Obama was my candidate... however, now...

[Colobo]

He is still my candidate! Gobama! :)

I'm not gonna stop supporting my candidate just because of a disturbed fundie singing on a gospel event.

[Ethelk2044]

1. I agree Katz

[Dawgs]

2. Agree.

[Nutmegger]

3. The haters will be here any minute now....

:yoiks:

[Cha]

25. I was looking at Obama but

I don't like that bigot donnie mcwhatever. Obama needs to get donnie's selfhating-ass off his fundraising program. That's just decent politics 1-0-fucking-1.

[dionysus]

4. prepare for the "BIGOT TOUR" spam brigade o brave one ;)

[cuke]

5. You're not helping your candidate or yourselves

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[IndianaJones]

12. shining a light on bigotry and support for it is now trolling? nt.

[dionysus]

27. it's a big stretch to paint Obama as a bigot over this.

stupid move, yes. Barack a homophobe? stretch.

[IndianaJones]

46. I'm sure its a big stretch if you support the guy. nt.

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[dionysus]

35. is what I'm sayin.

[fightindonkey]

104. He Is A Bigot And Just Proved It

Face reality!

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[Goblinmonger]

29. Yes, that's right

Anyone who doesn't like what Obama did is a troll. Check out my post count and number of days on board and call me a troll. I dare you.

I can't believe that people won't call out their own.

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[cuke]

43. I am unemployed

I live with my mother who has Alzheimer's. All I do all day, every day, is sit here and watch her. Sometimes, we take a little walk.

And I didn't say anything about Obama. I referred to some of his supporters

[Bluebear]

44. the best to you and Ma, and welcome to DU.

:hug:

[cuke]

48. Thank you

[dionysus]

51. well, fair is fair then, and i apologize for calling you a troll.

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[dionysus]

59. ok, i take back my apology troll :)

get a job ya fucking bum :)

[MADem]

125. You're employed, you just aren't being compensated for it. NT

[jefferson_dem]

54. By expressing support for his candidate?

Fuck that.

[cuke]

60. The disingenous act is getting old

you may be the only one who thinks this thread was merely an expression of support, without connection to recent events

[jefferson_dem]

64. Who said I think that?

In fact, the OP references the controversy. Seems to me that you think DUers are not allowed to publicly support Obama now, or if they do they deserve a good "stoning." Am I wrong on that?

[cuke]

66. "Yes" and

"Was that a rhetorical question?"

[jefferson_dem]

68. It wasn't rhetorical.

I appreciate your answer, in all its brevity.

Then...the follow-up: Why blast the OP for merely saying he still supports his candidate, even in light of the recent controversy?

[cuke]

74. Blast?

Are you really that sensitive?

IIRC, I said "You are not helping your candidate"

That's a "blast"?

[jefferson_dem]

85. Well...that's all relative.

But you dodged the question.

[cuke]

86. Tell me where it hurts

and I answered the question. There was no blast. It's all in your head

[StrongBad]

6. Obama's not my first choice

But I do think this controversy is a little blown out of proportion. The reason why this guy who holds bigoted beliefs is on this faith-community based tour is because he's a well known gospel singer.

It's not as if he's going to be given a platform to spout his views or preach hate, he's going to sing and that's all.

If we allow ourselves to get bent out of shape over this, we risk invoking a precedent whereby anyone whose work or art we enjoy must be scrutinized to make sure their beliefs match ours completely.

As long as this "reverend" keeps his mouth shut when not singing I don't see what the huge issue is.

[dmallind]

7. yeah...

...what he said.

[Bluebear]

18. Are you gay? (re: "I don't see what the huge issue is.")

[Cha]

28. I'm not but I see the issue..

Obama needs to tell donnie to go sing with ghouliani, thompson, mccain, huckabee or any of those faux religious peddling panderers to the zealots hardasses.

[Bluebear]

32. But you 'get it' and always have.

And I love ya :)

[Cha]

47. Oh, that's so sweet..you

made my fucking day. :) :loveya:

[NMMNG]

98. Bravo! Someone who gets it.

:applause:

Bigotry and religion do not need to go hand in hand--unless people want them to.

[Cha]

100. Gotta be so smart and head them off

at Every pass!

