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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:49 PM
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Hillary celebrates endorsement of anti-gay Reverend who compared homosexuality to thievery
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 05:51 PM by jefferson_dem
Rev. Harold R. Mayberry, senior pastor at First African Methodist Episcopal Church in Oakland...

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Religious groups on common ground
Many faiths oppose same-sex marriages
Don Lattin, Tyche Hendricks, Cicero Estrella, Vanessa Hua, Chronicle Staff Writers
Sunday, March 14, 2004

Like most religious opponents of same-sex marriage, the Rev. Harold Mayberry, pastor of the First African Methodist Church in Oakland, has preached against homosexuality to his congregation of 2,800.

However, he does not think a federal amendment is necessary. The scriptures direct people how to lead a moral life, he said.

"I'm comfortable in what I believe in," Mayberry said. "I'm not rejecting people. As God loves, we love. I don't reject thieves, I reject thievery.''

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/200...


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Hillary courts the the Reverend ---

Hillary Clinton Continues Push for Black Vote by Meeting with Bay Area Leaders
released on 08/16/07 at 09:08:22

Last week Senator Hillary Clinton stopped by the African American Art and Culture Complex for a meeting with Bay Area African-American ministers and community leaders.

"I thank all the leaders whom I met with for their contributions to our country and their commitment to fighting for civil rights and equality," said Clinton. "As President, I will partner with African-American leaders to ensure that the promise of America is realized."

The afternoon meeting, organized by Reverend Amos Brown of Third Baptist of San Francisco and Pastor Clarence Johnson of Mills Grove Christian Church, was an opportunity for African-American leaders to hear directly from Hillary Clinton on the issues that affect their community.

<SNIP>

http://www.emergingminds.org/magazine/content/item/5114


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And celebrates Mayberry's endorsement on her campaign website --

"Senator Clinton has an excellent concept about how she plans to address issues surrounding crime and education. She described how she has partnered with leaders in New York to create a charter school specifically for African American men and notes that the Allen Cathedral AME Church charter school in Jamaica Queens, New York could be used as a model of how to help educate African American young men. Her mentioning of the school shows that she's aware of outstanding successful examples of education in this country. The way she addressed the need for the federal government to partner with inner cities suggests that she's not just focusing on international issues but that she's concerned with domestic ones - particularly crime and violence in our communities. I want a president who knows how to strike a balance between addressing international and domestic challenges facing this country," said Reverend Dr. Harold R. Mayberry, Senior Pastor of First African Methodist Episcopal Church and Chairperson of Network for Interfaith Action.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=285...
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:52 PM
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1. He doesn't reject bugs, he rejects buggery. n/t
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:54 PM
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2. this & the obama stink say more about some black ministers than it does about candidates nt
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:55 PM
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4. Perhaps.
Consistency is important. We criticize all or we criticize none.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:56 PM
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5. Al Sharpton is head and shoulders above these fuckers...
and there are plenty of black leaders who do not believe as these homophobic assholes do.
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Sandaasu Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:03 PM
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14. I miss Sharpton
That's something that's been going through my head for the past couple of days. I really wish we'd hear more from him.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:05 PM
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18. Coretta Scott King I miss, what an inspiration and someone who definately carried the spirit of...
her husband with her.
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Sandaasu Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:08 PM
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23. Most certainly
She carried the torch so well, but sadly was ignored by so many. Repeat her words in front of some so-called "civil rights leaders" and they'd probably freak out at you.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. She believed in Equality for all, so simple, yet so profound...
I do hope, when the MLK memorial is completed, that she gets her due as well.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:59 PM
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10. Yea...because white minister's don't say these things...
LOL...excuse me while I laugh myself to tears.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:54 PM
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3. And she should denounce this motherfucker's ass as soon as possible as well...
I don't give a shit who the candidate is, do NOT associate with bigots, period.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:57 PM
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7. ?
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:59 PM
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9. You sir, just made a cheap shot...
Besides that, damned near every Democrat in the House and Senate has shaken hands with the pResident. I don't see how that makes a difference.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. Kucinich welcomed Bush* to Cleveland or wherever.
That means he attended and/or held a welcoming party.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:04 PM
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16. So? Do you have a point here?
Kucinich was operating in his official capacity as a Congressman in the House. What the fuck does that have to do with voluntary associations of candidates in an election season? Apples and oranges, my enemy, apples and oranges.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:08 PM
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22. Shaking hands and holding welcoming parties is voluntary.
This is a free country where you are free to speak truth to power; Kucinich neglected that and chose to stand by and be cordial to the one who wanted to pass the anti-gay legislation.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. Being cordial to him is one thing, endorsing him or celebrating his support is quite different...
but you already knew that, didn't you? Stop cluttering up this thread with your bullshit.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:52 AM
Response to Reply #12
84. Bush endorsed Kucinich?
On what planet or astral plane?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #3
28. Will you start a thread calling Hillary Clinton a homophobe?
Based on this news, you have to be consistent. Ya think?


