Reflecting upon the fact that Hillary Clinton is clearly our most electable candidate

[calteacherguy]

and the one Democrats, Independents, and yes even many Republicans (especially women) would most enthusiastically vote for, I have two words for the "conventional wisdom" here on DU:

Alternate. Universe.

[William769]

1. Really, your being to kind.

[Joe the Revelator]

2. Mission Accomplished Cal. nt

[William769]

15. And who started that BS? want to take a guess?

[Joe the Revelator]

20. This isn't a direct attack, but I don't understand a lot of your posts...

like they're too vague or something. Try to put your thoughts together a bit better.

[proud2BlibKansan]

3. Two words I am using to describe myself these days:

Former. Democrat.

[calteacherguy]

5. It's ironic.

Considering the fact that Hillary Clinton will bring more new Democrats (especially young women voters) into our party than any other candidate.

Still, sorry to see ya go...

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. Thanks cal

I am not leaving DU. The majority here share my progressive values. I just happen to find Hillary too supportive of the war. And that is the number one issue for me. I do think Hillary may bring some republicans over to vote for her; you are most likely right about that.

[rucky]

4. I was hoping for something smugger.

I guess I'll have to call my cousin Smugley for that.

[AX10]

6. What's this, positive comments about HRC on DemocraticUnderground.

Clearly you must be a freeper! :sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:

[evlbstrd]

7. Really?

Didn't get that memo.

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. Love that picture!

:rofl:

[evlbstrd]

13. Thanks!

I got it from Mabus. I now feel it's safe to enter HRC threads.

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. May I borrow it?

It's kind of like a vaccination.

[evlbstrd]

26. Go ahead.

It's very effective.

[Nutmegger]

24. OMG!!!

:spray::rofl::spray:

[Nedsdag]

32. Oh, what an awesome picture!

That kicks ass!

[evlbstrd]

34. Glad you like it.

[rufus dog]

8. Her numbers look great

From my own perspective I can't agree with the Alternate Universe! I just feel there are much better choices.

[ihelpu2see]

9. Again, no comprehensive poll of independants any link to these polls

of Republican women voting for Hillary. The last poll of New Hampshire Independants showed both Obama and Edwards polling very strong...

[zulchzulu]

10. Nothing like a heapin' helpin' of flamebait to have to wade through

Is that basil that you added to the flamebait before you served it...

:puke:

[William769]

16. And who would know flame bait better than you.

[TwilightZone]

14. DU is certainly not representative of Democrats, in general.

A recent Gallup poll showed that 81% of "liberal Democrats" had a favorable opinion of her. Maybe the other 19% are on DU.

[KoKo]

17. Help me here? HOW is Hillary the Most Electable Democrat?

All I see from Hillary Supporters is her "MACHINE" with Astroturfers parroting them.?

Give me WHY YOU ARE HERE ON DU...and WHY YOU SUPPORT HER!

Seems it's all Campaign stuff that I could get off her website...:shrug:

What are Hillary & Bill going to propose for their Next Go 'Round? Are they proposing to FIX THEIR MISTAKES from their last 8 Years? What WOULD THEY FIX that would make many Dems Vote for THEM, again?

You do understand that Progressive Dems and Independents are looking for something FRESH and NEW, other than the same old tired stuff back when Bill did his First Run and we were coming off Poppy and Reagan Before him!

Unless Hill/Bill have something NEW...I'd say ..."HEY! AMERICA HAS CHANGED ...what ARE YOU TWO GONNA' DO FOR US NOW!!!

:shrug:

[jmp]

19. Because she and the MSM say so. (nm)

...

[calteacherguy]

21. The key to electibility is ENTHUSIASM for the candidate!

http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=29050

[KoKo]

28. Do you REMEMBER THE DEANIACS! Some of us are STILL DEANIACS!

so....how is HILLARY SO ELECTABLE? :shrug:

[calteacherguy]

29. Dean was never ahead this much, this close to the first caucus and primary.

Also, the support for Dean was intense, but it was not far-reaching. Dean was a divider; Hillary Clinton will be uniter for our Party, and, eventually, the nation.

[rinsd]

23. I ran threads for all the candidate supporters.

You can find some reasons there.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3614351

Also in that OP are links to all the other candidate threads.