[StrongBad]

42. No I'm not

Nor do I agree in the slightest with anything this guy says. However, my main point has to do with the fact that he's a singer who a lot of religious people seem to enjoy. Since I personally enjoy the art of some people whom I think are less than stellar human beings, am I wrong in still appreciating what they have to offer creatively?

As I said, as long as this guy doesn't preach this stuff during the tour I don't really care. Because if I did care it means that I would have to investigate everybody whose work I enjoy to make sure they are 100% in lock-step with me.

I don't want to live like that.

[Bluebear]

50. This is not just a "concert". It's political. And it is a big deal to many gay people.

And if you were running for President, I would hope you would care enough to make sure the people representing you are cool.

And yes, for me that would mean "100% lockstep" for equal rights.

[StrongBad]

62. I get what you're saying

But the tone I'm getting from your posts is that you think Obama is personally taking delight in doing this event with a homophobe even though I'm sure at heart the choice was purely political in nature - an attempt to cull some support where he has some credibility - from a demographic that is usually ignored and written off.

Yeah it sucks that his rhetoric of hope and optimism have turned 180 degrees in recent weeks, but did you really expect any different? One needs to do what it takes to win, especially if you're behind the frontrunner and need to make some moves fast.

[Bluebear]

71. Well in culling that support he has lost other support.

He could have had both. There are many gospel singers that are not outspoken nutcase homophobes. And you're right, he is doing what he thinks he needs to do to win, screw hope and optimism, and in that he has revealed himself.

It's fine, life will go on, but I won't pull the lever for him in the NH primary.

[Cameron27]

96. Yep

Just on election strategy alone, this was a dumb, dumb move.

[KittyWampus]

108. Donnie is more than a singer. He is, as you say a Reverend. One who actively espouses

hateful positions and attitudes towards gay people.

So even though he is just singing, he stands on stage with his rhetoric around him.

I agree he should not be performing.

My issue is with the posts that then started in on other performers who've said homophobic things but aren't making a living or career out of doing that.

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[terrya]

11. That knife wound in the back is still hurting me.

I watched that GLBT Presidential Forum a few weeks back...and I saw my Senator, Barack Obama (I live in Illinois) say some nice things about GLBT equality and all. And then...this. As a gay man, a gay Democrat and a gay constituent of Senator Obama's, I feel betrayed and angry over this whole incident. This is showing me a side of my Senator that I don't very much like.

And what's worse is the "fuck you" attitude around here that you mention. I agree with your post 100%.

[Bluebear]

13. Not only to quietly move along but to callously post "Gobama!!" in conjunction with it.

Unreal.

[dionysus]

23. faux outrage much?

[Bluebear]

31. "Faux", how fancy.

[dionysus]

34. what, is that too big of a word for you?

[Bluebear]

36. Cute. Have a good day.

[dionysus]

38. have a good one yourself :)

[MADem]

40. I don't think the poster's outrage is faked at all.

If it were your ox being gored I imagine you'd be angry, too. Where we stand depends on where we're sitting.

Getting angry at the posters who have difficulty with this turn of events isn't very compassionate, either, IMO. There are lots of arguments put forth about Obama that are picky bullshit (Oooh, should Obama wear his flag pin to placate people? Why fuck no!) but this isn't picky bullshit. It just isn't.

It's ten percent of the country that he's, by association with a gay hating asswipe, disrespecting. Yo--GAY PEOPLE--pay NO attention while I hang around with this gay-hating asshole...I don't REALLY mean it, nudge, wink--I'm just trolling for votes amongst the stupid Holy Haters....get it?? That sort of thing is the opposite of behavior with integrity. It's ... opportunistic. Sleazy.

Can he recover? Sure. EASILY. Plenty of time.

He started on the path to recovery with that statement he made. He needs to go further, parse less, speak plainly more. And dump that fucker from his gospel tour, NOW.

After he's done, he needs to fire that asshole of a "religious advisor" he has on staff. I hope that guy wasn't WELL paid for his "work"--I'm guessing some of those gays who donated to Obama might want their money back, rather than have it go to that tone-deaf clown.

