I find Thread about Nancy Pelosi being "public enemy number one" extremely disturbing on DU.

[calteacherguy]

This is the Democratic Speaker of the House; an important leader in our Party. There is nothing wrong with respectful criticism, but the unthinking hatred is beyond the pail. I'm not sure what this place represents. It seems to be becoming more and more like the FreeRepublic of the left, and that is unfortunate.

[zulchzulu]

1. It's not only disturbing, it's petulant, sophmoric and not worth commenting on

Some people need a basic civics class to understand constitutional government.

[movonne]

2. Go over to huffington post and see the comments written about

her..over 200 comments and none happy with her..so it is not only du doing this...

[rodeodance]

6. whatever----but she does NOT deserve the lable (public en.......)

[pnwmom]

8. It's not the fact of criticism here, it's the nasty tone.

And Huffington Post draws readers from a range of views, not all compatible with DU.

[robinlynne]

3. use ignore like we do for all the dlc threads which we find extremely disturbing.

[ruggerson]

9. but how do we vanish you Green Party people?

n/t

[John Q. Citizen]

51. Use ignore. You sound pretty upset. It's just not worth the heart ache you are all expressing all

time.

[CRH]

84. Become democrats again. ... nt

[ChairmanAgnostic]

87. er, us or Nancy? nt

[...of J.Temperance]

31. You're a Greenie, so why do YOU care, you're not a Democrat are you?

So it's none of your business then....your business is the Green Party, why do you care what the Democratic Party does?

[roguevalley]

48. because the leadership of the Dem party AFFECT all of us.

by the way, I'm a dem from a family of dems stretching back to Thomas Jefferson and I loathe her gutless punk stumbling around.

[...of J.Temperance]

52. Where does bashing Democrats come into that though?

This is called Democratic Underground, it's not called Democratic and Those Who Like To Bash Democrats Underground.

[John Q. Citizen]

54. You sound so hurt and angry. My heart goes out to you. Use ignore, it will help keep you sane.

[...of J.Temperance]

59. I'm not hurt and angry, but

Should Centrist Democrats have to put up with crap like this from this very thread, check it....we get told to LEAVE our OWN political party, post #53:

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3626176#3626341

Oh and the topic that this thread is about, the person who posted the thread "Nancy Pelosi, Public Enemy Number One", earlier tonight, I had to slap said poster in another thread, for comparing Nancy Pelosi to the Nazi Collaborator Marshall Petain, post #77....then again what am I supposed to expect from a Greenie with a Karl Marx avatar:

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3035495#3035736


On Edit: Forgot the post #....D'oh!

[John Q. Citizen]

64. Put them on ignor, hide the thread, or alert on them. Those are the options.

i'm a bit upset at Pelosi myself for a few reasons. but trying to single-handidly drive out the infidels is a losing stratedgy.

Did you read Skinners thread on the greatest page?

It contains some words of wisdom. And if you are in politics for any period of time, you learn that yes, centrist Democrats, leftists Democrats, right-wing Democrats, we all have to put up with crap like that all the time. It's the nature of the beast. If we let it get to us and let it piss us off, then we won't last long.

Politics should be fun. You just have to let it slide like water off a ducks back. Otherwise. what's the point of doing something that just constantly pisses us off?

Peace to you and yours, and I hope you don't take to much too personally.

[...of J.Temperance]

67. Of course you're correct

And so is Mr. Skinner.

Thank you :)

Peace to you and yours as well, you're a good fellow....I'm not taking it personally, it just baffles me more than anything.

[robinlynne]

77. born and raised democrat. but an active democrat. from several generations of democrats.

[rodeodance]

4. SO DO I. I have ignored them but they keep coming.

[ruggerson]

5. It should be locked

I guess there are no mods around.

The exact same thread was started in GD earlier today or yesterday and was immediately "disappeared."

[rodeodance]

7. what is "IT"?

[ruggerson]

10. the thread the OP is referring to

n/t

[partylessinOhio]

13. That is censorship and no better than * destroying the Constitution

and taking away our rights.

Pelosi has earned any criticism she is receiving.

[ruggerson]

14. This is a privately owned website

so your free speech argument holds no water.

[John Q. Citizen]

56. And don't you wish that you owned it? But you don't. So just breath deep and

please don't have a heart attack.

[havocmom]

19. Um, you don't have Constitutional Rights on someone's forum

Forum owner makes the rules.

[TwilightZone]

21. This is a private website.

No one has to guarantee you anything.