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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:16 PM
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29. No, because I haven't started a thread calling Obama a homophobe...
Just some of his supporters. And when and if some Hillary supporters start in on homophobic shit, I'll call them out too.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:56 PM
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6. I think it's very irresponsible for any of the candidates to associate with these kinds of people nt
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:59 PM
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8. Nice try at deflection but it didn't work.
"Last week Senator Hillary Clinton stopped by the African American Art and Culture Complex for a meeting with Bay Area African-American ministers and community leaders."

Is she touring with him? I think not.

But we all know who is headlining the South Carolina BIGOT tour!
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #8
17. William. Dude. Be honest.
Are you seriously not troubled by this relationship? Thievery? She's promoting the endorsement on her fucking website.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:06 PM
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19. Be honest
You didn't give a crap about it until Obama got in trouble over this.

It won't work because the people who are seriously upset by this aren't Hillary supporters.

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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #19
24. Honestly...
Like everyone else, I had no clue about any of this until the past few days. Now...i'm interested in consistency.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:19 PM
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33. The question is...
What are you going to say to gay Obama supporters upset by this? Hillary did it, too?

It looks like you are just saying, everyone does it so, no issue.

That doesn't work.

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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #19
46. So Hilary supporters aren't upset by her association with the Rev???
I know several who would disagree with you.
They are offended.
They support HRC and they are offended.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:07 PM
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21. She's promoting
"Hillary Clinton Meets with Bay Area African-American Ministers and Community Leaders
More than 60 Ministers and Community Leaders Meet to Discuss Urban Policy Issues"

After all that is the headline.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 08:20 PM
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52. JD's headline falls into the Reductio Ad Absurdum category
when as you astutely point out the reality, William769:

"Hillary Clinton Meets with Bay Area African-American Ministers and Community Leaders
More than 60 Ministers and Community Leaders Meet to Discuss Urban Policy Issues"


and Jefferson Dem's absurd headline=

"Hillary celebrates endorsement of anti-gay Reverend who compared homosexuality to thievery"

Absurd headline = Absurd conclusions
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:16 PM
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30. His endorsement is on her web site... Donnie has a gig playing with 3 other acts on one night
No difference to you apparently... this perfectly illustrates not only how shallow you are but how shallow the Clinton campaign is as well.

On the "Embrace..." tour, Donnie McAsshole sings one night with three other acts. That's hardly touring with Obama... unless you're a rabid schmuck.


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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:20 PM
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34. Where is he featured on her website?
Before you call someone shallow you should know what your talking about. But then again, it's apparent you never know what your talking about.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:28 PM
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37. He isn't featured in her website
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 06:30 PM by cuke
He has one comment about Clinton quoted in an article about HRC's support of urban issues

And he hasn't endorsed Clinton, at least, not acccording to that press release. z isn't telling the truth, again
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:31 PM
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39. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. The OP is the same way
Yesterday, Socks the cat was going to ruin HRC's campaign. Today, Hillary was "endorsed" by a bigot
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #41
42. 1 out of 2.
Not bad.