[dionysus]

49. i agree with your post

and I could be wrong, but I think in this case you will see a lot of non-Obama supporters jumping in on this claiming to be personally outraged when it's just an opportunity for them to jump in and sling around "homophobe" and "bigot". certainly not all of people offended by this, but definitely a percentage.

peace

[MADem]

97. Full disclosure on my part.

I am not an "Obama supporter" but I am not a "Clinton supporter" or an "Edwards supporter," either.

Or a Biden, Richardson, Dodd, and so on and so on supporter!

I honestly have not made up my mind. I like them ALL. I wouldn't shoot myself no matter who gets the nomination. Truly. Well, there are maybe two that I don't think stand a chance, and I might be a little angst-ridden if one of those way-left-fielders got the nod, but Obama ain't in that tiny group.

However, because I am not in any hurry to "pick one" I am grazing, liesurely, on the meadows of their candidacies, and I am not just looking at their stances on essential issues, I am also looking with a close eye at the overall management of their campaigns (it does speak to the ability to wrangle staff, delegate, and--and this is important--control the news cycle, which is what Monkeyboy's crew were so good at), how they advance their agenda through appearances (personal, TV and other venues), their ads--TV, radio and print--and their public affairs/spokesperson's interactions with the media. I'm taking it all in, stepping in and looking at the minute details, and stepping back and looking at the panorama of it all.

I am giving my honest reaction as an "undecided"--this business gives me a queasy feeling in my gut. It just doesn't feel right.

Add to that, I just learned from the tee vee that the gospel singer in question is one of those "Ex-Gay" fellahs! Yeah, we know how well that shit works out. It ain't like being an ex-smoker! No wonder he's so vitriolic. He's living a loathsome lie.

[hisownpetard]

120. Thank you so much for your well-reasoned and well-written posts on this thread.

I am an Obama supporter, from the first time I heard him speak.
However, this issue has been quite upsetting to me and it's hard to get to the bottom of it with so many conflicting opinions
being flung around. Yours, however, did clarify it for me to an extent.

Initially, my reaction was that I wanted to absolve Obama for what I thought was an unintentional scheduling mistake.
I'd never before heard of Donny McWhosis, even thought it seems likely that Obama did.
However, once it became known that this man was not just a singer but also a Reverend and a vocal anti-gay "I've-been-cured!" crusader,
it really did make me queasy.

If David Duke could sing and if he had been booked to appear at the same place as Obama, would there have been different action taken?
If so, then Obama's lack of action in this regard has to be wrong. Someone who's anti-gay should be just as morally reprehensible
to him as someone who's anti-black. Right? This is really a hard one for me because, as I said, I really like Obama.

I'm sort of thinking out loud here. Would appreciate your opinion.

[MADem]

122. Honestly, this is what I think.

I think Obama is suffering from an experience deficit in the way he is handling this. And that deficit comes STRAIGHT from his staff. They're letting him down, here, and they aren't quick on their feet AT ALL. They seem to be wrapped up in a bullshit South Carolina strategy, and they just aren't seeing how this could blow back on them nationally. And they NEED to see that.

I'm NOT suggesting that Obama is "too inexperienced" to be President--not at all. This is a staff thing. But this is one of those things that old school campaigners just know how to handle. Obama shouldn't have to get down in the weeds on this and start barking orders, but he might need to--a course correction is needed, toute suite. If I were advising him, I'd say this:

You stop, you turn on a dime, you jettison the problem (if you can get "the problem" to have laryngitis or something, so much the better), you substitute something better that will pull the crowds in, and you move on swiftly and smartly.

Your initial remarks about that Closet McLurkin singer (or whatever his self-loathing name is) shouldn't have been open to interpretation (someone here did a good parsing of them yesterday, it was quite cogent and sharp) but since they were, you issue one more declarative and strong statement, maybe on a gay-themed program (I'm ignorant--does LOGO have a news or current events show?).

He should get an interview--not go on the show, have a correspondent come to him for a five minute spot on the campaign trail. His campaign should be VERY NICE to the interviewer, too! His remarks to the reporter should include a statement along the lines of "If I let ANY of my loyal supporters in the GLBT community think, for a SINGLE second, that I wouldn't defend them with my last breath, I do apologize because that was NOT my intent"--or words to that effect.