These threads are largely positive ones that range from policy support to just personal anecdotes.

And Hillary is the most electable Dem because she beats all the GOPers in national heats, she picks off some southern states while protecting our Northeastern flank from Rudy and she is not hamstrung by public financing for the primary so she will be able to fight the Wurlitzer when it starts to gear up in April.

[Colobo]

22. I disagree with your premise.

[calteacherguy]

25. Of course you do. nt

[regnaD kciN]

27. Two points...

1) You are providing no evidence that Hillary is indeed "our most electable candidate" beyond your own say-so. Unless you can provide poll results showing her consistently winning out over any and all Republicans by a greater margin than any of our other candidates, you are merely attempting to spin a meme rather than present anything remotely factual.

2) Even if you were to provide such evidence (which you haven't...and can't), it would not in itself be sufficient reason for someone unenthusiastic about her policies (War in Iraq! War in Iran! "No Insurance Company Left Behind" health care plan!) to abandon their qualms and jump on the "Hill's Shills" bandwagon. A strong case could be made, before Connecticut's primary last year, that Joe Lieberman was by far the most "electable" Democratic candidate for the Senate. Does that mean that Lamont supporters should have abandoned their campaign like a hot potato, at the risk of being "disloyal" to the Democratic Party?

Besides, "electability" is an amorphous concept at best. Almost four years ago, those of us at DU who supported other candidates were urged to get behind John Kerry, despite our misgivings over his IWR vote, because he was the "most electable" of those running. The spin got so thick, some of us began referring to Kerry as "Senator Electable." In any event, we did what was urged in 2004, and chose to go with the "most electable" candidate. That sure worked out great for us, didn't it? :crazy:

[calteacherguy]

30. I never believed Kerry was the most electable candidate; I thought he was a horrible choice.

A new poll puts another crimp in the Hillary-is-unelectable argument, finding that she's beating Rudy Giuliani in head-to-head matchups in the top three swing states.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/10/_poll_hillary_beating_rudy_in_all_top_three_swing_states.php

Despite rivals' efforts to portray her as too polarizing to win the general election, a clear majority of those surveyed, 57 percent, said Clinton is the Democratic candidate with the best chance on Nov. 4, 2008. The percentage saying Clinton has the best shot at winning is up 14 points since June. By contrast, 20 percent think Edwards is most electable and 16 percent think Obama is, numbers that represent a huge blow to the "electability" argument rivals have sought to use against her.

One of the central claims of Obama's campaign is that he is best suited to lower partisan tensions in Washington. But, in this poll, more see Clinton as best able to reduce partisanship.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/02/AR2007100202365.html?hpid=topnews

[illinoisprogressive]

31. I cannot wait to see Hillary go down in flames in Iowa!!!!

[calteacherguy]

33. That's going to be a really long wait. nt

[Divine Discontent]

35. This thread changed my life... n/t

[last_texas_dem]

36. "Clearly"

Obviously there would be nothing divisive about a Clinton candidacy, and she's without a doubt the strongest candidate we have against whatever candidate the Republicans nominate.

I guess I'll have to trust your views here as I'm thinking you have a lot more experience with this whole "alternate universe" thing than I do.

[Perry Logan]

37. Sadly, many of the folks at DU seem to have absolutely no pride, no moxie, and no spunk whatsoever.

You can almost see them waving the white flag at the Republicans, even as we prepare to kick their butts. It's absolutely pathetic. I wish they'd try Prozac.

[Alamom]

38. You certainly have a way with words..........(I luv this>>>)

As we prepare to kick their butts !

[Maribelle]

39. Succumbing to reactance ...

The model forming the foundation of neoconservatism heavily relies on disinformation as an integral conduit to power. Using "reverse psychology", relying on an informal awareness of reactance, attempts to influence someone to choose the opposite of what they appear to request.

Republicans have little hope in 2008 unless they become even more deceptive than before, if that's possible. In their comings and goings, Republicans are not to be believed about anything - - not one single thing. Everything must be viewed from the perspective that ulterior motives smolder beneath their faux souls.

[DemBones DemBones]

40. Uh huh. If you're so damn sure, why do you have to keep posting threads

about how she'll win in a landslide, blah, blah?