[...of J.Temperance]

34. Nonsense n/t

.

[...of J.Temperance]

25. I did make a comment in the thread

That the person who posted said thread, probably won't even understand.

Personally the thread should be deleted, it's pure hateful trash.

[tandot]

11. I've seen the same article posted several times just last week

usually by the same DUer and the same people cheering on.

It might be best to just use ignore. Let them have their own little hate-fest.

[Name removed]

12. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[partylessinOhio]

15. Madame Squeaker has made too much kissy face with GWB.

[calteacherguy]

17. Why don't go to the partyless underground? nt

[calteacherguy]

16. That's the kind of adolescent, petulant behavior I'm talking about.

It brings the whole place down. Green Party members attacking Democrats and the Party shouldn't be here; this isn't a place for them.

[fenriswolf]

26. when nancy

tell san fransisco natives that they are not her constiuents, then I will make fun of her. If when she assumes power she states impeachment is off the table, i will make funny faces at her. When nancy contineaus to allow bush to circumvent the rule law, i will poke fun at her and when nancy allows the neo concervative idology to run amok in the house unchecked i will hurl abusive verbal altercations at her. And if anyone doesnt like it they can close their ears because the freedom of speech is the only thing i have.

[calteacherguy]

32. In a sense, her constituents are beyond just S.F.

I believe her constituents in S.F. are overall bright and educated enough to understand that. She is speaker of the UNITED STATES House of Representatives. Of course, she faces re-election by her constituents in S.F. every two years, but being Speaker of the House is not the same as being, say Pete Stark from the S.F. eastbay. Pete Stark represents only his constituents in his district; Pelosi represents her constituents in her district as well, but more broadly the entire Democratic Party. In other words, she needs a big umbrella. That's what being Speaker of the House is, politically and constitutionally.

[fenriswolf]

35. well either way

the people camping outside of her home are her consituants.
and i still say *thmmmbbfffff (rasberry) to her

[calteacherguy]

39. That's' their right, but they are a small minority.

The majority of her constituents support her; if you doubt me, you'll have to wait until her landslide re-election next November.

[fenriswolf]

47. doesnt matter

those are still her constituants, and her actions do not make her invincable to mindless name calling which is at this point all i can do because the intelligent reponses and actions seem to do nothing to stop her from carrying water for the administration. you cannot censor my child like name calling.....

ps. neener neener.

[creeksneakers2]

75. I doubt most are from San Francisco

There was a thread here months back that called on Code Pink and Green Party members and others to join in an organized movement to get Nancy Pelosi in San Francisco. People came from all over.

[stimbox]

85. Um, she is our Congressperson first, then she is Speaker of the House.

She is failing us in both positions.

[mike_c]

80. dude, I've been a member of this community for a lot longer than you...

...so I REALLY don't need your judgment about whether I should be here or not. Read the rules.

Who We Are: Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office. Democratic Underground is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, and comments posted here are not representative of the Democratic Party or its candidates.

Emphasis is mine.

[TwilightZone]

18. Unless it's been reposted, I think it was locked.

[tandot]

24. It has been reposted

[TwilightZone]

27. Wonderful.

Time to work the ol' alert button again, methinks.

[...of J.Temperance]

41. I thought at first that thread was

One of those joke OP's....you know like how some post "Hillary Clinton admits: Yes I eat newborn babies for breakfast" or some such.

Then I clicked on the thread, and it was just nauseating.

[...of J.Temperance]

28. If it was deleted and has been reposted then

The repost needs deleting as well, in my humble opinion.

[tandot]

37. I agree. n/t

[...of J.Temperance]

42. As would all decent people I would hope :) n/t

.

[...of J.Temperance]

20. Word, it's TOTALLY in the realm of hysteria....you have another vote

I'm finding a lot of things posted at DU lately pretty disturbing....the sheer irrational hatred for certain Democrats, is really pissing me off.

[tandot]

22. Happy to give it the 5th recommendation

[Rowdyboy]

23. If I was upset by the idiotic, trolllish, Democratic bashing thread on DU I would have quit in 2002

shortly after joining. People ignore context, forget political reality and become obsessed that our guys must conform to their personal political standards 100% of the time. If they deviate, even on a small point, they must be branded "DLC" or "DINOs". Oooooohhhhhhh. Bad liberal, bad liberal.