He needs to do the direct, look in the eye expression, the clear, sincere voice--he needs to "sell" the statement, because his staffers did fuck up--there can be NO ambiguity. He knows how to do that--most politicians do.

Then, I'd put the issue to bed. Refuse to engage beyond the old--"I've said what I said, now I want to talk about HEALTH CARE/THE IRAQ WAR/OUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE--in that "Don't Give Me Shit" declarative voice.

Next, he needs to do an "Actions Speak Louder Than Words" proposal--introducing or co-sponsoring a measure in the Senate that is important to the GLBT community -- not RIGHT away, that's pandering, too--but down the line a ways. Staff needs to do research and pick a good proposal--something that is fairly (forgive the expression) straightforward, that has wide appeal, but hits closely and meaningfully with the GLBT community.

That's how I think he can stop the bleeding. It's bad, though--it's all over the doggone Tee Vee. It feels to me a little like teeth sinking in his neck, because it's coming from all sides.

If he doesn't nip this in the bud now--and he still has time, I think--instead of tripping along, singing Lalalalalala like it's no big deal, it could be his Macaca moment--a little thing that got bigger and bigger and bigger because of frozen inaction by a candidate.

He's better than that. But maybe his damned staff isn't... If you know anyone on his central team, tell 'em I said so!

[terrya]

53. Thank you.

No, this is NOT picky bullshit. A lot of us are seething right now. And I'm getting pissed reading of the patronizing "there, there, you're just being silly" crap directed towards those people who are genuinely hurt and outraged about this.

I agree with you. Obama needs to jettison that bigot NOW. And firing the adviser who recommended this needs to be done as well. This incident has caused major damage with the GLBT community. And if Obama wants to write off the GLBT vote, that's his decision to make.

[MADem]

93. There's no need to thank me, though I appreciate the thought. It's simply

the way thinking people ought to approach this whole matter. Obama's actions are causing cognitive dissonance, seriously so, to those who have placed him well left of where he apparently wants to stand (at least, while he is in South Carolina). If it's not being opportunistic, it's pandering to one group, and expecting the other group to "understand" because there's a greater goal in mind.

I have to wonder if Obama's been reading Caro's MASTER OF THE SENATE. This sounds an awful lot like the same thing LBJ would pull while he was trying to navigate the minefield of civil rights legislation and get a small measure of voting rights during the Ike administration. On the one hand, he'd tell the Black community to have patience, and then he'd turn around and reassure a bunch of southern crackers about 'holding the line' with the "Nigras." He had his own agenda, and back in the day, you actually COULD get away with that shit because one side never talked to the other, and even NEWS was segregated--how many crackers read black papers, or Ebony and Jet?

Nowadays, with ever-present, 24 hour GOTCHA news, you cannot do that. And because you can't, you shouldn't try. It comes across as insincere, at best. Pandering, at worst.

I don't think there is a soul here who thinks Obama hates gays, or wants to exclude them. It's just that what he appears to be doing is telling them to sit down and shut up, that he'll get to them eventually, that they, right now, but ONLY just for now, are "LESS THAN" and they'd better just BE QUIET about it until he wins the White House, and then...Oh Happy Day.

OTOH, he's telling the Fundies, by the deed of appearing with this loathsome creature if not with words, that he'll "hold the line" (like LBJ did) on those pesky gays. There might not be any rights ROLLBACKS, but there might not be ADVANCES either.

I just heard on MSGOP that he's not cancelling, and not backing down. So far, anyway. I guess that's the 'Get Over It' message, right there. He'll get to you guys eventually...????

It's a dumb strategy, IMO. And make no mistake, this IS strategy. I think he may have looked at his own internal polling in the early states, and he's getting bad news. And that's why he's tacking to the right with a huge 'pander to his peeps'--SC has a HUGE black voter base, it's like half the voters, or at least half that turn out. I think he's pinning hopes for a surge, assuming he doesn't shake out well in Iowa and NH, on SC.

Of course, I think it's a mistake to play that race card, too. The black voter is probably the most critical, most practical voter in America, and they'll see that coming a mile away. They study the issues better than most, they go with strength (and understand their OWN strength as a group), they prefer results over bullshit, they aren't ideological purists who cut off their noses to spite their faces, and they don't go for appeals that appear to pander.