Especially for you.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #42
43. So your defense is that you only lied once?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. One of the two comments you made is correct.
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 07:16 PM by jefferson_dem
Nobody I know of said or implied that Hillary's campaign was going to be brought down by the story that she ditched her cat. Unless...you can show otherwise.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:19 PM
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47. Still dont see any endorsement
You have an odd way of defending yourself.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:30 PM
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48. I have nothing to defend.
Let the parsing begin...

"Senator Clinton has an excellent concept about how she plans to address issues surrounding crime and education. She described how she has partnered with leaders in New York to create a charter school specifically for African American men and notes that the Allen Cathedral AME Church charter school in Jamaica Queens, New York could be used as a model of how to help educate African American young men. Her mentioning of the school shows that she's aware of outstanding successful examples of education in this country. The way she addressed the need for the federal government to partner with inner cities suggests that she's not just focusing on international issues but that she's concerned with domestic ones - particularly crime and violence in our communities. I want a president who knows how to strike a balance between addressing international and domestic challenges facing this country," said Reverend Dr. Harold R. Mayberry, Senior Pastor of First African Methodist Episcopal Church and Chairperson of Network for Interfaith Action."

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=285...

You said that some believed the cat story would lead to Hillary's downfall. I guess you've conceding that you exaggerated yet again. That's ok.

I'll see you in the next thread you stalk me on.



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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #48
49. I agree
You've got nothing
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:01 PM
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11. It's really a very simple rule
Don't associate with bigots. You lend their bigotry credibility if you do.

She's an idiot if she doesn't think this will bite her in the ass.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #11
53. Ah, you read the headline, not the text of the links..
read before smearing is good neighborly advise.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 08:28 PM
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54. The headline is accurate and the text is clear.
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 08:28 PM by jefferson_dem
The Reverend is an anti-gay bigot who compared homosexuality to thievery.

The Reverend endorses Hillary, which she trumpets on her own website?

Parse away...
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #54
70. Prove it!
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #70
72. I did. You ignored it.
Typical.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #72
74. No, I'm waiting.. You've had over 72 chances to make your case
and you can't, because selective observations do not make a convincing argument.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #74
76. Selective observation indeed.
Open thine eyes...
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #76
79. My eyes are open.. The burden of proof is on you..
fold your hands...your compelling(ness) is slipping.
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Sandaasu Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:02 PM
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13. Eh, that's not a good thingm for her, but...
I don't see anything saying that she's putting the guy on stage for the sake of fundraising. It's not the same.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #13
20. True.
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 06:07 PM by jefferson_dem
She only courted his support. Got it. And celebrates him and his endoresement on her website. That's all.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=285...
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:32 PM
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40. You're not being honest
1) HRC didn't court his support
2) He didn't endorse HRC
3) HRC doesn't "celebrate" anything. Her website includes one quote of his
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 08:33 PM
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56. There's no celebration of endorsement in your link Jefferson Dem..
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 08:35 PM by Tellurian
Here's the full text of your link:

"Hillary Clinton Meets with Bay Area African-American Ministers and Community Leaders
More than 60 Ministers and Community Leaders Meet to Discuss Urban Policy Issues"


On Friday, August, 10, Senator Hillary Clinton stopped by the African American Art and Culture Complex for a meeting with Bay Area African-American ministers and community leaders.

"I thank all the leaders whom I met with for their contributions to our country and their commitment to fighting for civil rights and equality," said Clinton. "As President, I will partner with African-American leaders to ensure that the promise of America is realized."

The afternoon meeting, organized by Reverend Amos Brown of Third Baptist of San Francisco and Pastor Clarence Johnson of Mills Grove Christian Church, was an opportunity for African-American leaders to hear directly from Hillary Clinton on the issues that affect their community.

Hillary Clinton outlined several key initiatives including her pre-K program and discussed the importance of early education that can help put children on the right path to a successful and productive life.


With respect to violence and re-entry, Hillary Clinton discussed her youth opportunity agenda and the importance of education. Clinton discussed the disproportionate number of men of color who are in prison, and how to ensure that they succeed when they are released. She outlined options including providing more vocational programs that train people who are returning to the workforce. The Senator noted that many industries, such as the auto and airline industry, have a shortage of trained workers and it would be wise to create and expand training programs for people who are unemployed so they can fill positions in these industries.