Its pathetic, but its DU. Either get used to sophmoric criticisms of our best and brightest or fight back. I do when I'm motivated, but-after a few years-it gets a little boring defending Democrats on a Democratic board.

Here's a 6th vote, just because I like your post.

[...of J.Temperance]

36. The ACTUAL "DINO's" are the ones

Posting the crap like the "Nancy Pelosi, Public Enemy Number One" stuff....then again, I know for certain that a portion of that crowd have come here from "elsewhere" shall I say.

[Rowdyboy]

45. And a damn ugly website "elsewhere" is...I read it sometimes to remind myself

just how low humanity can stoop. Sickening. I can understand why they want to leave, but I wish they wouldn't try to peddle their garbage here.

[...of J.Temperance]

50. They are trying to DIVIDE us, we mustn't let them

You know, I'm pretty laid-back and I do try and be polite....but I swear some of the nasty crap, a lot of which is DOWNRIGHT slurs against a variety of Democrats....I swear, it's taking ALL of my resolve to keep myself from just TOTALLY getting out the 2 x 4 on some of the ones posting this crap.

[lastliberalintexas]

53. Who is this us, kemosabe?

Because I can tell you that anyone who self-identifies as an economic conservative does not belong in the party of Truman and FDR, what is supposed to be the Democratic party. Or am I being too nasty in pointing that out?

[...of J.Temperance]

58. Centrist Democrats are allowed in the Democratic Party

BTW, Harry S. Truman was a Centrist Democrat himself, not that I expected you to know that of course.

Dunno, Socialists and Greenies don't belong in the Democratic Party, considering the Democratic Party has NEVER been a Socialist or Greenie Party.

What about those who trumpet and cheerlead Cindy Sheehan and Code Pink when both are trashing Democrats....where would you say those people belong?

[lastliberalintexas]

61. Bullshit

Truman was an economic liberal, and far and away more progressive on racial issues than the majority of Dems at the time. Conservatives have tried to portray Harry S as one of them, but the facts speak for themselves.

Indeed, the Democratic party co-opted much of the US Socialist party's platform into its own, ran FDR and created the New Deal programs. The Alphabet Soup programs would be derided as Communism and Socialism today, and the DLC would be as adamantly opposed to those programs as the repubs. Clinton and the DLC did a pretty good job at one thing- dismantling much of the safety net from the New Deal and Great Society. Yay for your side.


I certainly don't control party membership, or else people who self-identify as CONSERVATIVES would not be allowed in. You might change your sig if you only want to be called centrist, rather than conservative.

[...of J.Temperance]

62. Oh shaddup and stop ranting

Nobody's listening to you.

You bore me, go away.

[lastliberalintexas]

65. Yes, very mature and completely ignoring actual issues

In other words, typical of most of the DLCers on this board. Thanks for the enlightening debate.

[...of J.Temperance]

66. You DON'T EVEN know what the heck a Centrist Democrat even IS, here's your ignorant comments

"I certainly don't control party membership, or else people who self-identify as CONSERVATIVES would not be allowed in. You might change your sig if you only want to be called centrist, rather than conservative."


LOL! Centrist Democrats AREN'T Conservatives....I might want to change my sig line if I only want to be called a Centrist, rather than a conservative?

You don't even KNOW what a Centrist EVEN IS!

Centrist Democrats are economically conservative and socially liberal....we believe in fiscal responsibility....I guess YOU DON'T believe in fiscal responsibility....congratulations, then you must like W and the GOP Congress from 2001-2006 because THEY didn't like fiscal responsibility either, as proven by them repeatedly going on deficit spending rampages, like a bunch of drunken sailors out on a credit card binge.

Centrist Democrat = economic conservative and social liberal.

Thank yourself lucky that I even BOTHERED to respond to your MASSIVELY ignorant post.

[lastliberalintexas]

68. Oh thank you for honoring me with a response

Fiscal responsibility does not equal fiscal conservatism, as you so incorrectly conflated the two. A centrist Dem is a *moderate* on most issues, not a conservative economically.

Perhaps you actually mean that you support fiscal responsiblity within an economic scheme which contains a progressive tax structure and social safety net policies like those supported by such evil Commie bastards as FDR, Truman, LBJ and Carter. But if what you mean by "economic conservative" is that you support the Al From ideal of cutting social spending while allowing the military budget to continue unfettered, then I'm sorry to tell you that those views are conservative, not centrist.