I think Obama is in a real ugly minefield here, and I don't think he has Johnsonian skill to navigate through it. I wonder who is giving him this incredibly shitty advice--it's just...NOT GOOD. IMO.

FWIW, I am still an undecided voter--haven't picked anyone yet, so there's no intention to be "mean" to Obama--I'm just stepping back and seeing what I see. I was liking some of his message, but this business is a bit ... icky, I guess. It is troubling.

[tigereye]

107. nicely said, terry!

[Forkboy]

58. Not fair, and flat out wrong.

[terrya]

61. This is insulting.

Bluebear is PISSED about this. As am I. As are others. To patronizingly put down his genuine outrage is insulting. Of course, you probably meant that....

[IndianaJones]

17. the knife isn't in your back. nt.

[FedUp_Queer]

94. Hmmmm...

I seem to remember all the hullabaloo we made about Chucklenutz going to Bob Jones University and speaking. He tried to weasel out of that...but people, justifiably so, gave him shit for it. There were no excuses afforded The Chickenhawk in Chief. So, now I can say I WANT the confederate flag to fly over South Carolina's statehouse because, hey, it's just a crazy group of GOPers who want it in Columbia.

GODDAMMIT, as a gay person I am sick and fucking tired of being the only group left who everyone is allowed to bash and criticize. I am sick of people making excuses for hanging around virulently anti-GLBT people and people looking away, tongue in cheek. I'm sure there are just so many good, white preacher men who just have a problem with the "dirty nigras." We can just agree with them, except "that" part. I guess Mussolini DID have the trains running on time...so he had that going for him.

[IndianaJones]

14. I have to ask a very blunt question...

Are you in any way shocked or surprised at this reaction?

[Bluebear]

16. Thank you for bringing me back down to earth.

Yes, I was surprised to see this gleefully callous post, but as you intimate, I have no idea why I should be surprised, the way the GLBT community is often regarded here. I say often because many, many people truly "get it", but then comes one along . . .

[MADem]

45. I think most "get it." I mean, really.

In this day and age, who doesn't have an OUT gay relative? If they say they don't, odds are good they're lying.

Don't allow one clueless and insensitive individual to color your overall perception. That's the EXCEPTION here, not the rule.

Sometimes, partisan enthusiasm can overwhelm judgment. This seems to be an instance of that happening. You have to ask yourself, if this association with a known homophobe was an issue for an "enemy" candidate, would the compassion for the gay community suddenly manifest itself? Why, I suspect it would...

All politics is local. But sometimes, you have to call it like it is, and hoist the BS flag when it's warranted, even if it is a favorite who is making the mistake.

[IndianaJones]

63. on that I widely diverge. nt.

[bigwillq]

111. Great post, my friend.

:thumbsup:

[nevergiveup]

9. Every campaign has a bigot here and there.

There just isn't anyway to totally purify one's staff or support base. In retrospect I am sure Obama regrets this unwise decision but his record on denouncing homophobia and supporting tolerance and equal rights for gays has been steadfast and clear. I also think it is likely that when all is said and done this "disturbed fundie" will not appear at these events.

[FedUp_Queer]

95. WRONG!!!

This is not just a minor staffer. This is a well-known anti-GLBT genocidal maniac. Would you make the same excuses if somebody had Mel Gibson at their rally, but the candidate insisted he wanted to reach out to Jews? When one's actions are screaming, all words are a whisper.

[denem]

19. Obama HQ from a poster familiar with them

"... a poll of African Americans in South Carolina:

Even though almost 75 percent of those polled felt that sex between two adults of the same sex was strongly unacceptable, or somewhat unacceptable, 47 percent also said they have a family member who is openly gay or lesbian, and almost 50 percent said they have a close friend in one of those categories."

"I suspect the decision was made by a South Carolina staffer focused on attracting South Carolina voters, not how the decision would play with the national electorate. In that sense, Donnie McClurkin wasn't politically that bad of an idea, given the views of the South Carolina electorate. The national campaign probably wasn't too focused on the choice of the gospel singers."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3635763

[denem]

41. *** Crickets ***

[IndianaJones]

88. disgusting. nt.