She also noted weaknesses in the Bush Administration, pointing to how they eliminated education programs in prison that would help people find work after their release, and also how the current administration did not do more to get guns off the street.

"Senator Clinton has an excellent concept about how she plans to address issues surrounding crime and education. She described how she has partnered with leaders in New York to create a charter school specifically for African American men and notes that the Allen Cathedral AME Church charter school in Jamaica Queens, New York could be used as a model of how to help educate African American young men. Her mentioning of the school shows that she's aware of outstanding successful examples of education in this country. The way she addressed the need for the federal government to partner with inner cities suggests that she's not just focusing on international issues but that she's concerned with domestic ones - particularly crime and violence in our communities. I want a president who knows how to strike a balance between addressing international and domestic challenges facing this country," said Reverend Dr. Harold R. Mayberry, Senior Pastor of First African Methodist Episcopal Church and Chairperson of Network for Interfaith Action.

Other topics discussed include Clinton's plans to provide universal health care, create good paying jobs, reduce American dependence on foreign oil, tackle violence in this country, and help make our communities stronger and safer.

"Hillary Clinton has answers for the questions on how to revitalize our urban communities. Her approach to handling public safety, youth violence and crime is timely. She is relevant because she will implement a comprehensive healthcare, employment and economic development plan. Because of her experience, she can extend and expand upon both Bill Clinton's and Lyndon Johnson's initiatives," said Paul Cobb, Bay Area community leader and publisher of the Oakland Post.

Throughout her career, Hillary Clinton has worked to protect civil rights and expand opportunities for African Americans. As President, Hillary Clinton will work to increase opportunities for African Americans - by improving our schools and our healthcare system, expanding access to capital, putting home ownership back in reach, cracking down on predatory lenders targeting African American communities, and making a national commitment to support young men of color who have fallen off track. Hillary will continue to champion civil rights and honor the legacy of African American trailblazers.


Latests NEW Endorsement Releases:

DO NOTE THE DATE ARE RECENT WITHIN A WEEK..
unlike your links Jefferson Dem..

* Central Valley Elected Officials and Democratic Leaders Endorse Hillary Clinton 10/22/2007
* Former ABC News Anchorwoman Carole Simpson Endorses Clinton 10/22/2007
* Clinton Vows To Rebuild Middle Class In New Ad Airing In Iowa, New Hampshire 10/19/2007
* Clinton Campaign Launches California Women for Hillary Council 10/19/2007
* Clinton Campaign Launches Georgia Women for Hillary Council 10/19/2007
* Clinton Campaign Launches Arizona Women for Hillary Council 10/19/2007
* Clinton Campaign Launches Washington, D.C. Women for Hillary Council 10/19/2007
* Clinton Campaign Launches Maryland Women for Hillary Council 10/19/2007
* Clinton Campaign Launches Arkansas Women for Hillary Council 10/19/2007
* Clinton Campaign Launches New Jersey Women for Hillary Council 10/19/2007
* Clinton Campaign Launches Colorado Women for Hillary Council 10/19/2007
* Clinton Campaign Launches New York Women for Hillary Council 10/19/2007
* Clinton Campaign Launches Chicago-Area Women For Hillary Council 10/19/2007
* Clinton Campaign Launches Missouri Women for Hillary Council 10/19/2007



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DJ MEW Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:03 PM
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15. It doesn't look like she is really celebrating an endorsement by him
Really it just looks like this guy happened to be at the meeting and liked a few of the things that Hilray had to say. If I am missing something in all of this and she really is proud of this endorsement she would be smart to put some distance between her and Mayberry.

Most people that I know that watched her performance on the Gay and Lesbian debate on LOGO were really disapointed in her, and several of my GLBT friends feel that Obama and Kucinich were the only two candiates to do well in that debate, although who knows how many actually watched that debate.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:19 PM
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32. Would having the endorsement on Hillary's web site not be considered "celebrating" the endorsement?
Donnie plays one night with 3 other acts. He's going to sing some song (hopefully to boos) and get off the stage.

Having someone who is just as bad if not worse endorsing Clinton and then having the endorsement proudly posted is a tad bit more emphatic in my view.