For the record, I supported Carter's zero line budgeting in order to cut spending on programs which had grown beyond their purpose, and I was a Tsongas supporter in 1992 primarily because he was fiscally responsible but still supported New Deal/Great Society programs. The one thing I actually liked about Bill Clinton was that he and the Dem controlled Congress voted for the first balanced budget in almost 30 years, without a single repub vote and by voting to *increase taxes on the wealthiest* among us. Oh the heresy! To expect the wealthy to pay their fair share of taxes. Because, you see, that is not a conservative economic viewpoint, since economic conservatives prefer to burden the middle class instead in order to free up capital.

Economic conservatives ignore labor issues and almost exclusively consider things from the supply perspective. Economic conservatives think that we will not face serious repercussions for manipulating the economy with monetray policy. Milton Friedman and Alan Greenspan are the ultimate examples of an economic conservative. So yes, I have a big problem with people who self-identify as "economic conservatives", unless you only mean to say that you support fiscal responsibility.

[...of J.Temperance]

69. I will

Respond to your comments after I've had a nap, I got distracted by something else.

Okay, now you've not bit my head off, like you did in your earlier comments, which I interpreted as you basically telling me to leave my OWN political party....now you've made a more calmer set of comments, then we might be able to find common ground on this.

[stuartrida]

29. Threads like that have made this place less appealing

There is a big difference between criticism and pointless bashing. I do not like the idea of a Hillary Clinton nomination, I do not like the idea of a Dennis Kucinich nomination, but I try to say so with out being as ugly and hateful about it as some of the Democrat haters around here. All that poster seems to do is run around and post Democrat bashes. Why does he come here anyway?

[bdamomma]

30. I think * and cheney are our enemies, cause apparently

they think we are their enemies, that is why they do not allow dissent and keep information away from us, and spy on us, what kind of shit is that? they are doing this right in front of our eyes, all they keep doing is bullshitting us all the time, they cry out terror and we keep on giving them our freedoms, let's wise up guys cause they have their plan in action, do we have our plan in action???

[Triana]

33. It's beyond the bucket too (n/t)

[durrrty libby]

38. Idiots abound

[rufus dog]

40. time for me to change party affiliation to Independent

Man I have to get to that next week.

[TwilightZone]

43. The new one seems to have been whacked.

Thanks to the mods. They truly have a difficult job.

[lastliberalintexas]

44. I noticed in that thread everyone focused on the term used to describe her,

rather than on her own statements. I guess it's because some people want to gloss over the fact that she is publicly attacking another elected Dem, one with as much right to speak in Congress as she has.

So, let me get this straight. Liberal Dems are supposed to be quiet, not rock the boat and support the party and our elected officials no matter what they say or do and no matter how conservative they may be acting. However, the DLC types and conservatives can criticize liberal members all they want, especially if they dare to go against Bush or Corporate America. Great, at least now I know the rules.

[calteacherguy]

46. Propriety is still relevant.

"Public enemy number one" is inappropriate if this site if for the support of Democrats. Also, Pelosi's comment about Stark's statement was completely appropriate in her role as Speaker of U.S. House of Representatives. As speaker, part of her role is to form coalitions. The kind of language Stark engaged in is language he of course has a right to engage in constitutionally, but Pelosi was correct in calling it inappropriate in her role as Speaker of the United States House of Representatives. Part of her job is to try and promote an atmosphere of civil discourse, not personal attack.

[lastliberalintexas]

49. I'm sorry, but are you really that naive?

"Part of her job is to try and promote an atmosphere of civil discourse, not personal attack."

The Speaker's job is to set the agenda, control the debate and block the opposition from bringing legislation to the floor. Perhaps graduation from the LBJ School of Politics should be a prerequisite for both party leaders AND members. And I don't mean the grad school at UT.

[creeksneakers2]

76. In our Congress?

Sounds more like a totalitarian parliament.

[babylonsister]

57. Can I have the link? The one I read about Pelosi and

'public enemy' came out prior to Stark's remarks. Was there another one?

[babylonsister]

55. I posted that thread a few days ago and hope it was published again.

Perhaps people didn't like the way it was presented, but I thought the shoe fit. I think many others did, too.

[FARAFIELD]

60. She is worthless,

She is speaker because People power and anti Iraq war people were voted in, and thats the fact. And she rebukes Pete Stark!?? she isnt fit to lick his shoes. Ill go you one better, I could replace her in a week at her job, buc she couldnt replace me, and you can take that to the bank. Shess better than having a repuke, but what good has she done, she is dismal her and Hoyer are lame.