[zulchzulu]

20. I'd like to know what those so offended by someone singing at one gig with 3 other acts...

...would do if Donnie McWhoCares cancelled...

In their eyes, is Barack Obama, who clearly has a record supporting LGBT rights, forever to be branded a homophobe?

I've emailed the campaign asking to have him politely not perform and I disagree with his views, but that is solely up to the campaign to resonate about what to do.

What has been particularly troubling is that I and others have been called homophobes. I've personally have worked on LGBT issues since seeing my uncle die in front of me of AIDS years ago and having a gay brother, who has gone through various stages where he needed my support and love. I spent many hours in 2006 with many others here in Wisconsin doing grassroots efforts against anti-gay legislation.

Calling me a homophobe has irked me to no end. Those that call me or others who are obviously not homophobes will not stop the continuing work that needs to be done to make sure everyone has equal rights. This "eruption" tests one's dedication.

[Bluebear]

21. 'This "eruption" tests one's dedication.' -sorry,then the "depth" of your dedication is too shallow.

If this is all it takes.

[zulchzulu]

24. Thanks for that...

My dedication to LGBT rights is hardly shallow.

My day will be a lot better with you on Ignore. You have no clue and are childish.

Don't bother responding. I won't see your "message".

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[Bluebear]

65. Well.

That's a relief. :hi:

[Solon]

77. He said he put me on ignore, and lied about it, consider it a badge of honor. n/t

[Bluebear]

99. LOL

He got my response deleted, kinda hard when you are on ignore LOL!

[Forkboy]

102. See?

:D

[Bluebear]

114. Oh my, the deletions are crepping down the subthread!

Who would do such a thing? ;)

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[LoZoccolo]

30. People sometimes use the "homophobe" label to manipulate, not because it's true.

That's why you're seeing the discrepancy between the actual you and the one getting labeled.

[dionysus]

56. holy shit, twice in the same week i agree with a post of yours

what is the world coming to? ;)

[fightindonkey]

105. Or they call a spade a spade

You guys are something else.

[Catherine Vincent]

39. LOL!

You made me click on the thread for nothing! Damn you! :)

[jefferson_dem]

52. Of course.

Nobody else comes close!

O8bama!

[Colobo]

67. I can't believe people are suggesting I'm a bigot just

because I'm backing my candidate in the midst of a controversy about some fundie singer.

[Bluebear]

69. I haven't been this disappointed in you since you excused cockfighting as part of your heritage.

Really.

[Colobo]

70. We obviously disagree on many things

but I honestly think you have the wrong impression of me, and it's sad, because I truly believe we have a lot more in common than what you probably think.

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[IndianaJones]

76. ouch. nt.

[Bluebear]

79. That'll leave a mark. nt

[Colobo]

80. Who are you to say that I'm a homophobe?

You don't even know me. How come you have the guts to accuse me of such thing?

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[Colobo]

87. C'mon Solon

Look, had I been Obama, that guy Donnie wouldn't be in an event on mine. In fact, I hope Obama drops him from the gospel thing- he's offending many people by letting the guy sing and he should take than into consideration.

Now, I don't care too much about Obama's pandering to fundies across America, to be frank. I don't think Obama intends to hurt anyone, he just wants to appeal to black fundies, and I'm sure most gospel singers have similar views to the Donnie guy. It's a sad reality, but if we want to advance a progressive agenda in this country, we need to lure fundies to give us a chance so that we can win.

I believe Obama is a friend of the LGBT community. I truly do. He should not be distrusted just because he's trying to get some fundies to vote for him.

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[jefferson_dem]

72. Because still publicly supports his candidate?!

What the fuck has this place come to?

Totally disgusting!

[Colobo]

75. I sense some people were waiting for the right chance to

do this to Obama, and here it is. But if they think true supporters will be intimidated or swayed against our candidate, they are wrong.

[Bluebear]

78. LMAO!!! Yes, we were just WAITING to "do this to Obama"!

:rofl:

[Colobo]

81. I was not even talking about you.

[Bluebear]

82. Well that's good, because I had zero beef with him until this.

[incapsulated]

84. Then *just* say you are backing him

You had to bring up the "I don't give a shit about some fundie singer" as if this were a meaningless complaint.