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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #32
36. STOP THE LYING!
SHOW THE ENDORSEMENT!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 08:37 PM
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57. HE CAN'T! Because it doesn't exist! nm
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:29 PM
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38. Correct, this whole thread is really stretching it
If I meet with an organized group of 60 people and a few of them turn out to be homophobic, is that the same thing as inviting those few homophobes to perform for my campaign?

Then again, people have said Bill showing up at a birthday party where he was performing was "the same thing".

Making this into a political game of football is only going to piss off the people really hurt by this. It doesn't help.

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:10 PM
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26. The difference is some singer who sings in one event with three other groups...
...and someone who not only endorsed Clinton but is also featured on her web site...

Where is the outrage, Clinton supporters? You're the ones who made this Donnie Crap an issue.

Is the Clinton campaign and web site for bigots and homophobes?

:shrug:

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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:18 PM
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31. When did Pastor Donnie McClurkin endorse Hillary Clinton?
Man what is it with you and endorsements? Where is he featured on her web site? I guess we just have more disinformation from you.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:21 PM
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:19 PM
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45. It's really sad to see people who have probably been the
recipients of discrimination finding it so easy to be the discriminators. How can they not get this?
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:51 PM
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50. Obama's in trouble for the exact same thing
http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/10/obama_campaign_de...

The Obama campaign is coming under fire for staging a campaign gospel tour that includes gospel singer Donnie McClurkin, an antigay crusader who has railed against "the curse of homosexuality."

Hillary, Obama or Edwards all have associations with people they disagree with on some topics. It would be impossible to run for president and win without associating with people who have different views.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 08:41 PM
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59. Hillary is in no trouble at all..
Obama's and Edwards campaigns are sinking like the Titanic and Obama in a last ditch effort is cultivating the BIGOT REPUBLICAN VOTE!
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okamichan13 Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:59 PM
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51. Ah, I get it now!
so if Hillary supports bigots, Obama can too!

Is that the point of this post? Seems like it. And actually this guy seems to be a lot better than Obama's gospel singer if bigotry can somehow be qualified.

And the worst part is Obama's half-hearted response, that basically says nothing, and tries to have it both ways.

Audacity? not of hope.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 08:42 PM
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60. If you read the links you would know the OP is absurd.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 08:29 PM
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55. K&R. nt
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 08:40 PM
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58. I don't see where he endorsed her
I'm confused

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 08:43 PM
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61. You're not confused...You're RIGHT!
:hi:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 09:04 PM
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65. Since the word "endorse" is not in the story...
It doesn't matter that the bigoted anti-gay Reverend has been courted by your candidate?

It doesn't matter that the bigoted anti-gay Reverend offers a glowing review of Hillary for President?

It doesn't matter that she is so proud of the bigoted anti-gay Reverend's glowing review that she posts them on her website?

Some standard you're working with there. :eyes:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 09:46 PM
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67. You should be thankful Hillary supporters
took the time to point out the error of your ways.

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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 09:53 PM
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69. I'll take your non-response as an "ENDORSEMENT"
of the bigoted anti-gay Reverend <---> Hillary relationship.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:00 PM
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73. Your extended analogy is asserting expertise without proof..
try again <---->
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:05 PM
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75. Focus. Which of these assertions, if any, do you refute?
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 10:08 PM by jefferson_dem
The bigoted anti-gay Reverend has been courted Hillary.
The bigoted anti-gay Reverend offers a glowing review (er...*near endoresement*) of Hillary for President.
Hillary is so proud of the bigoted anti-gay Reverend's glowing review that she posts it on her website.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:08 PM
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77. All of them... and NEAR endorsement ...ha ha!
come over here and I'll stamp "near endorsement" on your forehead!
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:13 PM
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78. Your easy.
Enjoy your red herring.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:17 PM
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80. a parting gift..
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StrongBad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 08:48 PM
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62. Did you provide an incorrect link?
Please edit your post. Your link is incorrect. The HillaryClinton.com website you linked to has no mention of an endorsement, but rather a political meeting she had with religious leaders - one of which thought she had some admirable qualities and plans to vote for her. Where is the endorsement link?
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 08:50 PM
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63. Words have meaning. "Endorsed" has a meaning in a political context
Why be willfuly disingenuous? You have a valid point, but you blow it with hyperbole.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 08:59 PM
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64. Red herring.
The word "endorsement" is not in the story. However, Hillary is actively seeking the bigoted Reverend's support. He gives her a glowing review. She posts the review to her website. So now I guess it's up to the bigoted Reverend whether he formally endorses her...as if that matters.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 09:38 PM
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66. Consistancy goes both ways.You defended Obama so defend Hillary.
I don't like this one either, but everyone knows you didn't give two shits about this until your guy was getting hammered.Either it bothers you or it doesn't, and you already made clear that this stuff doesn't bother you.Makes it pretty tough to take you seriously on this.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 09:50 PM
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68. I appreciate your point.
Consistency is important. Surely, we should hold Obama critics to the same standards and expect for them to be just as vocal in condemning Hillary.