[stillrockin]

63. Oh, it's beyond the "pail" all right.

There is nothing wrong with respectful criticism, but the unthinking hatred is beyond the pail.

You know what else is beyond the pale? The consistent failure of our Democratic leaders to stand up for the citizens that sent them to Washington. They are increasingly despised for their lack of courage and integrity. I am exhausted with their never ending handwringing and whining.

I am waiting for a reason to respect and defend them. You know whom I respect today? Senator Dodd and Representative Pete Stark. They are fighting the good fight. They are not cowering in a corner repeating the mantra, "We can't do anything. We don't have the votes", as if this could begin to excuse their unabated passivity in the face of the destruction of our democracy. We are neither stupid nor ill-informed.

[babylonsister]

70. Thank you! And you are so right!! nt

[AtomicKitten]

71. I feel your pain.

And I believe in free speech.

[Divine Discontent]

72. This thread changed my life... n/t

[antiimperialist]

73. DU moderators wants us to be politically correct

the problem is that we are not running for office, and we are not multimillionaire Politicians who are not angry about what Bush did to Iraqi victims, American soldiers, Katrina victims, people tortured without having been tried for a crime, etc.
this culture of sissyness has led John kerry to apologize for a joke that was misinterpreted, and condemn Moveon.org's ad on Betrayus.

[jmp]

74. How dare Democrats bash the leadership ...

That lies to them and betrays them?

The unwashed masses should be grateful that Nancy blesses them with her duplicity. :eyes:

[NoPasaran]

78. Wait! I thought Harry Reid was Public Enemy Number One

Damn this accursed dialup! I cannot keep up with the Fifth Column talking points.

[BootinUp]

79. Its childish, what more is there to say

people are too impatient, and angry to want to understand the limits of her power, and the political smarts that she has.

[cuke]

81. Reminscent of the Nuremberg Files

[applegrove]

82. Agreed.

[CRH]

83. I agree with you, that would take a leadership ability, ...

she so far has not displayed as Speaker of the House.

[BootinUp]

89. She seems to be leading

just not the way you want her to. Its a difference of opinion how to get there, like Skinner was talking about in his recent post.

[LWolf]

86. Hyperbole: "unthinking hatred."

I find it unacceptably disrespectful to assume, or to claim, that people who vehemently disagree with Nancy Pelosi are "unthinking."

I find calling "opposition to" or "vehement disagreement with" or "anger at" hatred to be fallacious.

[BootinUp]

90. I would tend to agree

the reason the OP posted was valid, the words he used there were inflammatory.

[Gman]

88. I didn't see that thread but

I'll bet my last dollar that same person never started a thread about Denny Hastert being public enemy #1 much less that ape in the Wh.

[Dewlso]

91. Could it be because she has become spineless?

I think the reason why people are not satisfied with Speaker Pelosi is because she has not stood up and led the way for Democrats as she should have from day one. She has become a very soft spoken and apparently middle of the road politician. She needs to grow a spine and stand up for ALL democrats and start doing something about the damage the repugnants did while they were in control. Speak Out Nancy and Speak Up!

[itsrobert]

92. beyond the "pail" or "pale"?

ho, ho, ho

[Auntie Bush]

93. You speak for me! Agreed 100%

It seems I think that every day now. What kind of a party/forum have we become?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

94. It's like republicans didn't even exist any more.

[Writer]

95. I think there are many backseat drivers in politics.

These people tend to judge the driver's actions without once having sat in the drivers' seat.

[AuntPatsy]

96. Disturbing no, wrong yes, its obvious how many are in front of her but

as she is in such a high ranking position for the Democratic party, she does need to be a bit more on board with what we the people not only want but need in order to regain some resemblance of control in our government once more.

I can only hope she is working more behind the scenes than we are aware of, I give her the benefit of the doubt but I hope my trust is not misplaced as it has been proven to be in the past.

[Hawkowl]

97. Pot meet kettle

Pelosi and Reid deserve every mean, nasty criticism they get. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES PUBLICLY CRITICIZING THEIR FELLOW DEMOCRATS! They are the one fighting to divide us! Idiots! Pelosi criticizing Stark for TELLING THE @!#$% TRUTH? Reid attacking Dodd for taking a moral, honorable stand to uphold the constitution?

Fuck Pelosi and Fuck Reid. If enough of us express our righteous anger towards them, they will either get an effing clue or they will be forced out of office. It's a win-win situation.