Clinton's campaign is going to let Obama forget his FU's? No chance.

[wyldwolf]

54. a part-time state legislature

[cali]

23. don't let hate cloud your thinking

She has 7 years in the U.S. Senate. She's an experienced attny. She worked on a key committee during Watergate, and also worked for the CDF. And yes, she has political and policy experience from her years in Arkansas and in the White House. It's hardly a secret that the disasterous health care proposal was hers. Comparing her experience to laura bush's is just moronic.

And he's qualified too, but not nearly as experienced at campaigning as she is.

[MethuenProgressive]

25. "He has more experience than she has"? Are you bad at math, or history?

Or just bad at both? :rofl:

[Ethelk2044]

41. Nope but you are. I do not take being a wife is experience. Laura and Barbara Bush

should run with your logic. Matter of Fact they asked Laura Bush today on Fox if her experience qualified her as president since Hillary was trying to do the same.

[MethuenProgressive]

43. "they asked Laura Bush today on Fox" Ah... so that's where this is coming from.

Change the channel.

[...of J.Temperance]

50. Yeah, I recommend....

The Cartoon Network to that person, there's some great stuff on that channel, I find it VERY informative....in fact I get 99% of ALL of my information and ideas from The Cartoon Network :dunce: :blush:

[...of J.Temperance]

46. I refer you to post # 23

You insisting on comparing Senator Clinton to Laura Bush is beyond absurd....you're already looking pretty silly.

[DemFemme]

37. Hillary has spent less time as an elected official than Obama. That's a fact.

Any other experience she's had is shared by Barbara and Laura Bush. That's another fact.

No lies here.

[Think82]

16. I think people in the Obama camp should look at Joe Biden more closely... Hillary's too

HE has both of their strengths, and virtually no weaknesses, and is way more electable in the GE than either one.

[jefferson_dem]

17. You're on a Barack-bashing roll today.

Why resort to such desperate slimings if your "girl" is supposedly ahead by so much? Unless...she's not.

[MethuenProgressive]

21. Why would BO resort to desperate slimings if he's "so electable"?

Because... he's not. :rofl:

[jefferson_dem]

27. Boooo...

By the way, did you see Dodd on MTP today? He did a good job highlighting the differences between the bill Obama co-sponsored and Kyl-Lieberman. In case, you were still struggling with that.

[Ethelk2044]

42. He is telling it like it is only fools can not tell when Hillary is not answering questions

Plus only fools will vote for someone who flip flops on issues so fast it makes your head swim. You never know where she stands because she does not know until she walks in the room and see who she is talking too.

[wyldwolf]

26. Just imitating you.

[jefferson_dem]

28. Thanks.

Not sure it's deserving but it is the most sincere form of flattery... So i'll take it.

:toast:

[wyldwolf]

32. you're welcome. Your smear posts are an inspiration.

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[wyldwolf]

44. thanks to a PM, we know who you are now...

sock puppet.

[DemFemme]

29. Who cares what The Nation thinks? n/t

[jefferson_dem]

30. Actually, I rather enjoy their perspective pieces and editorials.

From time to time they are way off base, however. Like this time...

[NewHampster]

51. Thanks for the link wyldwolf

Go Hillary

[emilyg]

53. I share your sentiment. Go Hillary.