Two other points, for the record:
First, *nobody* gave "two shits" about "this" because nobody knew about it before Aravosis broke the story.
Second, I don't think I was an "defender" of Obama, other than pointing out that the guilt-by-association meme was being carried too far.

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DemFemme Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:30 AM
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81. Well said. n/t
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 09:55 PM
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71. Matthew 7:3
"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"
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DemFemme Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:14 AM
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82. Both Hillary and Obama need to address the issue. n/t
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:44 AM
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83. It's the old "hate the sin, love the sinner" thing.
Religious types normally hold that view of homosexuality. He wasn't saying that being a homosexual is being a thief, he's saying it's sinful. But you have to realize that jacking off is still a sin to these people, pre-marital sex of any sort is still a sin to them. You pretty much have to take the whole "sinner" thing with a grain of salt. Sadly, enough people hold to these primitive ways of thinking that you pretty much have to have endorsements from some of them. To exclude them would be political suicide. As bad as this endorsement for Clinton may be I don't believe it is as bad in degree as having a fire breathing anti-homosexual type endorsing you. I don't believe the Rev. Harold Mayberry is being hateful, he's just brainwashed. It's not like this dude is a Fred Phelps type.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:51 PM
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85. kick
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:53 PM
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86. Has Hillary criticized Obama on this?
Or are you simply trying to deflect from the controversy..?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:32 PM
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87. Not that i've heard.
Edited on Tue Oct-23-07 02:33 PM by jefferson_dem
Her supporters have been in full Obama-bash mode, however. I'm not surprised many have assume the old "double-standard" / "selective outrage" posture.

EDIT: Does pointing out hypocrisy amount to "deflection" in your world?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:55 PM
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88. Just to be clear...you believe supporters here
Are being hypocritical...not Hillary?

Compared to the whole Monsanto dust up where Edwards himself criticized Hillary...

Having said that, an endorsement is one thing...and if Mr. McClurkin had merely endorsed him I doubt this would have come up...no one expects (or should expect), every supporter to be perfect...no way we could win an election that way

However, Donnie McClurkin is a high profile entertainer that Obama is putting out there at a campaign event...so that he is getting heat is not surprising, nor necessarily unwarranted...

All one has to do is imagine if this exact situation had come up and the players were reversed and Hillary were the one putting Donnie McClurkin out there at a campaign event...

Blood in the water...and not just here, but in the MSM as well...

Frankly, my internet connection has been down for 2 days, and I had heard nothing about this until logging on here...so I suspect it is the usual DU tempest in a teapot...
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:06 PM
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89. Right.
Edited on Tue Oct-23-07 03:06 PM by jefferson_dem
This is not about Hillary - but her supporters on DU. You see much outrage over the fact that Obama has Donnie performing in one of his concerts. I AM NOT defending Obama, mind you. He clearly fucked up. My point with the OP is that all of the candidates have relationships with folks of questionable character --- even some who are outspoken bigots. That's the sad reality.

On a side note: That must've been a living hell to be without an internet connection. Mine went down over a weekend and I found myself camping out with my laptop at the local coffee house so I could at least feel connected to civilization.
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