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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:00 AM
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Mitt Romney wants to end "secularism."
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/19/romney-talks-christian-faith-to-values-voters/

"The effort to establish an anti-religion in America, the anti-religion of secularism, has got to come to an end. We are a nation under God, and we do place our trust in Him."
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:01 AM
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1. Gawd.
Pimps don't pander as much.
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:02 AM
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3. He would literally eat cow dung if it meant getting elected.
He will pander to ANY issue.

His positions are a complete 180 from his Mass. days.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:02 AM
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2. Geez, I'd like to end Romneyitis. That guy needs to go back to private life. The world doesn't
need Skeletor on the political stage.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:03 AM
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4. Does he want to abolish the entire Constitution ...
or just the First Amendment?
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:06 AM
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6. He wants to get elected; and will say ANYTHING it takes to do so.
He was a big supporter of abortion and gay rights like 4 years ago. His complete 180 on the issues is laughable. Maybe he thinks he can fool people. I don't know--or care. Any Democrat will crush this game show host freak.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:04 AM
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5. And when I told two people on Wednesday that my prime concerns are domestic
they looked at me like I was nuts.

This is *exactly* what I was talking about.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:09 AM
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7. Does anyone honestly take this guy seriously?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:27 AM
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8. I do.
Edited on Sat Oct-20-07 12:30 AM by Eric J in MN
He has a lot of money, and a chance of winning the Republican primary in Iowa.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:30 AM
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9. Yes
And that's the scary thing about it
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JenniferJuniper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 01:34 AM
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17. He's going to be the Republican nominee
in all likelihood, as the Ghoul is even more fatally flawed.

Not that this means anyone should take him seriously, of course.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 11:06 PM
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27. No he won't, he is simply for show.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 11:10 PM
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28. To show what? NT
NT
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 12:06 AM
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29. To show pretend candidates, to appease the audience, the choice has already been made.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:33 AM
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10. He should end his campaign
and go run as mayor of Kabul or Baghdad.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:34 AM
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11. If he doesn't like this country the way the Founding Fathers set it up,
he should get the fuck out.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:35 AM
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12. And that God lives in southeastern Missouri
or something like that.

Joseph Smith said it. I swear!
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:49 AM
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13. Mormon cosmology and "theology" are so convoluted that one can't keep track of where or which god
lives where. I seem to believe that Adam, who is now a god and Eve his godette lived in Eden outside of KC, but the god who created him and her along with his godette(s) live on a planet in the vicinity of the sun Kolob.

I lack my trusty seer stones and the urim and thummin for consultation at the moment and am a bit rusty in my "reformed heiroglyphics," so I can't consult the word of wisdom contained in the holy missing tablets.

I have to wonder, what do they feed that salamander they keep in the Temple in SLC. I email them regularly and they refuse to answer me, but if it stayed buried for so long along the plates, then I guess it doesn't get hungry very darn often.

Pardon me brothers and sisters, but I am going on a beer and cig run for my missionaries.
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JenniferJuniper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 01:31 AM
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16. Actually, God lives on a planet called Kolob
He may visit Missouri from time to time, I'm not sure, but his throne is on Kolob. They say it is quite Earth-like, although one day on Kolob is equal to 1000 years on Earth. Which is really great for minimizing wear and tear on the old magic underwear.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:59 AM
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14. Social conservatives are warming up to Romney more and more.
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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 01:26 AM
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15. Wassat the angel Moron(i) that told him that or is he thinking on his own
again?
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:00 AM
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18. Anti religion? Secularism is seperation of church and state
Lets see, the non secular nations of the world? The Saudis, the taliban. Even the Israelis arent stupid enough to have a church state.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 05:29 PM
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26. Yes. The concept of the First Amendment's religion clauses...
...is for the govt to neither promote nor hinder religion. That means secular government.
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:51 AM
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19. Come on!
Several of my family members bring this up from time to time, and I always ask them, "Okay, but which religion? Even if you're going to outright disregard the fact that some people in this country are not Christian, which branch of Christianity should things be based on? Old Testament Catholicism? Mainline Protestantism? Hippy Dippy Episcopalianism? How would you feel if the United States chose to base its entire system of government on a religion that wasn't YOURS? You know how you avoid questions like that? By following that part in the Constitution that has all those 'secular' words: 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.'"

Blank stare, subject change...
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ToeBot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:52 AM
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20. No surprise, the Mormons maintain that the founding fathers were channeling God himself...
Essentially creating a country to allow for the eventual establishment of the LDS church. They even go so far as to claim that the ghosts of the founding fathers appeared in a temple, asking to have their posthumous ordinances performed.
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Snarkturian Clone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 05:53 AM
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21. Jesus tapdancing Christ.
This guy has to be stopped. The only hope I have is that the fundies become afraid of him because he's a Mormon.
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Hawaii Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 09:57 AM
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22. I hate Mitt Romney & his statement
"The effort to establish an anti-religion in America, the anti-religion of secularism, has got to come to an end. We are a nation under God, and we do place our trust in Him."

should automatically disqualify him to be president....A scary guy, & I really think he would be worse than George Bush..
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arendt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 01:25 PM
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23. K & R'd and linked to in my thread.
We have to connect the dots ourselves. Because the corporate media sure as hell isn't going to do it for us.

Excellent post.

arendt
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 03:49 PM
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24. thanks NT
NT
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 03:53 PM
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25. Good grief...
And then they have the nerve to rail against Islamofascists?? This kind of talk is deeply disturbing.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 07:12 AM
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30. And the Unitarians started in Boston!!
I'm sure he'd condemn the Unitarian-Universalists to hell if he knew about them.

They were against slavery. And the first Unitarian, Michael Servetus of Transylvania, was lured to Geneva to debate John Calvin. John Calvin, Martin Luther and the Catholic Inquisition were all after him. He believed in One God, and was against infant baptism.


And John Calvin barbequed him at the stake in Geneva.

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