You rub salt in the wound and then act all clueless.

Really, thank Christ some of you aren't working on real political campaigns.

[AtomicKitten]

90. Mine too.

But I also understand this may be a deal-breaker for some, and I respect that. In my view, Obama stands tall having been right on the war, and that resonates large with me.

I hope we can muster a mutual understanding and respect for these so-called deal-breakers that are as individual as they are passionate.

"Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so, too." * Voltaire

[2rth2pwr]

91. Touring with that homophobe is one thing

but dancing with a serial dog adopter and abandoner is quite another.

[incapsulated]

92. lol!

You win this thread.

[Name removed]

101. Deleted message

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[fightindonkey]

103. Barak O'Bigot Just Lost BIG TIME!

If Hillary invited David Duke, you'd be blasting the hell out of her. Don't let the door hit you on the ass Obama!

[PurityOfEssence]

106. So what is your threshold?

Shoving religion into the public arena apparently isn't a problem. Giving religion the cosmic blank of goodness to allow bigots the stage doesn't seem to be a problem. There are those other issues like being far too cozy with Medicine, Incorporated that don't seem to rattle you much. Making endless hay out of having been against the war at the time of the IWR while not mentioning the lack of opposition since then on issues of funding and withdrawal language doesn't seem to rise to the occasion.

What would do it?

[Catherine Vincent]

109. Maybe Obama's handlers should persuade him to drop this guy.

Because it's clear that his association is very offensive.

[William769]

110. Why don't you mention that gospel event is a fundraiser for Obama?

[Odin2005]

112. I'm ignoring all this Obama-bashing shit.

A socially conservative singer at a GOSPEL MUSIC event? the HORROR, the HORROR!!! :eyes: Oh, and I think I should mention that African-Americans as a group tend to be more socially conservative then the average Democrat.

[Bluebear]

113. Grand, do tell us your pet issues so we can "ignore" them too.

[Odin2005]

117. There is a difference between one-issue-ism and having "pet issues"

My "pet issues" are healthcare, stopping the destruction of the middle class, global warming, and energy independence (notice there are no social issues on the list). But I won't get bat-shit angry if a candidate is off on one or two of them if that candidate is otherwise progressive on the rest of the issues.

[Bluebear]

118. Well some of us are batshit angry & narrowed our voting menu down.

C'est la vie.

[Odin2005]

121. Sorry for your lack of reasonableness.

When the next Great Depression hits and the climate goes to hell I suspect people won't be caring about social issues.

[MADem]

123. Well, it isn't a pet issue if the issue is that everyone who is like ODIN2005 is "less than" the

rest of America. It just isn't.

This goes to the core of who gay people are.

It's like saying "You don't have as many rights as others, because you have blue eyes."

It's an endorsement, using religious justification, of discrimination against people because of what and who they are. Its purpose is to pander to religious voters.

It's especially ironic, too, because these same religious people to whom this hatred appeals are also convinced that God made everyone.

And God doesn't make mistakes, does (s)he?

[DemFemme]

124. "African-Americans as a group tend to be more socially conservative then the average Democrat"

You got that right.

[calteacherguy]

115. I knew you were going to say that.

Although I'm a Clinton supporter, in fairness I don't think he's done anything wrong. Maybe he had poor political judgment, but that's it. I just put up another thread about it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

116. This Thread Was Gutted

What happened?

Must have been a flameapalooza...

[hisownpetard]

126. "Gutted" - meaning?

[illinoisprogressive]

119. As much as bots keep hoping no obama supporter cares what they think

[William769]

127. We realty don't care what you think.

A bigot is a bigot is a bigot. And someone who supports a bigot is a bigot.

[MethuenProgressive]

128. I call Bull Shit.

You say: "just because of a disturbed fundie singing on a gospel event"
Nice spin.
But the Truth is:
"just because of Obama's refusal to remove a famous homphobic bigot singing on Obama'a Fundraising Gospel Tour because Obama's pandering to gay-hating evangelicals with deep pockets."
You also say:
"He is still my candidate! Gobama!"
You can have him.